what i dont understand is how and why the bastards get to stay in power , it seems like the ppl of usa WANT to be dicked over, /shrug.

FNORD!

I always though the people who lived in germany during ww2 must have been evil, because look at who they chose to lead them, and what they allowed to happen.

Now I am living in a country that does the same things, and I understand better the divide between society and statehood.

A states power is granted by the people, for the people, but is rarely maintained as such.

Anytime the issue of national security vs public security arises, public security should be the priority, by definition. States that enact laws to protect itself from its public, are blatantly admitting they no longer exist to serve their public. The plus side to this, is that any time an empire turns against its people, it is doomed to fall. Soon the hurtfull nature of my country's government will have passed. As an american, I apologize for the actions being committed by people who are meant to represent me. They do not represent me, my will as an american is meaningless and powerless in politics in america. Our political system has been purchased and contained, our system of representative government, represents only the wealthy. Any individual or group who has risen to oppose the system, has been silenced one way or another.

The us government has set up concentration camps to round up dissidents. What would the world community have us do, as american citizens? Do you really think if the us government was absolved tomorrow, that all the world corruption problems would cease to exist? Do you believe that the people who were pulling the string to cause these events, are directly involved in any government? The system of control is more easily traceable to wealth than nationalism. As a society, is it necessary for us to point fingers and call to justice those who oppress us?

Is it more important for the slave to seek justice against its master, or to run for a free life?

My choice: Run for a free life. I do what i can to be helpful to everyone without directly involving myself in something that will get me killed. My goal is to leave earth (physically, and alive) before the shit really hits the fan, or failing that, to at least have done what I could, to be helpful to those around me.

The same power structure exists over the globe borg...with the only distinction being potential and opportunity.

The nature of man is nothing if not consistent.

Regards...

i understand what your saying , its the same no matter where you live , a system needs to be developed where governments are held accountable for there actions and real penalties are given not just a smack on the hand and in the next election there back screwing the ppl over.

I agree with SeanThelight and b0rg13.
Let's build a spaceship and split.
I used to say I want to go live on Gilligan's Island, but that's to close.
we need a Gilligan's Planet, with Orion slave girls....

lol wait on i didnt say i wanted to leave the planet, BUT,...in saying that, i would if i could, have i thought about it ?,yes i have, it would be a great adventure, but RE out planet and the ppl runing it, id like to see a system put in place that if secrets are being kept and not let out into the public there ppl are jailed or even put down,this way it will send a message to our so called rulers that there NOT the rulers at all, we the public are,for once id like to see the Gov do the right thing and yes while im sure many of you can point out several instance of them doing the right thing you be sure it will be to aid them more then us.

hmmm so lets see about a space ship, whos got plans?  ,

People around the world cannot claim ignorance of what is going on around them, specifically what their governments do. Ultimately people have power to change anything they do not like but there is an overall feeling of apathy which is the cause of what has been going on for centuries. Lack of caring for fellow human beings or caring in general is running us into the ground, if we aren't already grinding the bottom as it is.
Coupled with lack of caring is the docility and general desensitization to issues that truly concern everyone. It is a rather difficult situation because majority of this planet has no time to stop and smell the roses - they are preoccupied with making the ends meet and stay alive. Basically an ideal situation for our "overlords" to thrive and run rampant. A few who say things here and there are not sufficient enough to create the critical mass of change and they are mostly marginalized, ridiculed, quietly bought out or removed.

Bill Cooper's role in this whole game of cat and mouse is still not clear to me. Was he a genuine whistle blower or was he given fake documents and fed lies, or was he a psy-ops agent on an assignment. Like in any situation the issue is polarized and there are those who support what he was saying and those who state he was a plant/fake. Either way it is important to step back and look at the bigger picture because our "overlords" are the ones who create these polarized issues because it distracts people from digging deeper and getting closer to them and/or the truth about it. The old "divide and conquer" applies here so well...

Perhaps Cooper's accounts are echoed because the same disinformation is regurgitated over and over again - the parrot syndrome.

People vote but it makes no difference when outcomes are pre-determined, it only gives them a fake sense of being in charge when they are not. Remember what I said about polarizing issues, voting is a prime example where two sides are heavily polarized and people become quite passionate about their political parties.