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Author Topic: Kicks explained  (Read 44278 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2008, 04:24:20 AM »
  Thanks for the patent #462418.    Going to the printer now.

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2008, 04:25:47 AM »
well i tried my best.  Now I've got a video to download...for the second time...grrrr!

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« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2008, 05:27:09 AM »
Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there.

The added discussion about Tesla's work is because it is the same phenomenon going on.

Now we are getting somewhere. See this Erfinder? 

In Tesla's own words - that energy is "wasted".

Tesla describe the "particles" of RE as having so little charge that they could be neutrons.  This particle will still have a magnetic moment.

Notice that the date of that patent is a few years after Tesla's discovery of RE.

From Gary V's book:

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Additionally, Tesla discovered an amazing phenomenon, which removed all doubt concerning the true nature of energetic carriers at work in his apparatus. Tesla arranged a very heavy U-shaped copper bus bar, connecting both legs directly to his disrupter primary. Across the legs of this U -shaped bus bar were placed several incandescent lamps. The arrangement was a very evident short circuit. The lamps were illuminated to a brilliant cold white light, while being shorted by a heavy copper shunt. Uncharacteristic of particulate current electricity, the bright but cold lamps revealed that another energetic current was indeed flowing through the "short-circuits".


Can this method of incandescent lamps be used to tune the disruptor and primary to produce RE.



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« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2008, 12:05:38 PM »
What most people do not understand is that a big, monstrous short-circuit in the form of a U bus bar is only a short circuit for DC.

The bulbs were not lighting up due to DC.

As impressive as it is to laymen, this short circuit was ignored by all frequencies far removed from DC.

For laymen, this demonstration is very impressive since they do not understand.

For the learned, this demonstration is very instructive.

Earl

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2008, 01:23:34 PM »
 
@Earl

 Waveguide comes to mind.  Scalar wave guide.

@ER

    Tesla said that his day would come.  It's on the way and it's not going to take a hundred Earth years.   He said that the aether wasn't a bunch of spacetime coordinates void of all matter.  He was right.  It's full of mass  (potential energy) organized and sustaining itself in different time configurations or resonant frequencies.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2008, 01:47:47 PM by sparks »

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« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2008, 03:14:39 PM »
Now we are getting somewhere. See this Erfinder? 

Calling me out eh?  I see that you still have no clue!  How's that?  And as for building the circuit you referenced!!!  I Have!!!!  Lets not forget, I sent you all to that patent, a long long time ago....It would seem that in your haste you have forgotten this minor detail.  Don't challenge me again, doing so won't get you anywhere.....I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else.


Regards

Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.   

I missed something?  Perhaps.  You are not the only one with knowledge and I trust that someone without the "I know more than you" mentality will show me my oversight.  The only people that are qualified to interpret the work of Tesla, or others for that matter, are people that have reproduced their work.  It's interesting that these people never say that "you will never get it", they never say they know more than anyone else, they just want to build stuff and make it work.

Maybe you did build it, it doesn't really matter, does it?

I issued the challenge because so many here talk and never move forward toward the goal - like they have all lost sight of it. 

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2008, 03:16:25 PM »
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.
You are doing the same thing if you forgot it.

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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2008, 04:25:03 PM »
   
     This is my intentions as long as the endless toil man has to contend with allows it.
  Picture below.

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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2008, 04:27:38 PM »
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.
You are doing the same thing if you forgot it.

I lack the necessary pedagogical skill, and sometime the necessary patience, and other times the will. (See, even I know a few big words.)  I would explain things better if I could, and at the same time admit that it is frustrating to attempt to explain something only to be misunderstood.

Now, weren't we going to build something?

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Re: Kicks explained
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2008, 04:32:07 PM »
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The discussion here is about the kick dynamics. The torroidal coil is used extensively in electronics to stop a high frequency from passing downstream into the circuit.   Where does all that hf energy go and how does it get there. Now imagine the choke getting nothing but hf spikes and the core is saturated by a current carrying winding.  There's the tpu in a nutshell.

Now there is a good question! "how can a torroidal coil stop HF?", I found part of an answer in the fact that a HF coil is a demagnetizing coil, that is it will demagnetize permanent magnets and exclude magnetic fields. Usually we reverse the current in an electromagnet to cancel a magnetic field but a HF alternation will repel all external magnetism regardless of its polarity, we could say in some respects it is an impolar field relative to all external magnetic fields. Its funny that as frequency rises the magnetic fields would seem to be replaced by electric ones. I think it was Henry.T.Moray who said the collapse of an electrostatic field is associated with EM energy, so there are many relationships to consider in regards to the conditions and qualities of what is under consideration.

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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2008, 04:43:10 PM »
I think it was Henry.T.Moray who said the collapse of an electrostatic field is associated with EM energy, so there are many relationships to consider in regards to the conditions and qualities of what is under consideration.
Any 'collapses' are about non-equilibrium in one space or another (be it magnetic vector field, electrostatic scalar field or whatever). Any such non-equilibrium is modeled via Dirac delta function that has its Fourier transform. While most elements of this transform represent simple sinewave oscillations - and they are then propagated around, - this transform also contains DC component which cannot "propagate" being a zero frequency component. Where it goes from that point of non-equilibrium? Energy cannot just vanish.

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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2008, 04:43:21 PM »
Yes, yes.  You are the only one that knows anything.  Always telling everyone how "wrong" they are and how they will never "get it" in a hundred years.  Of course you never explain it in terms that they can understand, you never help them grow.   

I missed something?  Perhaps.  You are not the only one with knowledge and I trust that someone without the "I know more than you" mentality will show me my oversight.  The only people that are qualified to interpret the work of Tesla, or others for that matter, are people that have reproduced their work.  It's interesting that these people never say that "you will never get it", they never say they know more than anyone else, they just want to build stuff and make it work.

Maybe you did build it, it doesn't really matter, does it?

I issued the challenge because so many here talk and never move forward toward the goal - like they have all lost sight of it. 

What a waste!  I tell people to go to the source!  No one does!  The few who do, come back saying that this this other guy has a better interpretation.....LOL.....so is life I guess....As far as teaching goes.....you can forget it!  Teach yourself, the stuff isn't all that difficult to comprehend, if you stick with the source!  When you start mixing and matching you can get lost in the sauce!  LOL.......tons of that going on!!  I refuse to confuse the situation any more than it already is, this is why I recommend the patents, articles and lectures, if you can't understand them your lost.  No one can teach you, it is what it is.  Many believe we are beyond these texts......Guess again.....
 

I see I am not the only one that lacks pedagogical skill. 

I never said anyone had a better interpretation than anyone else - easier to conprehend perhaps.  Each person interpretation is different.  It is what you do with it that matters.  Dollard and Hull interpeted Tesla's work very differently and produced different results.  Gary as TFC Books has other views - he could care less about power and is pursuing communications.  I think we can learn from all of them as well as each other.  After all, everything is connected in one way or another.

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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2008, 05:07:34 PM »
pedagogical skill
When you are using such words you are revealing that you are actually trying to treat us as a bunch of children you'd like to teach something not possessing a required skill.

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« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2008, 05:19:34 PM »
   
     This is my intentions as long as the endless toil man has to contend with allows it.
  Picture below.
  Bump.  The below apparatus will be an attempt to replicate Tesla's work disclosed in his patent application 649621.  circa 1901.  It is the electrical transmission one.  The receiver will be a tank of salt water which when exposed to high energy circuits disassociates into hydrogen.  Maybe drive the primary oscillator off an infrared demodulation circuit some day and the whole thing becomes a heat energy concentrator.

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« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2008, 05:29:12 PM »
pedagogical skill
When you are using such words you are revealing that you are actually trying to treat us as a bunch of children you'd like to teach something not possessing a required skill.


I actually learned that word from a physics student that was explaining the "vector potential" (there were two of them and they were arguing over it).  I chose to use it becuase of it's definition:

Pedagogy - The art or science of being a teacher. The term generally refers to strategies of instruction, or a style of instruction.

(The ability to teach is a precious gift.)