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Author Topic: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(  (Read 31846 times)

Offline prometei

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Hey every1, I've been reading this forum for a while now and finally have decided to post.

Today I glued the magnets to the skate wheel on my bedini energizer, hooked everthing up but it did not spin or anything.

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233874.jpg)

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233873.jpg)

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233875.jpg)

When I hooked up the primary or the secondary battery (don't remember which one first) for the first time to the circuit, the neon bulb had flashed. I gave the wheel a spin and nothing happened, I checked all the connections again, reconnected everything, (neon bulb did not flash this time) tried again and still nothing. Then I just took the battery and hooked it up directly to the power coil with a switch in between and the neon bulb to the trigger coil.

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233870.jpg)

When I was pressing the switch the wheel was turning 45-90 degrees, so the magnetic fields were OK, as I was releasing the switch the kickback spark was lighting the neon bulb trough the trigger coil, so bassically it is not a problem of the coils or wrong magnetic polarity, or at least it looks like that to me.

Maybe I fried the transistor 2n3055 when I was soldering one end of the neon bulb to the collector, it did not want to stick so I had to keep the soldering iron longer on the end of the neon bulb and the collector then I probably should have.

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233872.jpg)

I'm also using a IN4007 diode instead of a IN4001.

The power coil is wound with 0.6mm copper wire, the trigger coil with 0.4mm copper wire, approximately 1000 turns on a 8 cm long 1 cm wide PVC pipe with four thick welding rods inside.
I tried the set up with two 6 volt and two 12 volt lead acid batteries.

I'm linking pics of my energizer and the schematic on which it is based (i omitted the small 25ma bulb).

(http://photofile.ru/photo/infinaut.frontru/135016581/large/135233965.jpg)

Thanks for any help !

p.s. I'm going to order some magnetite powder (Fe3O4) and some regular iron powder to use instead of the welding rods.

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Offline Feynman

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2008, 12:39:18 AM »
Hi!  Nice looking motor!

Okay, so the first thing I would do is try to get the thing working in "standard motor" form.  Just use one of your coils, and use this schematic.

http://www.simplemotor.com/hemotor.htm

(http://www.simplemotor.com/images/HEMotor-1.gif)

If you can get the thing to spin, then the problem is in your Bedini circuit. If it doesn't spin, its your coil or your motor.   Btw, One thing I noticed with the skate bearings is that they are not nearly as good as ceramic bearings, even ABEC-9 skate bearings.  But ymmv.  Also your power transistor might be bad, could be a good idea to test that as well.


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 01:31:20 AM »
Hi prometei

Looks cool !

3 things;

1 - ALWAYS have your secondary battery connected. If you don't and your neon flashes you will damage your 2n3055 transistor. If you bought the transistors on Ebay there is are chance they are fake and will damage even quicker  :(
2 - Check your potentiometer resistance. It looks like your using a 1/2 watt pot. I have blown two 2watt pots in the past using exactly the same circuit and winding wire diameters.
3 - Completely fill your core with welding rods. In picture 2 it looks like you have some large gaps. Any copper coated mild steel welding rods will do for learning

Here is my first youtube vid, you will recognise the circuit diagram http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yenJtDzogiE

One other thing, It is better to have magnets that, at least, are the width of your coil.

Other than that, chin up old bean. You have just started down a VERY exciting path.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 01:31:20 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2008, 03:53:56 AM »
BOURNE thanks for the video  I'm very Impressed   Chet

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 04:12:38 AM »
thats a sweet vid , im very tempted to build one my self.

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2008, 12:09:25 PM »
Feynman , I don't have a hall ic, I'll drop by the local electronics supply store and see if they have some.

bourne

1. I've bought the transistor in a shop, not eBay. How would one test a 2n3055 transistor with a multimeter?

2. I've just checked the potentiometer with the 100 ohm resistor and they work, I can adjust the resistance from 102 ohms to 1094 ohms.

3. I'm going to go to the hardware store to get these thin copper coated welding rods.

my coil is 14mm in diameter and the magnets are 12 mm in diameter, is that ok?
Otherwise I'll have to order magnets trough eBay cause in my small town I could not find any store that sells proper magnets for the SSG.



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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 03:36:24 PM »
@prometei

You can get Hall IC from

http://simplemotor.com

They usually don't have Hall IC at radioshack, but you could get a reed switch from radioshack.  Sounds bourne has alot of good info.

@bourne

great song on the vid  ;)

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 04:31:46 PM »
.....
1. I've bought the transistor in a shop, not eBay. How would one test a 2n3055 transistor with a multimeter?
.....

Hi,

Here are two links for testing your transistor if it is a short or open circuit:
this is a shorter description: http://www.anatekcorp.com/qdmmvom.htm
this includes much more info on different type semiconductor testings:
http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/semitest.htm

The latter link includes a tablet on TIP3055 transistor which is identical to your 2N3055 (except the case):

This has been confirmed below on a selection of common transistors using an El-cheapo DMM:

     Transistor       B-C Voltage     B-E Voltage
   --------------------------------------------------
       TIP3055           0.640           0.642
       TIP2955           0.668           0.668
       BD140             0.697           0.699
       2N2369A          0.682           0.710
       PN3563            0.752           0.753
       BC108              0.715           0.716

CAUTION: Do not hold the transistor under test in your hand. For every degree the transistor increases in tempreture, the Base-Emitter Diode Drop (commonly called Vbe) decreases by 2 mV. This is a significant amount when determining the B-E and B-C junctions.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 05:56:14 PM »

Hi Prometei,

Nice 'motor'.
Two thoughts:
1) On your picture the gap between the rotor's magnets and the coil looks too large, IMHO.
2) Perhaps the magnets are also too weak.

This SSG 'motor' did not work (even with a very small gap) until I 'doubled' the ferrite magnets:
(http://freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG3_Small.jpg)

Best

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 06:42:42 PM »
Hi Prometei,

Hows it going?

I didn't explain myself very clearly in my last post, it was getting late, so to clarify;

1 - This was pointed out in Bedini Yahoo group http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_Monopole3/ as a Potential problem, if you bought them from a shop it should be nothing to worry about. I know I have seen a table showing what you should see when testing the transistor with a digital multi-meter (diode test setting), but can't for the life of me remember where. It might be in this group somewhere, it might not.
If I get time I will test one of my spares and post the results

2 - The way I damaged my 2watt pots was by adjusting the resistance too fast while the motor was running. i.e. sweeping the pot from high res to low res in 1 - 2 seconds. It's best to adjust it a tiny amount at a time and let the motor react to the new resistance.

3 - Lincoln R60 welding rods are what Mr Bedini suggests to use but I couldn't get them anywhere in Britain, so after about a week of searching  I ordered some copper coated welding rods from a welding supply on Ebay. They work fine it seems!

I must of spent a couple of months reading and researching everything I could find about the Bedini machine while I was slowly getting the bits together to build it. My wound coil was sitting on my shelf for 4 weeks while I sourced my wheel, magnets and components

Here are a few links to read through;

http://www.fight-4-truth.com/Schematics.html (Very good)
http://www.dennissharp.com/ssg/index.html
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG (read everything here)

Big boys group!
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Bedini_SG/

This is a very good forum with advise from Peter Lindemann!
http://energeticforum.com/ I strongly suggest you sign up

That should keep you busy for a while  ;D



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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2008, 06:59:02 PM »
@ NerzhDishual

Good points. Even my 50mm x 20mm x 6mm magnets are double stacked

Coil length shouldn't matter that much if the core is packed full of rods. I would say it is more important to have the magnets (at least) the width of your coil not just the core

@ Everyone

I am glad you liked my video  :)


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2008, 07:09:50 PM »
@bourne
Yes the video is fine. When comes the next one?

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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2008, 09:31:18 PM »
Does this make sense?

RS components Ltd(UK) part number 486-4476
2N3055 silicon Epitaxial-base planer NPN transistor mounted in jedec TO-3 metal case

measured using sky-tronic digital multi-meter set on diode/continuity test setting

   PIN
    1            BASE              RED     BLACK      RED     BLACK      -             -
  TAB      COLLECTOR          -            -           BLACK    RED     RED     BLACK
   2         EMITTER           BLACK    RED           -             -       BLACK      RED

APPROX READING            595         -              595          -           -             -     

I hope this helps.

Here is my other youtube video http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=abJuStUv4K8

Enjoy  :)


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2008, 11:26:12 PM »

@Bourne

Double staking the magnets must improve the 'efficiency' (COP) of the SSG but is not always essential to get it 'turning'.
I have 2 others SSGs with 'single' magnets :
http://freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG1.jpg
http://freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG2.jpg

Are they 'OU'? That is the question. ???
They can charge the output bat(s) = the voltage is increasing. But, according to some swap tests they are not 'obviously OU' .
I'm not criticizing Bedini but me! :)

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@Prometei

May I suggest you these tests :
(http://freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG_Test_1.GIF)
(http://freenrg.info/Bedini/Replications/SSG_Test_2.GIF)


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Re: just finished my first bedini energizer and already problems :(
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2008, 02:21:39 PM »
Hey folks thanks for all the help. I've tested all of the electronic components and they are fine, I even bought a new transistor, my SSG still does not work. I've replased the 4 thick welding rods with thin copper coated rods. A couple of minutes ago I did the Bedini SSG test #2 (posted by NerzhDishual) and I've only gotten 12 milivolts, this to me shows that the magnets are way to weak, am I right?
So now my next step is to order wider and stronger magnets, I wish I knew about this b4 I spent 20 euros on the tiny magnets I now have. Should I order rectangle or round magnets?


« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 03:59:54 PM by prometei »

 

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