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Author Topic: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time  (Read 153665 times)

Offline amigo

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2008, 01:20:28 AM »
@ zon

I'm wondering, what is the rationale for using that BC337 in reverse, without the base connected, instead of the diode?

@ Koen1

I guess that it might be possible to replace the batteries, but you still need to have an initial jolt of power come from somewhere else (battery, solar, etc) to start the process. :)

I'm attaching a photo of my ferrite bead coils, each is a 20 turns bi-filar wound AWG 30 or 34 wire. The oscillating frequency increases from left to right.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2008, 02:45:21 AM »
@amigo
Honestly, i don't have reason for BC337. It's only combining circuit :) where i get from "Domenico Di Mario Circuit's "  look at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5185/circuit3.html#CHARGER
Where his say's "Simple electronic circuits and a hypothesis on the connection between electricity and gravity"
My background in business management, i'm just practice on bread board, measurement, and asking to all expert in this forum :)
The three words that make me to do it are "Radiance", "Resonance" and "Energy"

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2008, 04:30:56 AM »
lol,  way to go Zon !  you have done like Bearden says:  don't close the loop!

Btw, you should take some current readings by putting your meter in series.  =)


@amigo

Thanks for posting the pics

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2008, 11:59:08 AM »
@feynman

Measuring with BC 337
at lead  - (ground) of target battery  2.17 mA,
at lead -  (ground) of source battery 15.25 mA

Measuring with IN4148
at lead  - (ground) of target battery 5.33 mA
at lead  -  (ground) of source battery 13.56 mA

Now, I stiil monitoring on BC 337 with base lead not connected.


@Amigo
Could u give me arrangement coil,  where can i get oscilation  range 30khz - 35 khz
Could BC 549 to do that.

regards
zon

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2008, 04:09:06 PM »
Interesting... so positive current flow is a net loss, but the transferred potential is increasing.


I personally can see a couple of explanations.

1) what Koen mentioned, that it's coming from the 'battery potential' measurement effect, with no RE charging.

2) It's RE.  The current draw is net loss, like a Bedini motor, but there is actually RE negative energy entering the circuit  (remember that negative RE does not have current, since it flows by Dirac electron-holes.  You can only see negative energy indirectly.).

I think the only way to know for sure is to do load testing on the batteries.

@Koen

Can you think of a good load test to determine whether Zon's battery is getting charged with Bedini/Bearden-type negative RE, or whether this is a measurement artifact?

@Zon

I will replicte your circuit once I get the toroids.  I will measure frequency on the scope and give you the information I collect. 

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2008, 04:20:29 PM »
I like the idea of substituting supers caps for the battery.  Then, since caps do not generate electricity, power measurements should be easy to do.  I don't know who proposed this idea but I like it.

Bill

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2008, 03:51:40 AM »
I have check again my gadget at my room where the led still lit on (24 hours, never turn off).
I've been make mistake on drawing schematic as i post before.
I attach the new schematic according the gadget acctually. Change on BC 549 , swap emitter with collector.

Now, i ve measurement of current at point P & Q,  at P  -->  1 mA and at Q  --> 6 mA.
Maybe . is it the answer, why the led will lit on for long-long time.

Anyway with charging system schematic, i got benefit for revive my used NimH battery.
Now, that battery can be charging with ordinary charging and storage well

zon


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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2008, 04:09:59 AM »
@Zon,
what advantage has it to run the transistor the wrong way around ?
Still drawing 6 mA from the battery and only 1 mA going into the LED ?
So what is the efficiency ?

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2008, 08:53:20 AM »
@hartiberlin
i build that gadget for first time, purpose to make the longest time to light LED with single AA battery and a few component.. 

and now , i continoue eksperimen  to get efficiency and "something".

i got a clue from my friend, who already make gadget. "Oscilating minimum 30 Khz  to maksimum 350 Khz (100%)"
but he don't want sharing to us what exactly what he make it.
I'll do the best  i can and get some clue from him

zon

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2008, 11:08:26 AM »
Lol thanks Bill ;)

Indeed, by switching the batteries for capacitors, power measurements
should prove a lot easier.

@Feynman: Well, there are some characteristics of the Bedini tech that you could
check for...
One of the things regularly mentioned by people who have built or experimented
with Bedini motor/chargers is that the batteries that are charged using the
"negative energy spike"/"back emf pulse"/"RE pulse" whatever you want to call it,
often just die after they have been used for a while. When such a battery, that
no longer accepts the "negative energy spike" charging pulse, is connected
to a normal grid-powered battery charger, it "eats" or "sucks up" a lot more
electricity than it should be able to hold.
Some accounts describe how the battery was charged for a couple of hours,
using electricity, but it remains "flat" for a long time, and only after a multitude
of the normal charging period will it start to accept and hold charge again.
I have been told this is an effect that can be caused by "deep cycle charging"
of a battery, and in relation to this it has been suggested that Bedini "merely"
deep-cycles his batteries using hV pulses, but does not actually harness any
"radiant energy" at all. That interpretation comes down to it being a sort of trick,
that somehow "jolts" the battery into depleting itself chemo-structurally,
thereby giving up electrical energy that it would not give off in normal operation.
Or at least, that seems to be the only viable explanation for a battery first
seeming to churn out more energy that it normally should, only to suck up a lot
more energy than it normally should too...

That said, there is a variation on the theme.
This is the "splitting the positive" approach that uses capacitors (instead of
batteries; the "normal" "splitting the positive" approach also uses batteries).
I believe on of our fellow forum members here worked on that for a while,
and I'm not sure but I seem to recall he claimed some limited success
using only caps.

In any case, I think making a capacitor-only version would be the best
test, and the best way to minimise measurement artifacts.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2008, 02:55:56 PM »
@Koen

Thanks for the post. I agree that devices using capacitors are the only easy way to prove OU circuits. Regarding Bedini, I know for a fact that he is not using HV deep charging or any other conventional technique.  I know this because  in energy from the vacuum part II (which you can get on bittorrent), Bedini lights a lamp by touching it to PLASTIC.

The only type of electricity which flows through an insulator like that is negative energy. 

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2008, 04:04:01 PM »

The only type of electricity which flows through an insulator like that is negative energy. 

Or radio frequency energy.
The spikes really have high component RF energy bursts and the neon lamp has
antenna wires connected to them, so it is clear that it is lighting up due to the RF energy
being present near the batteries.

I experimented already with a pulsed charger circuit which I drove a few NiMh batteries with
and they lasted very long this way charged up.
I used them in my camera and almost got double the running time  with the camera
on such a pulsed charge.

I still need to build that charger better up for
using it permanently so I can test it out some more times.

Probably you are right, that once the batteries are used to get their
charge from pulses they don?t like to get charged anymore the normal
constant DC current way, so it is best adviced to only use these pulse
chargers from now on.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2008, 04:52:23 PM »
Thank you Stefan, that's a very good point.  Since we are dealing with oscillation, we are dealing with RF. That would explain the proximity effect in the energy from the vacuum video. 

I think one good way to understand what is happening would be to put a spectrum analyzer near the battery with the circuit on and off.  They are a bit pricey, but hopefully we will be able to do spectrum analysis on the local transverse EM energy at some point.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2008, 05:05:21 PM »
Here's some information about pulsing leds, that you might be interested in.

http://members.misty.com/don//ledp.html

On another note, there was this guy on another forum who built this kind of circuit without the toroid.  He said he used something like 20 transistors to make it work, but the link to the schematic he posted was dead so I couldn't see how he did it.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2008, 07:37:47 PM »
@Feynman:
Well, I am not entirely certain about the claimed "negative energy" thing...
I have read/studied Beardens books and dvds "Energy from the Vacuum",
as well as the special edition "Free Energy Generation" which contains
Bedinis original and later motor/charger designs and Bedinis own theory,
and I have exchanged some email with Bearden discussing the topic.
There is some room for discussion there.
Bearden has decided for himself that there must be "negative energy"
involved, although he does not really substantiate that very well.
He comes up with an extensive theory involving "Dirac sea holes",
which are to space/time what normal "electron holes" a.k.a. "deficit electrons"
are to a (semi)conductor. So basically where normal "holes" are points
in the material matrix where an electron used to be but has just left that
position so a relatively positive spot remains, these "Dirac sea holes"
are points in space/time that are relatively positively charged, but
in contrast to normal "holes" these "Dirac sea holes" are not an artifact
of the material matrix, but rather an actual anti-charge in space.
And of course, as is the case with al "Dirac" particles, they only have a
very brief period of "existance" before annihilating with their antiparticles
like Dirac sea particles do all the time.
All nice, but according to Bearden we can basically "shock" these "Dirac
sea holes" into existence long enough to use them as actual positive charges.
Now this is where Bearden pulls in Bedini, as Bedinis motor/chargers seem
to produce an extraordinary positive charge pulse right after the original
pulse of hV DC.
Bedini himself appears to refer to this as a "positive potential spike".
The main trick here, as described by Bedini and Bearden, is apparently
to generate a very brief and strong hV pulse, and make sure you have a
circuit that can "isolate" that pulse from the following "positive potential spike"/
"negative energy pulse". Bedini does this using a timer circuit and/or a sensor
component and/or an oldschool mechanical commutator connected to the motor shaft,
to ensure that the section of the circuitry that is supposed to collect this positive
pulse is effectively disconnected from the rest of the circuitry during the time period
in which the original "drive" pulse is applied, and as soon as this normal energy pulse
has passed the selected "double action" section the connections are switched
so that the positive pulse ("negative energy pulse") cannot follow the original pulse
into the main "driver" circuit, but is forced to take the only other available path,
which leads it to a capacitor that receives this "positive charge" and as a result
also pulls in negative charge a.k.a. electrons on the other cap plate.

now that all sounds nice, but one may wonder what the reality is of "holes"/"deficit
electrons" that are not structurally part of a material...
In fact, it's a return to the old view that one can still find in certain very old electrophysics
books, where electrical current is not just a matter of electrons moving through a conductor,
but where they actually treat current and charge as if there are truly two opposing charge carriers:
the positive charge carrier, responsible for the + charge and + pole, and the negative charge carrier,
which attract each other.
In later views, the positive charge carrier was replaced by the "hole", or local electron deficiency in the
material matrix. That works, and many of the explanations involving positive charge carriers are still
valid for "holes", except forthe fact that they are no longer seen as actual particles but rather as a
non-particle with a non-charge, which is only positive relative to an actual negative particle, but has no
absolute charge at all. Funny enough, these non-particles with non-charge still flow through the material
matrix in reaction to electric fields, and they also collide with electrons moving through the material,
so it remains a bit of a shady area... Non-particles bumping into particles? Sure... ;)
Now what Bearden says is basically that the establishment threw away the baby with the bathwater
when they did away with positive charge carriers in electrodynamics and replaced it with the "hole"
concept. He claims that "holes" are a reality, but not the only "positive charge carrier", and that
the "Dirac sea holes" are in fact actual positive charge carriers in space/time.

Positive charges, alright, I can work with that.
But negative energy is something else, I think.
When energy is some measurement of how much force can be exerted,
then energy can never be negative. After all, how do you want to exert a negative force?
You can push something forward, and you're clearly using a positive amount of energy to do so.
Now if you pull the object back, are you using negative energy to do so?
No, you're not. You're still using a positive amount of energy, but you have directed it oppositely.
Does the same not apply to these "positive potential spikes" (Bedini terminology) or
"negative energy pulses" (Bearden terminology)?
If you push a lot of electrical charge into a conductor, you are inputting positive energy.
But if you pull electrical charge out of a conductor, are you inputting negative energy?
No, you're still using a positive amount of energy.
Is the electrical charge pulled out of the conductor now "negative energy"?
No, the electrical charge is still charge, which can still be used, and will still turn into
a positive amount of energy.
Negative potential a.k.a. a relative deficiency of electrical charge, is not automatically
a negative energy form.

This in my opinion is where Bearden takes a bit of a leap.
He clearly claims that such a "negative energy pulse" will absorb more energy while
traversing a conductor, and grow in strength and energy content.
I don't see Bedini make that leap, by the way. ;)
But it seems to me that a true negative energy content would simply be nullified
when it absorbs positive energy forms, just like a "hole" and an electron cancel
eachother out chargewise.

That said, there are ways to explain why the observed positive potential spike
seems to grow when traversing a conductor, but they have to do more with
the actual spatial movement pattern of the various charges and their fields,
and this borders heavily on if not barges straight into the realm of...
RF! ;D
And here we go, there we link into Stefans post again: radio freq. :)

For a description of such a pattern, basically a vector pattern in spacetime,
I would have to write a lot of text, multiple pages, which I shall not do now.
Those of you with a good imagination should be able to imagine what vector
pattern goes along with a generated high voltage pulse that is followed by
an oppositely charged voltage "pulse" according to said pattern.
 
I hope all that is informational and not just plain confusing. :)

Kind regards,
Koen

 

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