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Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: aleks on March 12, 2008, 09:56:29 PM

Title: Feedback on Hans von Lieven's research on Keely's motor + Stonehenge speculation
Post by: aleks on March 12, 2008, 09:56:29 PM
I'm not making this in person since I would like to have a wider discussion on my speculations on Keely's motor.

(directed towards Hans von Lieven)

As I've continued reading your research notes on Keely's technologies, I've noticed continuous mention of "thirds". I have a very easy explanation of why "thirds" are required. When a soundwave is composed of odd harmonics only (1st fundamental overtone, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th, etc), the oscillation appears to be balanced so that a material object moves towards one side from the point of equilibrium for the same distance as towards the other side. Please read further why exactly thirds (3, 9, 27, 81, etc) are required (beside the balanced waveform).

[It should be also noted that control over individual harmonics can be used to produce specific waveforms: for example, a square wave (in the case of balanced waveform). On the other hand, AFAIK square waves are used in "sequential analysis" which is based on square waves (or other basis waveforms) rather than on sinusoids like a standard Fourier analysis uses. To my knowledge, "sequential analysis" is a whole new field of research as it allowed to overcome some practical problems imposed by working with signals in Fourier domain. But this may be irrelevant to the topic.]

Now to an idea of how Keely's motor could work. As you've noted in your work, Keely tried to reach the Schumann resonance. I myself am not much educated about it, but I pretend it to be some physical process occuring inside Earth that creates acoustic waves of low frequency (7.7Hz as you've noted - but I'll be using 7.62Hz to "round" frequency numbers later). However, one should know the direction of these waves to take the most from the resonance. Keely uses spheres which are the perfect acoustic "lens" in that it can redirect energy towards its center without a requirement of exact space orientation. Moreover since such low frequency waves penetrate any kind of matter, they also penetrate the sphere easily. And then the sphere reflects them into its center. While as you've probably noted, Keely puts his gold/platinum "waveguide" wires inside the sphere and I'm pretty sure they cross sphere's "center" point. The same is true for the liberator.

Since in order to be able to resonate to 7.62Hz one should have a sphere of at least 50meter diameter, it's impractical. With a smaller sphere one can try using overtones of the 7.62Hz in a hope to catch the higher resonance (no way Earth produces a pure 7.62Hz soundwave - it should be a wave with some harmonics which are probably odd, since they are likely to be balanced, and hence they are "thirds" - 22.86Hz being the 3rd overtone of 7.62Hz soundwave).

The "loop" between the liberator and motor as you've noted can indeed be used to gradually amplify the oscillation. The wires crossing the center of the spheres not only resonate to external source of vibration that is projected toward center, but they also emit their own vibrations being interconnected with the spheres directly - hence the feedback is possible.

I have no idea how it is possible to tap energy with such small sphere as liberator or the motor itself, but this is probably possible: and the only possible way is to have as many resonating bodies as possible. This is where atomic scale rearrangement may give their fruits.

While I think atoms cannot be made to resonate to 7.62Hz directly (they are too small for such frequency), matter structure can be arranged to gain energy by tuning its structural agglomerations to harmonics of this frequency. So, it is possible that individual atoms are tuned to 150000Hz (taking this value from your text), larger agglomerations of atoms (moleculas) are tuned to 150000/3=50000Hz, even larger system of moleculas are tuned to 16666.7Hz, some even larger systems are tuned to 5555.6Hz, etc down to 7.62 Hz.

In such case the matter (wire or material that is used to build the spheres) may gain resonance in much higher amounts than just "sitting and waiting" without any restructurization. Then this resonance is passed back and forth from the small sphere to the large sphere and the overall resonance becomes even higher. Of course, the spheres should be resonating to some of the frequencies that are thirds (3x,9x,27x, 81x or 243x, etc) of the base 7.62 Hz frequency. The whole system of agglomerations work this way: at first, the largest agglomeration resonates to 7.62Hz, and if the movement of this particle is symmetrically constrained, it will produce 22.86Hz frequency component which should be a resonance frequency of smaller agglomerations whose movement is also constrained thus producing 68.58 Hz components, and the process should go on to the highest (atomic) frequency where it is accumulated. In my opinion it is very important that movements of agglomerations be constrained since it is the only viable mechanical way to move energy to higher frequencies from lower frequencies. Another possible way to move frequencies is to build a reduction gear variant with circle perimeters being thirds of each other, but I doubt it's possible to do on atomic scale. On the other hand, who knows - maybe some kind of metal alloy may be created in a way so that oscillations of one type of metal causes oscillations in another type from the alloy: in this case mechanical energy transfer can be made optimal, beside that metal composition can be finetuned in a way so that it creates agglomerations (e.g. a thin cubic grid of platinum that surrounds a cubic grid of gold atoms that surround volumes of silver atoms) - but you probably do need to use "sequential analysis" in order to be able to "finetune" the alloy's internal structure. A perfect knowledge of atom mechanics of these metals is required as well - linear sizes, their potential fields. (I do not think it should be quantum mechanics, though - no need for it). But I tend to believe that "constrained" motion fits into the picture better.

This system can be checked whether it works or not on a table by using some kind of objects (magnet spheres probably) that can be made to resonate to acoustic wave generated by a speaker (it should produce a clean sinewave without harmonics). If system is working, a microphone should detect generation of a much higher frequency component that is not generated by a speaker.

The main secret not revealed in your work is how it is really possible to create required agglomerations within matter. This is the most required information for any practical replication of the device. Without such finetuning no way it will work (but I hope sequential analysis may help here).

A note on "scales" that Keely used. In my opinion, there is little sense in using "C E G" (notes) in mechanical systems. Only harmonics (overtones) are feasible since all notes are basically discordant. That is why "third" is most likely to be 3rd harmonic rather than musical third interval (3/12 of an octave), beside that the first harmonic is commonly called a fundamental frequency (not like in your description of harmonics on your Keelytech page). Mechanics (macro or micro) only accepts a perfect harmony.

By the way, Stonehenge (see its recreation plan After Cleal et al) seems like a similar feedback structure based on air acoustics instead of wire waveguides (the perimeter of the structure is 2*pi*100=628m, of which the third is used as a small "liberator" having length of 200m, the larger segment is probably 400m long, with 28m spent on distance between these segments). I would speculate that the Stonehenge ring it is tuned to Schumann resonance frequency range (around 6.88Hz). What this is for it's another question, but what's certain this thing does not deal with electricity or magnetism - only with acoustics. I think that Schumann resonance may build up from Earth's rotation relative to its atmosphere (this is only speculation, but I'm pretty sure Earth's surface literally glides the atmosphere) - well, Schumann resonance is an electro-magnetic phenomenon, but it may be caused by acoustics in the first place (electrostatic caused by tension) - in either case, Schumann resonance in electro-magnetic range is useless as it does not carry any substantial energy other than for informative purposes: so, I think it's better to tie to the cause, not to the result. The atmosphere may be seen as interconnected with the ground via springs: hence, when ground moves, atmosphere may start rotating with a lag and then it may go into resonance: it may speed-up (outrun) and speed-down (lag) relative to Earth's rotation. In this case, Stonehenge ring (having 100m diameter) may be catching these waves easily. In that case the standing stones being short they could produce rumble of a higher audible frequency (e.g. for 5.55 meters it would be 61.98Hz in air acoustics, which is a second third of 6.88Hz). The internal (younger) ring of Stonehenge is known to be 33m in diameter which is a third of the main (100m) diameter, height details are varying - but this may have been used to produce a musical chord (of course, stone block dimensions should be taken into account to understand the fundamental resonance frequencies). I believe this whole structure could go serious buzz considering all of its structural components are tuned to each other by distance, size and orientation.

Schumann resonance frequencies (which are represented mainly by odd harmonics), however, are known to be subject to diurnal variations (if my understanding is correct, this can be caused by temperature differences from daylight to nightshade hence the air which tenses with the ground may change its mechanical properties and resonance frequency). That can be one of the reasons Keely's motor failed. Stonehenge, on the other hand, being a large structure, with a Q factor much lower than that of metal in Keely's spheres, may resonate to a wider range of frequencies, in a wider temperature and humidity conditions. In my opinion, if Keely's motor was solely based on molecular vibrations (this is what I first thought), it could not be disrupted as easily. Beside that the only molecular vibration I know is heat energy (brownian motion). Particles have spin and rotate around atom, so they can also be used to extract energy - it however would have to deal with high energy particles during "unwinding" the energy as it may not be possible to "dismantle" the atom without releasing particles on its outer energy fields. But if atomic energy was used I do not understand why Keely's motor was so faint.