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Author Topic: Kicks explained  (Read 45098 times)

Offline EMdevices

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2008, 09:17:34 PM »
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It appears to be a method of grabbing energy and bringing it forward in time.

this is nothing more than matching an electrically short linear antenna, which is CAPACITIVE, to an inductor (pancake coil)  and therfore decreasing the VSWR so you can transmit more power.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2008, 09:22:59 PM »
   
      I look at resonance as something happening that will cause it to happen again in the future.
Time travel without a whole bunch of energy input.
      If you look at Tesla's energy transmitter he uses a similar pancake coil but I believe it is configured differently.  He doesn't want to store any energy he wants to transmit it.  The pancake coil is wrapped with one or two coils around it's outer circumference making the primary.  This he pulses at the frequency he wants for the carrier which is also the signal.  But this primary  coil is just to get the magnetic field to flow across the first few outer turns.  This is a coil of high selfinductance.  The magnetic field compressing as it travels towards the inside of the coil.  This results in more and more amplitude in each successive turn the increasing magnetic flux crosses.  By the time you get to the turn that is in the center the voltage could be in the 100's of thousands.  Same frequency at higher amplitude by the time it reaches the last coil which is attached to the ballon.  This defies no laws of energy conservation.  It appears to be a method of grabbing energy and bringing it forward in time.

Did you mean that the spiral coil compresses the "aether" - like the COMP field previously mentioned?

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2008, 09:50:18 PM »
@aleks

If I remember correctly, Tesla worked on Niagara Falls when he was first employed by Edison. This was way before he finally or formally came out with the AC motor and afterwards he had all his lab time to himself for years and years thereafter, once he had the bucks from Westinghouse to get his designs patented.

Anyways, I don't really care what people work on, but if it involves electricity, you will at one point or another touch on Tesla, weather you know it or not does not change that fact. The SM TPU, if it is producing, transforming, accumulating, multiplying, discharging or attenuating a current, it is touching on Tesla. So if it is producing electricity without doing any of the preceding, then he will be the next Tesla. But it's like saying the next Rembrandt will be someone using invisible paint.


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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2008, 09:56:41 PM »
@aleks

If I remember correctly, Tesla worked on Niagara Falls when he was first employed by Edison. This was way before he finally or formally came out with the AC motor and afterwards he had all his lab time to himself for years and years thereafter, once he had the bucks from Westinghouse to get his designs patented.

No Edison involved at that time, obviously:
http://www.teslascience.org/archive/descriptions/picture18.htm

I understand your attitude, but I'm not sure you should consult Tesla's works if you are hunting for overunity. Tesla's words about abudance of energy does not mean it could be tapped right away from nowhere - at his times at least. There would be no place for hydroelectric plant otherwise and Westinghouse would be the first to market 'free energy devices'. This is obvious as day and night.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2008, 10:31:52 PM »
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         Yes compressed or concentrated. More magnetic lines of force moving near the speed of light across conductors.  Each turn adding to the magnetic response of the induced current propelling the magnetic field towards the last turn.  Whatever causes an electrical current to flow when we fuck around with the magnetic field permeating a conductor is the scource of energy, always has been.
This coil just focuses this energy at a specific spot and time.  I don't care if there are Gremlins that don't like the new magnetic atmosphere around the old saloon inside the conductor pushing juice out the ends of the wires.  It happens.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2008, 12:36:21 AM »
   
      I  see a pulsed solenoidal coil able to produce a magnetic field  (pressure gradient in the potential energy sea we are swiming around in)  that precesses the kinetic energy of the conductor.  Much like the pressure wave that precedes a boat,  This pressure wave causes a kinetic energy response in the turn that is right next door and another pressure field.  And so on and so on down the length of the solenoid.  This can continue on in the dielectric field past the end of the solenoid infinitely but is more likely to merge into another vibration of spacetime.  This is what I believe happens in the tpu kick windings.  The kick starts this coil of high selfinductance to cause a magnetic pressure that causes a current that causes pressure that causes current.
      In the magnifier coil the same thing goes on but instead of inititating the pulse in a solenoidal coil it is initiated so that the magnetic pressure wave is directed inward traveling in a spiral winding where it is compressed into a higher amplitude wave of decreasing length.
      Either system causes a magnetic field change that causes a current that causes a magnetic field change.  SM's coil of high selfinductance is wrapped around a coil that experiences this magnetic pulse field and responds as a conductor would that experiences a changing magnetic field.
       

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2008, 12:43:22 AM »
A hunderd years will come and go before any of you get it.  Oh well.....good luck anyway!

Statements like this do not help increase anyone's understanding of anything.

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So, sidestepping the "stuff" and getting back to the subject at hand - the "kick"...

Here is an Excerpt from Gary V's account of Tesla's discovery of RE - posted 100 times - once for each year that we shall lack understanding:

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Tesla made a most startling discovery the same year, when he placed a long single turn copper helix near his magnetic disrupter. The coil, some two feet in length, did not behave as did solid copper pipes and other objects. The thin-walled coil became ensheathed in an envelope of white sparks. Undulating from the crown of this coil were very long and fluidic silvery white streamers, soft discharges that appeared to have been considerably raised in voltage. These effects were greatly intensified when the helical coil was placed within the disrupter wire circle. Inside this ?shockzone?, the helical coil was surrounded in a blast, which hugged onto its surface, and rode up the coil to its open end. It seemed as though the shockwave actually pulled away from surrounding space to cling to the coil surface, a strange attractive preference. The shockwave flowed over the coil at right angles to the windings, an unbelievable effect. The sheer length of discharges leaping from the helix crown was incomprehensible. With the disrupter discharge jumping 1 inch in its magnetic housing, the white flimmering discharges rose from the helix to a measured length of over two feet. This discharge equaled the very length of the coil itself! It was an unexpected and unheard of transformation.

There is your "kick".

TPU and unknown frequencies aside, how many reading this can reproduce that simple experiment and see the "kick"?

It is only a high-voltage source, a highly quenched spark gap (yes I know if the circuit is right then you don't have to quench it), a capacitor, and a loop of wire with a solenoid coil inside the loop. 

Until you can do this, there is nothing more to add than to repeat accounts of others, and toss theories around wasting bandwidth and time.

I'm sick of the bullshit theories and the "you'll never get it" crap - put up or shut up!

Here is my challenge to all of you - Erfinder included:  get off your arses, and build this circuit.

(disregard the blue boxes - I was explaining something to someone else)


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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2008, 12:51:01 AM »
Grumpy,  Tesla was a great guy, but the "kick" was explained by Steven Mark, after all we are discussing his device.

The discharges that Tesla observed are NOT the "kick", but are related perhaps.

Simply put the kick is like an impulse to the wire (motion occurs) coming from it's repulsion in a magnetic field (from the earth but also from magnets)  when a significant current travels through the wire.   Steven mentioned it in the context of the tube filaments.

So frankly I don't understand what all the confusion is about.

EM

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2008, 12:57:12 AM »
Grumpy,  Tesla was a great guy, but the "kick" was explained by Steven Mark, after all we are discussing his device.

The discharges that Tesla observed are NOT the "kick", but are related perhaps.

Simply put the kick is like an impulse to the wire (motion occurs) coming from it's repulsion in a magnetic field (from the earth but also from magnets)  when a significant current travels through the wire.   Steven mentioned it in the context of the tube filaments.

So frankly I don't understand what all the confusion is about.

EM

The "kick" is NOT an impulse in the wire! 

Magnetic field?  You don't even know what a magnetic field is.  You do not know how it is created. 

The "confusion" comes from people attempting to pass their incorrect interpretations around as though they were facts.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2008, 01:02:54 AM »
The kick is an impulse TO the wire, not THROUGH it or IN in.   I'm just telling you what Steven said, take it or leave it.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2008, 01:11:00 AM »
Yes, it is an impulse to the wire - but not in the conventional sense.

Attached is an image of an etheric discharge taken from the output of Dollard's MT taken in the summer of 1986:


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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2008, 01:13:56 AM »
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        The diagram posted looks familiar.  Perhaps you can post the patent# for all of us to use as a guideline.
  GK is working on bringing hvoltage back down to usable levels other than ozone generators and stun guns.
  I think otto had something like this going too but blew all his stuff up.  Last time I tried this was pulsing a flyback transformer out of an old video monitor.  I touched the wrong thing and muscles I didn't know I had contracted.
Safety first this time.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2008, 02:48:48 AM »
if we are talking about the "kick" according to steven mark, (and we should be in this thread), then the kick IS of course as he said....something that happens at the first instant of electron flow. not too much interpretation is required to glean that this "something" is a movement in the wire, and an increase in the current (and hence the magnetic field surrounding it).

that's it, "that's the secret my friend", as SM put it. all else in the TPU builds off this.


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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2008, 04:06:03 AM »
The diagram posted looks familiar.  Perhaps you can post the patent# for all of us to use as a guideline.

That image is from Tesla patent 462418.

if we are talking about the "kick" according to steven mark, (and we should be in this thread), then the kick IS of course as he said....something that happens at the first instant of electron flow. not too much interpretation is required to glean that this "something" is a movement in the wire, and an increase in the current (and hence the magnetic field surrounding it).

that's it, "that's the secret my friend", as SM put it. all else in the TPU builds off this.

The "something" happens before the electrons flow.  It precedes them and when you stop it (so to speak) it causes a reaction in the surrounding dielectric - be it aether, air, or plastic.    This has been reiterated a hundred times over the last 2 years.

Unless someone else can elaborate on an effect that is purported to produce a magnification of energy, then this is the only effect that you have any knowlege of and the only one that you can persue as a means of producing energy that you can use.  This being said, why is everyone still sitting around yaking about what SM said?  He said first that he could not explain how it worked and that he could only speak in parables and allude to various concepts, etc. 

I can only come to the conclusion that this forum is full of "drama queens" and "dis-information agents".

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Before anyone asks, I have built this and do not have RE "yet" as it is grossly out of tune and my spark gap hangs (doesn't quench) - so my current build has a ways to go.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2008, 04:07:59 AM »
@poynt

       The discussion here is about the kick dynamics. The torroidal coil is used extensively in electronics to stop a high frequency from passing downstream into the circuit.   Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there.
Now imagine the choke getting nothing but hf spikes and the core is saturated by a current carrying winding.  There's the tpu in a nutshell.  The added discussion about Tesla's work is because it is the same phenomenon going on.  Concentration of energy by the aetheric response to what Tesla called a magnetic disruption.  I get the feeling SM was a Tesla wannabe.  He even talks like folks did back in the early 1900's.  I also think that the various types of tpus are ripoffs of different inventions of Tesla.  The open tpu looks more and more like a mobius winding pulsed on the outside by a one loop winding.
The big one like Tesla's torroidal transformer.  He couldn't patent one of these if he wanted to, Tesla already did.   Next best thing is to rip off some investors and present it like it is something new.  All conjecture at this point,  but I have a hard time respecting anybody that dicks around with people who are as well intentioned as some of the people I have met on this site.