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Title: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on March 16, 2008, 06:01:22 PM


      When a voltage is first applied to a circuit there is flow of energy that folks here call the kick. What is going on is that electrical CHARGE is on the move. This is a massless  migration of potential energy from point a to point b.  The magnetic field of the Earth arranges atoms within a conductor in a certain fashion.  A conductor without any other magnetic influence other than the Earth's field becomes a magnetic crystal.  The kick potential energy will flow through this crystal in a predetermined path dependent on the electron proton dispersion within the conductor.  The magnetic field of the Earth is pulsating resulting in a redistribution of electron proton charges within the conductor.  The kick potential energy will therefore have to travel in response to this reordering of the electrons (the reordering a consequence of the Earth magnetic field change).  So the potential energy now flows according to the Earth frequency, or traces out the low frequency input within the conductor. 
    At some point in time the electrons which are feeling the pressure of the charge input will begin to actually move and form a kinetic energy flow in response to the charge input. This movement of a charge carrier will result in inertial absorption of the charge input by the conductor electron mass and the kick potential energy flow will cease.  By timing the input pulse so that it's rise time is high and it's duty cycle is  is very low (how long the charge is there)  a directional flow of potential energy at very low frequency can be achieved.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: turbo on March 16, 2008, 09:36:05 PM
A certain person has once explained the kick is a result from the initial inertia of the electrons.

Is that what you mean with inertial absorption?

M.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on March 17, 2008, 12:40:28 AM
A certain person has once explained the kick is a result from the initial inertia of the electrons.

Is that what you mean with inertial absorption?

M.

     By inertial absorption of the potential energy pulse I meant that the charge pressure would be absorbed by the electrons whose inertia is not in the direction of the pulse potential. hmmmmmmm.  Your guy saw it the other way as the pulse adding inertia to the electrons whose direction was complimentry to the pulse.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 17, 2008, 12:48:37 AM
HI

@SPARK  i thing you are good phisic  you haveait   i like to ask something did you traed to make somEthing    we all  said this that and  hmmm  but still nothing   ;D  <<<HI <marco>>>>
 and ather all we here  is  like to make  t.p.u   as  <<<s.m>>  but  whereis  tpu

AND  S.M  IS BEST  ENGENRIRING MAN    HO WHANT TO SAFE  OUR PLANET OF  SELF DISTROKTIONS   THANKS  <,S.M>>  YOU ARE THE BRILIANT MAN

all we here  people  mast  find  way  to explore his tpu to search   what is the basicly meaning how is made  and how is forking   that i thing s.m  is  speaks  whit his  old  video clips     
EVERY THING  <<S.M>>  IS TOLD AS   IS TRUE  WHIT HIS 3 VIDEO CLIPS 
BUT  WHIT SECRET  WORDS INSAID  IN HIS  SPEAKS

FOR  TPU   I HAVE ALL TIME  TOLD HERE  IS MANY WAYS  TO MAKE TO MOVE THE  THIS  SMALL  ELKTRONES  IN THE  EVERY SIMPLE  WIRE  BT  WE MAST FIND  THE  HO WAY  WE  TAKEN  OHHHHHHH   
@SPARK  DONT  EXPLANE  WHIT WORDS  MANY PEOPLE HERE  IS DONT ANDERSTEND  WAHT YOU ARE SAYING   IS LITLE  OF  AS IS ANDERTSEND  THE  ELEKTRIC   AND  ELKTRONICS   
I  KNOW WHERY WHELL  ELKTRONICS  AND  I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT  WHAT IS YOUR  POINT HERE  <NOTHING>.MAKE SOME VIDEO  AND  TO SE WHAT YOU HAVE PUT INSAID YOUR TPU    <<WHAT OF  KIND OF YOUR  PHISICS YUO CAN  BE THERE  >> ;)
I LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING  OK  @spark  dont be angry to me  ,,,still  i m your  friend 
i pushing  this theory out said  to open  for  practical way <<WE KNOW   MANY 1000   OF THEORY  BUT ITS STIL  NOTHING
<<S.M>>  YOU ARE THE BEST   YOU  ARE  SAID  GOLDEN WORDS   BUT  WE DONT  SEE THIS 
WE ARE   ::) ;) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: zapnic on March 20, 2008, 09:02:13 PM
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Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on March 23, 2008, 06:09:16 PM
    I posted the below in a political thread so I'm going to move it over here cause that one is heating up. :P

The input energy of the kick adds inertia to the electrons that are responding to the aetheric  wave traversing the conductor.  These electrons now are seperated from Earth's angular momentum (spin inertia) and are responding to the aetheric wave the Earth warps continously.   They are on their own relative to the rest of the conductor mass that remains in Earth's inertial field.
The rest of the conductor mass progresses through space time in inertial fields quite different than the electrons in the aetheric inertial frame.  This results in charge seperation because the copper ions want the electrons back.  The electrons that joined the aetheric inertial frame are both time and space displaced relative to the rest of the conductor.  They stayed on board the aetheric train, took a ride and stretched the elastic tether holding them to the conductor neuclei.  The Coriolus force brings the aetheric electrons back into the mass of the conductor in a predictable velocity path.
    So our kick energy input is just to seperate  the electrons on the aether train from those that are not.  It does not push them around the torroid coil by inducing a voltage.  The aether supplied us with the emf by taking the seperated electrons for a ride relative to the rest of the mass that stayed with the Earth inertial field.

     I need to thank Marco for his work regarding the Coriolus force and investigation into the vertical component of the near magnetic field of Earth.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 03:23:51 AM
magnetic fields affect moving charges, eg. electrons

- skin effect
- drift current/velocity
- conduction electrons exposed to an abrupt potential difference in the presence of a static magnetic field

some astute may be able to see a connection here....maybe?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: infringer on April 13, 2008, 04:05:12 AM
Poynt99 you are talking plain english... besides I'd rather be a horse then a sheep!

Skin effect skipping a stone across the water I presume...

The skin effect exsits permanantly.

The current/velocity that the water is traveling at if the stone is skipped right could project the stone further or less distance depending on the direction.

Conduction would be when there is one rock being dropped in the water creating waves and depending how you hit the waves the stone jumps higher further or sometimes less depending upon where it lands on the ripples

So using all these effects we must achive a condition for which we can keep this rock moving by dropping more rocks in the water or speeding the current of the water up or making the skin more eleastic or solid...

??? cant thing of another analogy really lol maybe one is not needed ...

The crazy thing about all this is the more and more Iook at this we are essintially trying to solve the problem of unstable nuclear fusion rather then fission... Yikes this could take an awful lot of brain power trying to keep a stable vortex from collapsing...
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 13, 2008, 04:43:06 AM
As long as you depend on particles, you won't get very far.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: infringer on April 13, 2008, 05:12:04 AM
@grumpy
So essintailly the main component to manipulate here is what magnetic flux.

Manipulation in magnetic flux again is done either with degausing coils or circuits this is the only time I really hear/feel kicks other then in generators...

Grumpy I wish you would place your theory on what we are trying to accomplish...

As well as possibly a design that you would use to achive the theory you seem like a smart guy just tired of all the random speculation... And false positives possibly IDK man I obviously havent been around OU.com for the duration like you may have so I have not been able to see some of your more informative posts.

But I suppose this one is a better start then none. Thanks Grumpy



@SPARKS

Kicks examples I vision when it comes to tesla:

When a person rubs there feet across the floor then touches you on the back of the neck. That instant release of energy bamb.
When a storm builds up tons of static energy and discharges it as energy
There is many other most of them have to do with high voltage low current being discharged.

seeing as how this is about kicks it is possible these kicks can come in differnt forms.

Again I wish I knew just what it was in plain english we are trying to accomplish to reproduce a working unit. If you have a theory or design based upon a theory that is sound I wish you would post it as well.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 05:37:20 AM
Poynt99 you are talking plain english... besides I'd rather be a horse then a sheep!
;D I'm trying to set an example

anyway, all due respect grumpy, but electron flow is involved in at least one step along the way, and this thread is about the test SM explained we need to do to discover the secret.

@infringer

at least you tried, doubt if any others will.

it has more to do with the events that happen with the test. the kick is a slight increase in current, and a slight movement in the wire. The movement is straight forward, the increase in current is not so easy. Current results in flux. Think about the sequence of events. The key elements are in my last post.

spherics mentioned two ways to create a kick, SM mentioned yet another. all 3 methods apparently yield an increase in the mag field. i personally can't explain for sure what spherics was trying to say, and no one else has been able to yet.

any takers?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 13, 2008, 06:20:20 AM
@grumpy
So essintailly the main component to manipulate here is what magnetic flux.

Manipulation in magnetic flux again is done either with degausing coils or circuits this is the only time I really hear/feel kicks other then in generators...

Grumpy I wish you would place your theory on what we are trying to accomplish...

As well as possibly a design that you would use to achive the theory you seem like a smart guy just tired of all the random speculation... And false positives possibly IDK man I obviously havent been around OU.com for the duration like you may have so I have not been able to see some of your more informative posts.

But I suppose this one is a better start then none. Thanks Grumpy

Dielectric flux - not magnetic flux - at least this is what Eric Dollard called it.  His theory is available in his books.

As fr designs - the designs of Eric Dollard, Richard Hull, and Tesla are readily available.  RH persued long sparks so this is not really what we want but a good load of info on a take of Tesla's work.

I have deleted most of my posts - to the dismay of many - just something I feel the need to do periodically.

Poynt99 you are talking plain english... besides I'd rather be a horse then a sheep!
anyway, all due respect grumpy, but electron flow is involved in at least one step along the way, and this thread is about the test SM explained we need to do to discover the secret.

@infringer

at least you tried, doubt if any others will.

it has more to do with the events that happen with the test. the kick is a slight increase in current, and a slight movement in the wire. The movement is straight forward, the increase in current is not so easy. Current results in flux. Think about the sequence of events. The key elements are in my last post.

spherics mentioned two ways to create a kick, SM mentioned yet another. all 3 methods apparently yield an increase in the mag field. i personally can't explain for sure what spherics was trying to say, and no one else has been able to yet.

any takers?

It does not matter Christ himself told you to stand on your head to know the secret, if you can not see it , then you can not see it.

How is the "kick" an increase in current when it is detected on an Oscope which measures voltage?

EDIT:
Didn't SM say that the only difference between Tesla's technology and his was that he (SM) fed a small amount back into the circuit?  Yet everyone is running in a circle...
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 06:34:44 AM
How is the "kick" an increase in current when it is detected on an Oscope which measures voltage?

Are they not directly related?

mag fields (magnetic flux) result from current. spheric talks about a COMP field which for all intents and purposes (paraphrasing him), is an increased magnetic field due to the bifilar coil and topology.

SM clues us in twice that the kick is really and increase in current. he also alludes to the movement.

so I don't see where the confusion is?... it's easier to measure a voltage than a current, esp. for most people. no doubt spherics said use a scope to measure the coil voltage for this reason.

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Didn't SM say that the only difference between Tesla's technology and his was that he (SM) fed a small amount back into the circuit?
I don't know if SM said that or not. paste it here if he did pls. are you saying that the TPU is RE-based?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 13, 2008, 06:45:00 AM
   I believe that the kick creates a fleeting scalar wave where the voltage and magnetic field are propogated in geometric unity.  This field stands still in space.
The rest of the Earth just keeps on truckin and whatever is nearby collides with it.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 13, 2008, 09:44:57 AM
Sorry to repeat it again, but why not take acoustics into consideration? Electric spike strikes atomic lattice. This is called phonon interaction. Phonons are slow: 3800m/s in copper. While electrons are fast (50000km/s). What does that mean? It means that there are a lot of phonon (pressure) non-equilibriums (singularities) appear in the copper's lattice. These non-equilibriums have to be "dissolved" and until they dissolve as impact waves, there is what I call a DC acoustic wave formation exists. This formation is what produces gravity/anti-gravity gradient that at the same time represents a potential gradient for charges, which is seen as "sine wave segments" on the o-scope in Otto's work.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 03:04:41 PM
the speed of sound through copper is 3800 m/s. what speed are you referring to with electrons and 50000 km/s?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 13, 2008, 04:37:37 PM
the speed of sound through copper is 3800 m/s. what speed are you referring to with electrons and 50000 km/s?

Atomic lattice phonons travel at 3800m/s, that's why any phonon non-equilibrium is dissolved slowly. Electrons in potential field travel much faster - well, maybe slower than 50000km/s, but should be close to that number.

Also, are you aware that modern science accepts existence of Copper pairs meaning two electrons that travel at equal velocity bounce phonons between each other? This is how superconductivity is described on micro level. Well, this is a stupid explanation because phonons should lead to repelling (due to excessive pressure between bodies), but what if in Copper pairs a local gravity is created that sticks electrons together?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: z_p_e on April 13, 2008, 05:54:14 PM
sorry..change my mind
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 06:44:46 PM
are you sure cooper pairs would only have repulsion between them? why couldn't they alternate between attraction and repulsion due to high and low pressure changes?

double-check your electron speed through copper, it's many magnitudes slower
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 13, 2008, 07:07:13 PM
are you sure cooper pairs would only have repulsion between them? why couldn't they alternate between attraction and repulsion due to high and low pressure changes?

They'll alternate only if they form a system in the first place (like an atomic lattice). And it is exactly where existence of 'gravity' is necessary in the equation. Generally, electron's electrostatic field repels other electrons.

double-check your electron speed through copper, it's many magnitudes slower
So, you really think electrons move at a speed of 0.00024 m/sec in copper (for about 1.5A, 0.5mm2)? Unfortunately, this is a deduction from a model, there is no real measured electron speeds in copper available to my knowledge.

In either case, if electron speeds are unsatisfactory to you, it is absolutely possible to change them to EM waves. There is a known effect exists called 'pressure of light', which means that EM waves can excitate phonons. This is even more important as theory exists for such interaction. The pressure scales as the fourth power of solid's temperature which interacts with EM waves. This may be in concordance with Otto's circuit's observed behavior that his circuit starts to 'kick' when MOSFET heaters achieve a certain temperature.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 13, 2008, 07:54:34 PM
   The pulse energy does not have to navigate the atomic lattice.  The MOLECULAR structuring of the conductor allows for overlap of the valence orbitals with the conduction band.  This overlap creates an electron cloud.  The pulse potential can travel through this cloud much faster than if it had to travel from atom to atom.  This electron cloud may have some sticky electron pairing due to magnetic dipole moment relations,  Snowflakes. :)  I believe that the electrons in this conduction band are influenced by the ambient magnetic field.  Their lack of an electric dipole moment causes them to align their magnetic dipole moment with the ambient magnetic field.  When a voltage gradient is applied to this magnetically structered ELECTRON lattice there is a scalar wave produced.  The electrons travel in a response to the applied voltage with aligned magnetic dipole moments.  The magnetic and electric fields surrounding the conductor are changing in a unified manner.
   It can be seen that this is only going to go on until the electron cloud is depleted and the voltage starts to go to work on the sub-valence energy shells.  This is the ordinary response of a conductor to impressed voltage. The atomic lattice itself will be responding to the impressed voltage with all sorts of electric dipole  and magnetic dipole moments of the neucleus and electrons getting into the play.
   I don't believe this kick phenomenon is the scource of OU.  It is just the production of a scalar wave energy field.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 08:51:03 PM
So, you really think electrons move at a speed of 0.00024 m/sec in copper (for about 1.5A, 0.5mm2)? Unfortunately, this is a deduction from a model, there is no real measured electron speeds in copper available to my knowledge.

electron sharing is the basis for chemical reactions, it works, and makes perfect sense in metallic conductors as well. how can you throw this out so quickly when there have been no other explanations to cover how electron flow behaves? Tom Bearden subscribes to this and he's a nuclear physicist, and proponent of free energy.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 13, 2008, 09:04:42 PM
electron sharing is the basis for chemical reactions, it works, and makes perfect sense in metallic conductors as well. how can you throw this out so quickly when there have been no other explanations to cover how electron flow behaves? Tom Bearden subscribes to this and he's a nuclear physicist, and proponent of free energy.
Well, let's forget about it. I have collision theory, electron sharing has nothing to do with electric current in my opinion since electric current is based on free electrons where as electron sharing is based on ions with ions being something 'stable'. There is of course ionic electric current available, but then again - why not see moving ions interacting with free electrons? This will be also leading to collisions, and ions themselves will react on potentials hence working as charged particles.

Let's not beat a dead horse if you will. So, continuing, what are you objections about EM waves in this scenario?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 13, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
the idea of electron sharing is the exchange of electrons.

electrons are given up and gained in a daisy-chain fashion. these are the free electrons, the conduction electrons I am talking about.

electrons boiled off a hot filament are a different story, and so in this case they do travel quite fast, depending on the voltage gradient. particle acceleration.

what you mean by changing electrons to EM waves, in what context?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 08:48:16 AM
what you mean by changing electrons to EM waves, in what context?
In context of phonon excitation. Fast EM waves, slow phonons -> a lot of powerful phonon non-equilibriums.

Well, you probably know much and you will by all means try to prove there is no such thing as DC acoustic wave possible and you are talking that TPUs are no overunity, so your words in this context may not be of much value after all. Just be warned - there is no need to spend your valuable time proving I'm fool knowing nothing.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 01:54:25 PM
       A conductor shares electrons to fill it's outer valence shell.  All the good conductors are looking for 7 electrons to become noble.  Electron pairing is now a problem.  This leaves an electron pair with one of the electrons only weakly attracted to the atomic lattice.  These electrons are the ones that it is easy to play with.  Magnetically and electrically.  I believe these electrons bubble up to the surface of the conductor and we get the skin effect.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: allcanadian on April 14, 2008, 03:19:36 PM
There may be an easier answer, the kick is associated with the rapid closure of a switch closing the circuit of a conductor usually containing higher voltages. We know all conductors have the properties of inductance and capacitance, and the storage capacitity of a capacitance increases greatly when the potential difference across a dielectric is increased. What we seem unwilling to concede is the fact that the dielectric could be the space surrounding a conductor, the conductor is one plate---- the space surrounding the conductor the other. In this case a disruption in the media could produce a temporary storage of energy in the dielectric surrounding a conductor which must discharge itself in order to find balance. Or in cases of extremly large disruptions this dielectric wave could radiate outward, this wave like one capacitor charging the one next to it in a progressive fashion. We could compare this scenario to a lightning strike, the lightning strikes because the potential difference has become so great it causes the dielectric (air) to break down forming a conductive path. Maybe we should consider what may happen if the dielectric does not break down but does never the less conduct.
Just a thought
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 04:04:51 PM
     @all canadien   

I believe that when we get the electric field fluctuating with the magnetic field in alignment we get scalar waves.  The collapsing magnetic field producing an electrical current and the electrical current  producing the magnetic field over and over again in the same spot.  As you noted this electrical current does not have to go to the length of ionizing the air,  just causing an open air capacitor charging and discharging.  This is what Tesla did.  His lightning was just to awe the audience.
   Meanwhile scalar waves were time traveling right through them.   :D
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 04:23:24 PM
Doh!
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 06:09:19 PM
If the space surrounding the conductor is a "dielectric", then how can it be the "other" plate?  The "other plate" is a different part of the same conductor.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 06:17:54 PM
  all canadien-disruption in the media
  Tesla-non hertzian wave
  alecks-dc acoustical wave
  Bearden-scalar wave
  Spherics-overlapping comp fields
 
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 08:18:25 PM
  all canadien-disruption in the media
  Tesla-non hertzian wave
  alecks-dc acoustical wave
  Bearden-scalar wave
  Spherics-overlapping comp fields
 
I would use all four adjectives for DC acoustic waves I'm hypothesizing. Though, I do not really understand what is 'comp' field. Probably spherics referred to some additional "unknown" field that accompanies generation of (or I would rather say, actively produces) rotating magnetic field.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 08:45:19 PM
.....all conductors have the properties of inductance and capacitance, and the storage capacitity of a capacitance increases greatly when the potential difference across a dielectric is increased. What we seem unwilling to concede is the fact that the dielectric could be the space surrounding a conductor, the conductor is one plate---- the space surrounding the conductor the other. In this case a disruption in the media could produce a temporary storage of energy in the dielectric surrounding a conductor which must discharge itself in order to find balance.

TPU researchers, a very simple and profound truth has just been placed in your hands again!!!  What are you going to do about/with it this time?

Way to go allcanadian!


Regards

If the space surrounding the conductor is a "dielectric", then how can it be the "other" plate?  The "other plate" is a different part of the same conductor.


What about the "inter-turn capacitance"?  Let's not forget that.  Then there is the capacitance to ground and every damn thing else around.

Perhaps someone can tell us what is moving down the axial length of the coil being impulse driven?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 08:48:48 PM
double post
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 08:56:27 PM
@ alecks

   Spherics described it as a field produced by compression of the aether.  Then he advocated aiming 4 solenoidal windings in a tetrahedral configurationg and a pulse pattern that would again create a persistent magnetic field that the torroidal output windings would collide with. 
 
   If we have two trains running down the track at the same speed but a mile apart.  The lead train cuts loose the caboose.  The caboose SLOWS DOWN  because of the wind shear or better yet it stops forward progress immediately and starts converting it's forward momentum into angular momentum in the middle of the tracks.  The only energy invested so far is someone had to smack the attaching link with a sledge hammer.   Along comes train 2 and slams into the spinning caboose.  Potential energy is exchanged.  Meanwhile train 1 has pickedup another car traveling along the track at the same speed and is all full of cars to cut loose.
   I
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 09:15:37 PM
Perhaps someone can tell us what is moving down the axial length of the coil being impulse driven?
Electrons and EM waves. They both produce phonons and temperature rise. Pulsing does produce much heat by itself. By the way, even if the group speed of electrons is slow (2 cm per second), they are still being bombarded by EM waves, and so they have to move through the atomic lattice "hard", be them travelling fast or slow. Phonons all the way along the axis. Disruption of atomic lattice. Non-equilibrium. This leads to DC acoustical wave known as non-hertzian wave known as scalar wave known as the comp field known as compression of aether and [probably] known as gravity force.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 09:35:02 PM
The only energy invested so far is someone had to smack the attaching link with a sledge hammer.
Of course, it's obvious thing that control work usually requires a lot less energy than power work. However, from existing physics dogmas it is absolutely impossible to get any surplus energy from any potential-kinetic energy transformation 'tweaks'. So, if any surplus is here it must be contradicting existing physics dogmas, do not have illusions here. Any OU guys are doomed to be out-siders unless they prove multiple times that physics dogmas of the past were wrong. I do believe that coil pulsing produces field that you would call a 'sledge hammer that has little power but a powerful impact'. By the way, gravity is not a part of 'standard model', so gravity research must be lacking serious funding where as there are enough observations proving that existing physics dogmas about gravity do not represent reality good enough.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 10:48:46 PM
@aleks

Stop muckling up this thread with your BS-Pseudo-Theoretical-Star-Trek-Wanna-Be-Jargon.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 11:12:44 PM
  @ Grumpy

   I believe the use of bifilar in the kick winding coils will reduce the turn to turn capacitance and increase the turn to turn inductance.  Tesla would use bifilar and series connect 1/2 the coil to turn the whole damn coil into a capacitor.    I think the parallel connection is the way to go in this case.
If you really want direction or a rotating magnetic field effect the best way is to use a couple of frequencies and one bifilar wound kick winding.  One 1/2 of the winding pulsed at the beat and the other at the first harmonic. 
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 11:19:29 PM
@aleks

Stop muckling up this thread with your BS-Pseudo-Theoretical-Star-Trek-Wanna-Be-Jargon.
I knew somebody takes a role of a judge. You are obviously an Edison. He could not understand Tesla well. :)
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 11:32:32 PM
      ERfinder

  If you have one pulse running down adjacent conductors you pretty much negate the turn to turn capacitance because the two adjacent turns are at the same potential.  Magnetically they are additive so that they induce a current into the next bifilar turn.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 14, 2008, 11:42:55 PM
    Well er give me your sceanario when you pulse a bifilar wound solenoid.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 14, 2008, 11:44:26 PM
@aleks

Stop muckling up this thread with your BS-Pseudo-Theoretical-Star-Trek-Wanna-Be-Jargon.
I knew somebody takes a role of a judge. You are obviously an Edison. He could not understand Tesla well. :)

I'm surprised that you can even spell "Tesla".


      ERfinder

  If you have one pulse running down adjacent conductors you pretty much negate the turn to turn capacitance because the two adjacent turns are at the same potential.  Magnetically they are additive so that they induce a current into the next bifilar pair. 

Sorry buddy, but you need to go back and do your homework! 


Regards

Would there be some degree of inter-turn capacitance between the conductor at the presences of this pulse and the adjascent portion fo the conductor that does not contain the pulse?

A quick review of Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes reveals that "capacitance" was detrimental to the magnifying effect.  I wonder why?

Why is the secondary of the Tesla Magnifier fabricated for high self-capacitance and the third coil (where magnification is most pronounced) is fabricated for maximum self-induction and minimum capacitance?

I guess Tesla didn't know he was differentiating the pulse...nope...of course not.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 14, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
I'm surprised that you can even spell "Tesla"....

A quick review of Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes reveals that "capacitance" was detrimental to the magnifying effect.  I wonder why?
Why is the secondary of the Tesla Magnifier fabricated for high self-capacitance and the third coil (where magnification is most pronounced) is fabricated for maximum self-induction and minimum capacitance?I guess Tesla didn't know he was differentiating the pulse...nope...of course not.

What's the catch? Do you have your 10 kW TPU running in the garage or what?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 12:00:49 AM
I'm surprised that you can even spell "Tesla"....

A quick review of Tesla's Colorado Springs Notes reveals that "capacitance" was detrimental to the magnifying effect.  I wonder why?
Why is the secondary of the Tesla Magnifier fabricated for high self-capacitance and the third coil (where magnification is most pronounced) is fabricated for maximum self-induction and minimum capacitance?I guess Tesla didn't know he was differentiating the pulse...nope...of course not.

What's the catch? Do you have your 10 kW TPU running in the garage or what?

The catch is that you have not studied Tesla's work.

10kw is a lot of power.  Most home don't need half that.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 12:48:05 AM
Hmm - there is that same reference to 250,000 in this patent as the Gary V's account of Tesla's discovery of magnification and RE.

Perhaps there is a connection.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 01:29:21 AM
erfinder

 The patent you reference is exactly what I was talking about when I said Tesla would use a bifilar wound coil as a capacitor.  He series connected the bifilar elements so that a greater potential would exist in adjacent turns of the bifilar winding.    Series not parallel.  I studied this patent at least a month ago when I was researching bifilar windings.  Wikepedia has a picture of Tesla's coil on their page. 
  Parallel bifilar windings will create a magnetic addition of fields which will precede the electron current flow in unengerized coils. 
  @ Grumpy
       
        The magnetic field expanding from energized coils should be alot stronger than any capacitance coupling of the unenergized coils.

     
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 15, 2008, 01:48:42 AM

Parallel bifilar windings will create a magnetic addition of fields which will precede the electron current flow in unengerized coils. 
 

not criticizing, just asking..where did you get this from?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 02:47:12 AM
   Tesla is describing building in capacitance in his coils so they will have a match without the use of external capacitors.  As he describes the coils  construction he says "the energy stored in the coil will now be two-hundred and fifty thousand as great"   STORED
   I don't think we want to store the energy in the kick coil.  Maybe we do. I was thinking more along the lines of dropping a magnetic field in the space between the collector and the kick winding.
  @poynt

      Wikepedia subject bifilar windings at least the part about adding magnetic fields.  The magnetic field would therefore increase in diameter around the coil bifilar turns and get to the unenergized turn before the actual electron migration.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 15, 2008, 03:40:35 AM

@poynt

      Wikepedia subject bifilar windings at least the part about adding magnetic fields.  The magnetic field would therefore increase in diameter around the coil bifilar turns and get to the unenergized turn before the actual electron migration.
i think the term they use at wikipedia "multiplied" should read "summed". if this is correct, then two magnetic fields side by side and in phase will simply add. the magnetic field strength is directly related to the current, and in a linear fashion (assuming no saturation).

what speed does magnetic flux travel? if it is the speed of light, then i guess conceivably the field could reach the next winding before the electron flow does.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 05:51:06 AM
In an effort to be deliberately vague, I would venture a guess that Tesla didn't use this sort of coil for a stronger m agnetic field.  For this he could have just used more layers like a conventional solenoid.   Nope, he had something else in mind. 

He would hit this coil with an impulse and what went in was not the same as what came out.

Going further into the realm of speculation, Tesla speaks of th is arrangement in the Colorado Notes as a means for storing energy - to me this means he was compressing - compressing the energy of the impulse to some rediculous level rarely encontered - venture further intot he rabbit hole, if self-induction exudes energy, self-copacitance must absorb it - and then he would release it and all hell would break loose in the excited coil.

So, by a clever arrangment of wire, Tesla achieved an unimaginable level of energy compression.

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 06:16:46 AM
   @Grumpy

    I'll go down the rabbit hole with ya.  Say you hit the coil with some high freq.
As much as a motorized spark gap can give you.  The coil takes every wave and holds on to it no radiation.  No resonating just keep pumping it in. Until you see little corona discharges from turn to turn.  You got yourself one hell of a capacitor at this point.  What do you do next?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 06:43:50 AM
   @Grumpy

    I'll go down the rabbit hole with ya.  Say you hit the coil with some high freq.
As much as a motorized spark gap can give you.  The coil takes every wave and holds on to it no radiation.  No resonating just keep pumping it in. Until you see little corona discharges from turn to turn.  You got yourself one hell of a capacitor at this point.  What do you do next?

You ranalogy is not exact, as the energy we speak of is dynamic at this point, but moving forward for the good of all, you take this compressed energy and like a hammer, you hit a coil with high self-induction and absolutely minumal self-capacitance.  The means a coil that has a diameter equal to the height - one layer solenoid - spacing included in height - for the quick rule of thumb.  Self-capacitance will restrict the effect - as this energy is released in this coil there is a magnification of the input energy due to the self-inductance that "defies analysis" - because we lack the understanding of this to apply math to it .  Dollard applied much of Steinmetz' knowledge to this and still came up short.

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
@Grumpy

     I think the coil the one with high self-capacitance would be capable of forming a resonate circuit in and of itself.  The energy therefore is fluctutating between current and capacitance within the coil field itself.  Dynamic. 
  So any energy input gets caught so to speak in the coil and compressed into the resonating field.  Now if this coil is also a collector or receiver antennae oh boy you have the whole shooting match with just one coil.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 02:56:28 PM
I'm going to crush a misconception:

Everyone that hears the name "Tesla" clings to "resonance" as the explanation to everything.  It isn't.  Tesla used other means besides resonance.  He even went so far in an interview to state that while you could build up energy with resonance, that is is easier to use a few turns in a secondary.

When Richard Hull describes the Tesla Magnifier, which he and his group persued for the purpose of maximum spark length, he states that the MT is not resonant and that all the 1/4 wave stuff does not apply.

Travel back in history to the time when they use "shock excited" circuits and you see that the frequency of the working circuit is not the same as the exciting cirucit and the two - while coupled - are indepenedent.

So, back to the subject in question, we take this freaking huge spike of energy that we have modified (the term "stored" isn't wuite right for such a temporary storage) in the secondary, which has high-selfcapacitance, and use this "Hammer of Thor" to ring the coil that has the high self--inductance.  This is still rather analogous since te coil is not a bell, but is a combination of conductor and dielectric.  "Bell" is easier to grasp.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 04:54:34 PM
   I think that if you have a coil of high self-inductance and wrap it around a secondary coil.  Just a couple of turns the magnetic field moves axially across the primary coil at high speed. Especially if the primary coils interior is magnetically saturated by the secondary winding.  This results in alot more transfer of energy than using an iron core and wasting time and energy screwing around with magnetic domains of the iron.  The magnetic field of each turn acts as the primary for the next turn and the induced voltage of the secondary turn generates a magnetic response and becomes the primary for the next unenergized turn. This results in an axial flow of magnetism that I would suspect is pretty damn quick. Your secondary turns are experiencing a fast moving magnetic field and respond according to ampere's law. 
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 04:56:00 PM
That patent was in 1886.  It was by no means the "final word" regarding Tesla's work.  Tesla went beyond the two-coil - loosely coupled - resonant-rise type of system.

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To quote Richard Hull in his article on his work with the Tesla Magnifier:
http://www.stargazing.net/Astroman/Magnifier.html

"There is much in his (Tesla's colorado Springs Notes) notes that becomes manifest only upon experimentation."


Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2008, 06:06:10 PM
@Erfinder

Let me just vulgarize this subject to my grade 1 level.

So perfect resonance is perfect balance.

As an analogy, if I took a 10 pound steel ball and balanced it on the tip of a nail so it will stand still, this could also be considered perfect resonance even though it is perfectly still. If the ball tips more to one side, that side will have to exert counter force to hold it unbalanced wasting energy. At the same time from the other side of this unbalanced condition, you will have to pull back somewhat to not unbalance the ball even further, so again from the other side there is an ineffecient use of energy. When the ball is in balance, it requires minimal energy to keep it balanced.

So under resonance, the energy feeding the circuit is equal to the energy leaving the circuit making the medium of transformation as transparent as possible to other adverse conditions. So resonance = maximum effeciency = perfect balance.

According to my observations and trials, I have come to the conclusion that to achieve resonance is like when we do water treatment. We let the water analysis decide the treatment. What I mean is when you make a circuit with a predetermined anticipated end result, you will struggle indefinitely because the end results will most likeley not be what you hoped for. So you push more power, but something gets hot, or you increase the pulsation, but amperage goes down. The fact is, any circuit that runs at resonance is at its maximum performance. If this maximum performance is not what is required, then changes to the circuit should be considered and not only changes to its operational parameters.

Teslas devices in the material sense are well balanced. Copper weight ratios. Wire length ratios, induction to capacitance ratios, etc. If the physical components are well matched, then the resonance performance will produce the results you had anticipated. So the components themselves will decide the resonance they need to be in balance.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 07:45:14 PM
One thing you are seemingly forgetting about Tesla is that he was a venture capitalist. His capital were his patents. Why the hell in the world he would work on Niagara power plant if he had a source of free abundant electricity? Why not just manufacture and sell power devices that do the job? The answer is far simpler: Tesla had no convenient free energy source like SM TPU, for example. Tesla dreamed of power transmissions over distance, there is even no certainity about Wardenclyffe being a generator. It could have been just a transmitter without power generation. Probably there is little sense in using Tesla's terminology and approaches in this TPU area. Well, while TPU devices and Tesla's patents are similar and probably produced some similar performance, I do not see a motivation to produce free energy behind Tesla's work. He had good designs, but they were used to bounce potential-kinetic EM energies around in a most efficient way. Well, he did find some anomalous things, but his own reports on that are not publicly available.

On the resonance thing. When several objects or particles are at kinetic resonance, they share energy and thus they become a whole meaning every single object you add multiplies the overall effect (the capacity and thus the potential energy storage represented by the system).
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 09:09:09 PM
   
      I look at resonance as something happening that will cause it to happen again in the future.
Time travel without a whole bunch of energy input.
      If you look at Tesla's energy transmitter he uses a similar pancake coil but I believe it is configured differently.  He doesn't want to store any energy he wants to transmit it.  The pancake coil is wrapped with one or two coils around it's outer circumference making the primary.  This he pulses at the frequency he wants for the carrier which is also the signal.  But this primary  coil is just to get the magnetic field to flow across the first few outer turns.  This is a coil of high selfinductance.  The magnetic field compressing as it travels towards the inside of the coil.  This results in more and more amplitude in each successive turn the increasing magnetic flux crosses.  By the time you get to the turn that is in the center the voltage could be in the 100's of thousands.  Same frequency at higher amplitude by the time it reaches the last coil which is attached to the ballon.  This defies no laws of energy conservation.  It appears to be a method of grabbing energy and bringing it forward in time.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: EMdevices on April 15, 2008, 09:17:34 PM
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It appears to be a method of grabbing energy and bringing it forward in time.

this is nothing more than matching an electrically short linear antenna, which is CAPACITIVE, to an inductor (pancake coil)  and therfore decreasing the VSWR so you can transmit more power.

EM
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 15, 2008, 09:22:59 PM
   
      I look at resonance as something happening that will cause it to happen again in the future.
Time travel without a whole bunch of energy input.
      If you look at Tesla's energy transmitter he uses a similar pancake coil but I believe it is configured differently.  He doesn't want to store any energy he wants to transmit it.  The pancake coil is wrapped with one or two coils around it's outer circumference making the primary.  This he pulses at the frequency he wants for the carrier which is also the signal.  But this primary  coil is just to get the magnetic field to flow across the first few outer turns.  This is a coil of high selfinductance.  The magnetic field compressing as it travels towards the inside of the coil.  This results in more and more amplitude in each successive turn the increasing magnetic flux crosses.  By the time you get to the turn that is in the center the voltage could be in the 100's of thousands.  Same frequency at higher amplitude by the time it reaches the last coil which is attached to the ballon.  This defies no laws of energy conservation.  It appears to be a method of grabbing energy and bringing it forward in time.

Did you mean that the spiral coil compresses the "aether" - like the COMP field previously mentioned?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2008, 09:50:18 PM
@aleks

If I remember correctly, Tesla worked on Niagara Falls when he was first employed by Edison. This was way before he finally or formally came out with the AC motor and afterwards he had all his lab time to himself for years and years thereafter, once he had the bucks from Westinghouse to get his designs patented.

Anyways, I don't really care what people work on, but if it involves electricity, you will at one point or another touch on Tesla, weather you know it or not does not change that fact. The SM TPU, if it is producing, transforming, accumulating, multiplying, discharging or attenuating a current, it is touching on Tesla. So if it is producing electricity without doing any of the preceding, then he will be the next Tesla. But it's like saying the next Rembrandt will be someone using invisible paint.

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 15, 2008, 09:56:41 PM
@aleks

If I remember correctly, Tesla worked on Niagara Falls when he was first employed by Edison. This was way before he finally or formally came out with the AC motor and afterwards he had all his lab time to himself for years and years thereafter, once he had the bucks from Westinghouse to get his designs patented.

No Edison involved at that time, obviously:
http://www.teslascience.org/archive/descriptions/picture18.htm

I understand your attitude, but I'm not sure you should consult Tesla's works if you are hunting for overunity. Tesla's words about abudance of energy does not mean it could be tapped right away from nowhere - at his times at least. There would be no place for hydroelectric plant otherwise and Westinghouse would be the first to market 'free energy devices'. This is obvious as day and night.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 15, 2008, 10:31:52 PM
 @Grumpy

         Yes compressed or concentrated. More magnetic lines of force moving near the speed of light across conductors.  Each turn adding to the magnetic response of the induced current propelling the magnetic field towards the last turn.  Whatever causes an electrical current to flow when we fuck around with the magnetic field permeating a conductor is the scource of energy, always has been.
This coil just focuses this energy at a specific spot and time.  I don't care if there are Gremlins that don't like the new magnetic atmosphere around the old saloon inside the conductor pushing juice out the ends of the wires.  It happens.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 12:36:21 AM
   
      I  see a pulsed solenoidal coil able to produce a magnetic field  (pressure gradient in the potential energy sea we are swiming around in)  that precesses the kinetic energy of the conductor.  Much like the pressure wave that precedes a boat,  This pressure wave causes a kinetic energy response in the turn that is right next door and another pressure field.  And so on and so on down the length of the solenoid.  This can continue on in the dielectric field past the end of the solenoid infinitely but is more likely to merge into another vibration of spacetime.  This is what I believe happens in the tpu kick windings.  The kick starts this coil of high selfinductance to cause a magnetic pressure that causes a current that causes pressure that causes current.
      In the magnifier coil the same thing goes on but instead of inititating the pulse in a solenoidal coil it is initiated so that the magnetic pressure wave is directed inward traveling in a spiral winding where it is compressed into a higher amplitude wave of decreasing length.
      Either system causes a magnetic field change that causes a current that causes a magnetic field change.  SM's coil of high selfinductance is wrapped around a coil that experiences this magnetic pulse field and responds as a conductor would that experiences a changing magnetic field.
       
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 12:43:22 AM
A hunderd years will come and go before any of you get it.  Oh well.....good luck anyway!

Statements like this do not help increase anyone's understanding of anything.

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So, sidestepping the "stuff" and getting back to the subject at hand - the "kick"...

Here is an Excerpt from Gary V's account of Tesla's discovery of RE - posted 100 times - once for each year that we shall lack understanding:

Quote
Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when he placed a long single turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The thin-walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks. Undulating from the crown of this coil were very long and fluidic silvery white streamers, soft discharges that appeared to have been considerably raised in voltage. These effects were greatly intensified when the helical coil was placed within the disrupter wire circle. Inside this ?shockzone?, the helical coil was surrounded in a blast, which hugged onto its surface, and rode up the coil to its open end. It seemed as though the shockwave actually pulled away from surrounding space to cling to the coil surface, a strange attractive preference. The shockwave flowed over the coil at right angles to the windings, an unbelievable effect. The sheer length of discharges leaping from the helix crown was incomprehensible. With the disrupter discharge jumping 1 inch in its magnetic housing, the white flimmering discharges rose from the helix to a measured length of over two feet. This discharge equaled the very length of the coil itself! It was an unexpected and unheard of transformation.

There is your "kick".

TPU and unknown frequencies aside, how many reading this can reproduce that simple experiment and see the "kick"?

It is only a high-voltage source, a highly quenched spark gap (yes I know if the circuit is right then you don't have to quench it), a capacitor, and a loop of wire with a solenoid coil inside the loop. 

Until you can do this, there is nothing more to add than to repeat accounts of others, and toss theories around wasting bandwidth and time.

I'm sick of the bullshit theories and the "you'll never get it" crap - put up or shut up!

Here is my challenge to all of you - Erfinder included:  get off your arses, and build this circuit.

(disregard the blue boxes - I was explaining something to someone else)

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 12:51:01 AM
Grumpy,  Tesla was a great guy, but the "kick" was explained by Steven Mark, after all we are discussing his device.

The discharges that Tesla observed are NOT the "kick", but are related perhaps.

Simply put the kick is like an impulse to the wire (motion occurs) coming from it's repulsion in a magnetic field (from the earth but also from magnets)  when a significant current travels through the wire.   Steven mentioned it in the context of the tube filaments.

So frankly I don't understand what all the confusion is about.

EM
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 12:57:12 AM
Grumpy,  Tesla was a great guy, but the "kick" was explained by Steven Mark, after all we are discussing his device.

The discharges that Tesla observed are NOT the "kick", but are related perhaps.

Simply put the kick is like an impulse to the wire (motion occurs) coming from it's repulsion in a magnetic field (from the earth but also from magnets)  when a significant current travels through the wire.   Steven mentioned it in the context of the tube filaments.

So frankly I don't understand what all the confusion is about.

EM

The "kick" is NOT an impulse in the wire! 

Magnetic field?  You don't even know what a magnetic field is.  You do not know how it is created. 

The "confusion" comes from people attempting to pass their incorrect interpretations around as though they were facts.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: EMdevices on April 16, 2008, 01:02:54 AM
The kick is an impulse TO the wire, not THROUGH it or IN in.   I'm just telling you what Steven said, take it or leave it.

EM
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 01:11:00 AM
Yes, it is an impulse to the wire - but not in the conventional sense.

Attached is an image of an etheric discharge taken from the output of Dollard's MT taken in the summer of 1986:

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 01:13:56 AM
 @grumpy


        The diagram posted looks familiar.  Perhaps you can post the patent# for all of us to use as a guideline.
  GK is working on bringing hvoltage back down to usable levels other than ozone generators and stun guns.
  I think otto had something like this going too but blew all his stuff up.  Last time I tried this was pulsing a flyback transformer out of an old video monitor.  I touched the wrong thing and muscles I didn't know I had contracted.
Safety first this time.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 16, 2008, 02:48:48 AM
if we are talking about the "kick" according to steven mark, (and we should be in this thread), then the kick IS of course as he said....something that happens at the first instant of electron flow. not too much interpretation is required to glean that this "something" is a movement in the wire, and an increase in the current (and hence the magnetic field surrounding it).

that's it, "that's the secret my friend", as SM put it. all else in the TPU builds off this.

Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 04:06:03 AM
The diagram posted looks familiar.  Perhaps you can post the patent# for all of us to use as a guideline.

That image is from Tesla patent 462418.

if we are talking about the "kick" according to steven mark, (and we should be in this thread), then the kick IS of course as he said....something that happens at the first instant of electron flow. not too much interpretation is required to glean that this "something" is a movement in the wire, and an increase in the current (and hence the magnetic field surrounding it).

that's it, "that's the secret my friend", as SM put it. all else in the TPU builds off this.

The "something" happens before the electrons flow.  It precedes them and when you stop it (so to speak) it causes a reaction in the surrounding dielectric - be it aether, air, or plastic.    This has been reiterated a hundred times over the last 2 years.

Unless someone else can elaborate on an effect that is purported to produce a magnification of energy, then this is the only effect that you have any knowlege of and the only one that you can persue as a means of producing energy that you can use.  This being said, why is everyone still sitting around yaking about what SM said?  He said first that he could not explain how it worked and that he could only speak in parables and allude to various concepts, etc. 

I can only come to the conclusion that this forum is full of "drama queens" and "dis-information agents".

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Before anyone asks, I have built this and do not have RE "yet" as it is grossly out of tune and my spark gap hangs (doesn't quench) - so my current build has a ways to go.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 04:07:59 AM
@poynt

       The discussion here is about the kick dynamics. The torroidal coil is used extensively in electronics to stop a high frequency from passing downstream into the circuit.   Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there.
Now imagine the choke getting nothing but hf spikes and the core is saturated by a current carrying winding.  There's the tpu in a nutshell.  The added discussion about Tesla's work is because it is the same phenomenon going on.  Concentration of energy by the aetheric response to what Tesla called a magnetic disruption.  I get the feeling SM was a Tesla wannabe.  He even talks like folks did back in the early 1900's.  I also think that the various types of tpus are ripoffs of different inventions of Tesla.  The open tpu looks more and more like a mobius winding pulsed on the outside by a one loop winding.
The big one like Tesla's torroidal transformer.  He couldn't patent one of these if he wanted to, Tesla already did.   Next best thing is to rip off some investors and present it like it is something new.  All conjecture at this point,  but I have a hard time respecting anybody that dicks around with people who are as well intentioned as some of the people I have met on this site.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 04:24:20 AM
  Thanks for the patent #462418.    Going to the printer now.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: poynt99 on April 16, 2008, 04:25:47 AM
well i tried my best.  Now I've got a video to download...for the second time...grrrr!
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 05:27:09 AM
Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there.

The added discussion about Tesla's work is because it is the same phenomenon going on.

Now we are getting somewhere. See this Erfinder? 

In Tesla's own words - that energy is "wasted".

Tesla describe the "particles" of RE as having so little charge that they could be neutrons.  This particle will still have a magnetic moment.

Notice that the date of that patent is a few years after Tesla's discovery of RE.

From Gary V's book:

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Additionally, Tesla discovered an amazing phenomenon, which removed all doubt concerning the true nature of energetic carriers at work in his apparatus. Tesla arranged a very heavy U-shaped copper bus bar, connecting both legs directly to his disrupter primary. Across the legs of this U -shaped bus bar were placed several incandescent lamps. The arrangement was a very evident short circuit. The lamps were illuminated to a brilliant cold white light, while being shorted by a heavy copper shunt. Uncharacteristic of particulate current electricity, the bright but cold lamps revealed that another energetic current was indeed flowing through the "short-circuits".


Can this method of incandescent lamps be used to tune the disruptor and primary to produce RE.


Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Earl on April 16, 2008, 12:05:38 PM
What most people do not understand is that a big, monstrous short-circuit in the form of a U bus bar is only a short circuit for DC.

The bulbs were not lighting up due to DC.

As impressive as it is to laymen, this short circuit was ignored by all frequencies far removed from DC.

For laymen, this demonstration is very impressive since they do not understand.

For the learned, this demonstration is very instructive.

Earl
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 01:23:34 PM
 
@Earl

 Waveguide comes to mind.  Scalar wave guide.

@ER

    Tesla said that his day would come.  It's on the way and it's not going to take a hundred Earth years.   He said that the aether wasn't a bunch of spacetime coordinates void of all matter.  He was right.  It's full of mass  (potential energy) organized and sustaining itself in different time configurations or resonant frequencies.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 03:14:39 PM
Now we are getting somewhere. See this Erfinder? 

Calling me out eh?  I see that you still have no clue!  How's that?  And as for building the circuit you referenced!!!  I Have!!!!  Lets not forget, I sent you all to that patent, a long long time ago....It would seem that in your haste you have forgotten this minor detail.  Don't challenge me again, doing so won't get you anywhere.....I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else.


Regards

Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.   

I missed something?  Perhaps.  You are not the only one with knowledge and I trust that someone without the "I know more than you" mentality will show me my oversight.  The only people that are qualified to interpret the work of Tesla, or others for that matter, are people that have reproduced their work.  It's interesting that these people never say that "you will never get it", they never say they know more than anyone else, they just want to build stuff and make it work.

Maybe you did build it, it doesn't really matter, does it?

I issued the challenge because so many here talk and never move forward toward the goal - like they have all lost sight of it. 
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 03:16:25 PM
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.
You are doing the same thing if you forgot it.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
   
     This is my intentions as long as the endless toil man has to contend with allows it.
  Picture below.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.
You are doing the same thing if you forgot it.

I lack the necessary pedagogical skill, and sometime the necessary patience, and other times the will. (See, even I know a few big words.)  I would explain things better if I could, and at the same time admit that it is frustrating to attempt to explain something only to be misunderstood.

Now, weren't we going to build something?
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: allcanadian on April 16, 2008, 04:32:07 PM
@sparks
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The discussion here is about the kick dynamics. The torroidal coil is used extensively in electronics to stop a high frequency from passing downstream into the circuit.   Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there. Now imagine the choke getting nothing but hf spikes and the core is saturated by a current carrying winding.  There's the tpu in a nutshell.

Now there is a good question! "how can a torroidal coil stop HF?", I found part of an answer in the fact that a HF coil is a demagnetizing coil, that is it will demagnetize permanent magnets and exclude magnetic fields. Usually we reverse the current in an electromagnet to cancel a magnetic field but a HF alternation will repel all external magnetism regardless of its polarity, we could say in some respects it is an impolar field relative to all external magnetic fields. Its funny that as frequency rises the magnetic fields would seem to be replaced by electric ones. I think it was Henry.T.Moray who said the collapse of an electrostatic field is associated with EM energy, so there are many relationships to consider in regards to the conditions and qualities of what is under consideration.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 04:43:10 PM
I think it was Henry.T.Moray who said the collapse of an electrostatic field is associated with EM energy, so there are many relationships to consider in regards to the conditions and qualities of what is under consideration.
Any 'collapses' are about non-equilibrium in one space or another (be it magnetic vector field, electrostatic scalar field or whatever). Any such non-equilibrium is modeled via Dirac delta function that has its Fourier transform. While most elements of this transform represent simple sinewave oscillations - and they are then propagated around, - this transform also contains DC component which cannot "propagate" being a zero frequency component. Where it goes from that point of non-equilibrium? Energy cannot just vanish.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 04:43:21 PM
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.   

I missed something?  Perhaps.  You are not the only one with knowledge and I trust that someone without the "I know more than you" mentality will show me my oversight.  The only people that are qualified to interpret the work of Tesla, or others for that matter, are people that have reproduced their work.  It's interesting that these people never say that "you will never get it", they never say they know more than anyone else, they just want to build stuff and make it work.

Maybe you did build it, it doesn't really matter, does it?

I issued the challenge because so many here talk and never move forward toward the goal - like they have all lost sight of it. 

What a waste!  I tell people to go to the source!  No one does!  The few who do, come back saying that this this other guy has a better interpretation.....LOL.....so is life I guess....As far as teaching goes.....you can forget it!  Teach yourself, the stuff isn't all that difficult to comprehend, if you stick with the source!  When you start mixing and matching you can get lost in the sauce!  LOL.......tons of that going on!!  I refuse to confuse the situation any more than it already is, this is why I recommend the patents, articles and lectures, if you can't understand them your lost.  No one can teach you, it is what it is.  Many believe we are beyond these texts......Guess again.....
 

I see I am not the only one that lacks pedagogical skill. 

I never said anyone had a better interpretation than anyone else - easier to conprehend perhaps.  Each person interpretation is different.  It is what you do with it that matters.  Dollard and Hull interpeted Tesla's work very differently and produced different results.  Gary as TFC Books has other views - he could care less about power and is pursuing communications.  I think we can learn from all of them as well as each other.  After all, everything is connected in one way or another.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: aleks on April 16, 2008, 05:07:34 PM
pedagogical skill
When you are using such words you are revealing that you are actually trying to treat us as a bunch of children you'd like to teach something not possessing a required skill.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 16, 2008, 05:19:34 PM
   
     This is my intentions as long as the endless toil man has to contend with allows it.
  Picture below.
  Bump.  The below apparatus will be an attempt to replicate Tesla's work disclosed in his patent application 649621.  circa 1901.  It is the electrical transmission one.  The receiver will be a tank of salt water which when exposed to high energy circuits disassociates into hydrogen.  Maybe drive the primary oscillator off an infrared demodulation circuit some day and the whole thing becomes a heat energy concentrator.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Grumpy on April 16, 2008, 05:29:12 PM
pedagogical skill
When you are using such words you are revealing that you are actually trying to treat us as a bunch of children you'd like to teach something not possessing a required skill.


I actually learned that word from a physics student that was explaining the "vector potential" (there were two of them and they were arguing over it).  I chose to use it becuase of it's definition:

Pedagogy - The art or science of being a teacher. The term generally refers to strategies of instruction, or a style of instruction.

(The ability to teach is a precious gift.)
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: Earl on April 16, 2008, 06:59:10 PM
@ Earl,
I intend to have something to demonstrate at the next conference!  Something we can all be proud of. Regards

Give me a chat on the other channel some time.  I am there most of the time, even if not always at the keyboard.

Earl
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2008, 06:34:37 PM
Alot of you have contributed to my ongoing process.
Thank you.
I still get stuck on the obvious though. When I see it. Till then there is always more information to contend with. But the basics never escape me.

And right after the passing away of Tesla the MIB came and took documents. Maybe they thought we would never find the truth. Tesla, like any R&D guy worked in stages incorporating past discoveries into future steps. No one can do this in reverse. And if you are sure of who you can't trust you release product only when neccessary and as big as possible to insure your own security and product unstoppability. This is fact. This is how it is done. Else you get ripped off. No matter who you are.

Here is the most basic of simple kick producer. The output stage is yours to play with. Solid state commutator. It doesn't get any simpler. Yes, RE flys all over the place. You can feel potential jumping all over the table looking for balance. Internal energy coupled incorrectly to the external. Well, what do you know, it wants to go home, balance. To the circuit or away?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 17, 2008, 11:00:57 PM
   @GK

     At times we are teachers and students simultaneously and don't even know it.  The only one constant teacher is the Universe itself.  Thankyou for the diagrams.  It confirms a notion I had that there needs to be a 3layered build.
The pulse acceptor and transmitter.  The control windings through which the scalar em disruption inacts upon.  And the collector.
     Fuck the mib's we'll put this bitch on mythbusters.
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2008, 11:18:18 PM
   @GK

     At times we are teachers and students simultaneously and don't even know it.  The only one constant teacher is the Universe itself.  Thankyou for the diagrams.  It confirms a notion I had that there needs to be a 3layered build.
The pulse acceptor and transmitter.  The control windings through which the scalar em disruption inacts upon.  And the collector.
     Fuck the mib's we'll put this bitch on mythbusters.

And here is the final say, if I may say so myself.
Current physics are not neccesary.
Roses are red, voilets are blue,
Tesla explains how to do it,
Now so can you...

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat454622.pdf
Has anybody counted how many times he stated this across all his patents? And has anybody taken note as how many ways he has implemented this process across most of his patents? And has anybody taken note all the different ways in one patent of his many patents he used this? You'ld be totally surprised.
He totally hacked the patent process for his diabolical needs. The deep question is why? We all know our reasons but they are puny compared the thinking of this giant above all mankind. His revenge is deafening. The mongers will subside soon.

--giantkiller. Same as it ever was...
Title: Re: Kicks explained
Post by: sparks on April 21, 2008, 03:57:54 PM
   I would like to use this post to clarify to others what my posts in the past represent.  For some reason if I write or type things down they stick.  I learned this in my 1st and only year of formal college back in 1974.  My posts are my notes at the college of OU. Thankyou Stephan and all of the professors here.

   Now my thesis,

  What I have been able to learn here, that I believe is worth remembering is: that an oscillation of voltage that results in changing the electromagnetic parameters of the space it is impressed on at a high rate of change will result in producing a catalytic form of mass.  It has been called a spike, kick,
electo-magnetic pulse, magnetic disruption..   A radio station creates this energypacket and it is able to cause trillions upon trillions of vibrations in other forms of mass as it expands it's field of inflluence at the speed of light.  An antennae is rated for performance in decibels of gain.  This is essentially how much more powerful is the signal coming out of the antennae than the strength of the vibrations in the field surrounding the antennae.    Here is the cut to the chase line for those that are in a hurry.

     The kick has the ability to cause the potential energy stored in the mass it encounters to be released.  I'm being a professor now so I repeat myself.  The kick has the ability to
cause potential energy stored in the mass it encounters to be released.    

  Everything else I have posted on this site is a students notes. 

   I love mankind, we have potential.  Potential to be complete idiots being pushed around by greed and selfishness, addictions, thirst for power and glory, and the shedding of responsiblity to our fellow man while we try to get our individual asses to some kind of nirvana.  We can leave children starving in the streets while we build temples to ourselves and our favorite Gods.  BUT we have the potential to love also.  Not just love our genetic products but love all children whether they take on the form of the homeless the starving the freezing the diseased.  Give love a chance!!!!!!