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Author Topic: No Lenz Generator Idea  (Read 10369 times)

Offline Marcel

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No Lenz Generator Idea
« on: March 16, 2008, 02:52:31 AM »
Hi all,
Does someone can perform a simulation for my new idea?
The small motor drives a 10 magnets rotor.
Magnets are sequentially N-S-N-S etc..
Each coil includes a cylindric Metglass core.
The external C core is ferrite material.
A Vizimag simulation show the back EMF prefers the left side of the core.
and have no influence on the rotor.
Any suggestions?
Watch a 3D animation:

Paris, France.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2008, 08:20:17 PM by Marcel »

Offline Marcel

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 02:53:47 AM »

Offline Marcel

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 02:55:04 AM »

Offline nightlife

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 05:54:23 AM »
Marcel, I like this design and but I would like to see a couple things changed to help utilize it's full potential.

 I will study this concept for a bit and give you some suggestions that you may find helpful. I will say that your design's concept may involve a concept that I have not found in any other design and I have been holding back from telling anyone because if everyone knew, they would be running out and get it patented. Patents tend to be bought and put on a shelf and not used. I for one feel that is wrong and why things are as they are today as far as our dependence on focal fuels.

 I am not sure if you realize what I am talking about and I am not sure if you intend to use this design how I am thinking it could be used. I need to know more about your idea on how you want it to work as well as the materials you plan to use for the different parts of this design. Like, what would you use for the rotor?
 You mentioned the back EMF referring to the back side of the coil and that makes me wonder if you really know what EMF is. The other issue is that you plan to place magnets north then south and so on, That makes me believe that you intend to change the coils current direction back and forth from a north pole to south pole. Is that right?

 The more I think about it, the more I know that even you have not figured out the concept that I have been looking for in these pulse motors. I started a thread for people to post the most efficient motor designs they know of and I have found that not one of them have utilized the concept that I have in mind. Your design has been the closest but based on what you have said, you have not utilized it and it would only take a couple small changes for you to do so.

 One thing that you must do is find out what you actually are trying to produce and what it's raw form is. I think most have over looked what I am looking for in these designs because they have all jumped past the basic's because they believe that what they have been already taught is true.

 How can you efficiently produce energy if you don?t even know what it is? Most of our energy conversions motors are between 20% and 35% efficient. We are wasting the rest and that is mainly because most do not know what energy really even is. The most efficient ones are listed in a thread called, "What is the most efficient motor designed". It is in the news category. Only a few have been posted thus far and I am hoping on others posting more. I want only the ones that have been proven to be as efficient as they are said to be.

 I must applaud you on your design and I hope you can figure out the changes you need to make to utilize your designs fullest potential. Good luck and thank you for posting it for us all to see. I may want to use your design in my conclusion of the said thread but before I do, I must be able to contact you in private.



Offline Marcel

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2008, 06:25:29 AM »
Hi Nightlife,
Thanks for your tips. At this time I'm working on a medium scale toroid generator based on the Sullivan patent and not started this one.
If you need to contact me, don't hesitate.
My email is marcel.thibault@gmaildotcom
I will send you a short 3DsMAx animation.


Offline Marcel

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2008, 07:49:03 PM »
Back side of the generator

Offline gyulasun

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2008, 08:43:38 PM »
Hi Marcel,

There is a web site where there is also a claim on a no Lenz generator idea, have you seen it? Here is the link:

and especially the next page

Slavek Krepelka tried to patent his ideas but finally made his alternator patent application into public domain instead, see here:

Unfortunately, I am not aware of any efficiency measurements on such setups like that of Slavek's. 
Interestingly enough, Slavek also mentions Sullivan's, though Sullivan has shown a bit different setup.
I wonder which Figure in Sullivan patent you are working on? 

 Anyway, I like the solution you show in your Vizimag simulation pictures,  and I ask why you think there must be permeability differences in the cores of the coil and its partial shunting path on the left side?  I would think using the same type of core material at both places and I would use a similar coil on the left side too, to utilize the flux change in that core column too. Thinking wrong?

Finally I have question on your Vizimag simulation:  in your NO_LENZ_02.JPG  the rotating magnet is still there in the gap but with an opposite or same? polarity already or there is no permanent magnet there at all in the moment the flux closes to the left column?  (I cannot make it out.)


Offline Marcel

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 10:32:59 PM »
Hi Gyula,

Permeability of metglass is much higher than ferrite.
So, the flux of magnet goes through the coil and not through the left side.
When the coil is loaded, the flux coil must go (according to Vizimag simulation ) in the left side,
because the right side is already saturated by the magnet.
It's why the volume of the left side must be 3 bigger than the right side.
Conclusion: There is no effect on the rotor when the coil is under load.
At this time the magnet is still on the gap. Then the next magnet enters in the gap with opposite polarity.

The Sullivan toroidal generator I'm working on, is an another project.
I have ordered a 33 cm silicon steel core and 5 cm high.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2008, 11:02:41 PM by Marcel »

Offline Nali2001

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Re: No Lenz Generator Idea
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 03:03:20 AM »
Hi Marcel.
I like the way you think. But here are a few points to consider.
At multiple places your core material is too thin compared to the total surface of the magnets. This causes over saturation of the core. Your own simulation already shows that. True it depends on the type of magnet but I exact that you are going to use Neodymium.

Second thing. although metglas has the highest permeability of the materials you use I can pretty much assure you that the moment you load the coil The flux from the magnet will prefer the outer left core side. And bypass the main core. I have done many experiment along these ideas and you bust not underestimate nature man I tell you it will always find a way to balance forces. Plus what I have found is that I does not matter where the field of the magnets and the opposing Lenz field fight out their power struggle. Lots of ideas exist to re-route the lenz field, and so to restrain the lenz field form interfering with the rotating magnets. But Since that Lenz field is created buy the same core as the field of the magnets go trough they will still interact. It does not mater where, in the steel or in an air gap, they will still find and conflict with each other.

Kind regards,