Hi Amigo

Well i guess so....
The mechanical spark between the two rotating needles of the motors produces a diffrent effect then the micro HV spark gap.
The resistance between the two rotating needles is constantly changing in a noisy fashion.
It's like a bad connection that never comes to a good pathway.
It has a certain smell when it is going and so does the micro spark gap but this is more likely ionization and ozone production.

Basicly i use 3 methodes to get to intresting results.
These are:

1. mechanical - moving parts in the circuit.
2. spark gap   - involves voltage to pass the threshold.
3. bemf          - pulse a coil with a low voltage signal and collect a high voltage bemf spike.

Methode one is grosly inefficient as you need power to drive the motors and it's mechanical so the parameters are changing all the time, it's not stable.
Methode two is hard to tune and some of the energy is lost in the form of heat, it also reacts to the environment like humidity and dust.
Methode three is best because there are no moving parts but it is sensitive for leaking, if there is some capacitive coupling the energy will be gone in a nanosec and even holding a wire destroys the effect.
In all three methodes the goal is to create a point of charge diffrence between a point in the the setup and a point in the environment.
This is like creating a sink so the energy starts to flow in.
Much like punching a hole into a baloon so the air comes out.
This charge diffrence is needed because we and everything around us is charged to the same potential.
We are sitting on only one plate of the gigantic capacitor.
So we can:

1. Take a wire up to the end of the ionosphere and connect it to the other plate (not pratical and quite dangerous)
2. Establish resonance (also not practical as we look into the sizes of the wavelengths)
3. Create a pressure diffrence.

Now pressure diffrences are evreywhere, and when they get too big it just flashes over between the plates in the form of lightning.
The pressure zone is electric (ambient potential), but as soon as it discharges by lightning, the energy is radiated away in magnetic form.(Schumann-Resonance).

M.

Hi,

I build the circuit following Groundloop's schematic (trifilar) and after testing it with various npn transistors, this is what I found out.

This circuit is driving 9 5mm white LEDs. No matter how many LEDs I put in (I only have 9), the amp remains the same. I would have thought that the more LEDs I hook it up, the dimmer it will be. It doesn't. Is this normal?

- 2N3904, lowest current comsumption at 30mA. LEDs. Dimmest but still bright enough to see "white" and not green tint when it's not enough power.
- 2222A, higher comsumption at 65mA (tried another 2222A, it goes up to 75mA)
- BC548, 2nd lowest at around 60mA
- BC337, highest at 80mA

Frequency as suspected, changes with various transistors.lower frequency, lower current consumption.

Right now, I'm putting the circuit (2N3904) to on test-run for time until battery runs flat (it's a NmH 1V2 batt). So far, it's running for 4 hours. Too early to tell anything.

Cheers, cp

@sanmankl

You really need to measure the hFE of the transistors you use because it makes a difference (bigger the better). I've noticed 2N2222 works better than 2N3904 though your current consumption is way too high, even 30mA is more than a standard Joule Thief circuit and not even my modified version which runs at about 12-13mA.

Actually in my latest incarnation of the circuit, there's no need for 1K resistor because I am using a 2N7000 N-FET which seems to be giving much better amplification than standard NPNs. Circuit uses standard 20 turns of bi-filar 30-34 AWG on a miniature ferrite bead/toroid core. Also, the current consumption has fallen down below 10mA (around 8-9mA depending on the oscillating frequency).

I believe our goal here is to get the LEDs to be the brightest and connect as many as possible, with the lowest current consumption thus prolonging the battery life.

Hi,

This circuit is driving 9 5mm white LEDs. No matter how many LEDs I put in (I only have 9), the amp remains the same. I would have thought that the more LEDs I hook it up, the dimmer it will be. It doesn't. Is this normal?

Hi

Do you think that is normal? i think it's magic.
I have seen the same thing many times....one time my whole room was filled with UV solar tubes all in series and it did not matter how much i connected they all lite up..

It looks as if the power feed only acts as a catalyst to establish the connection.
My next step is to focus all that light onto a little solar cell to see what it put's out, as you know solar cells are only about 15% efficient.

M.

Hi,

I build the circuit following Groundloop's schematic (trifilar) and after testing it with various npn transistors, this is what I found out.

This circuit is driving 9 5mm white LEDs. No matter how many LEDs I put in (I only have 9), the amp remains the same. I would have thought that the more LEDs I hook it up, the dimmer it will be. It doesn't. Is this normal?

- 2N3904, lowest current comsumption at 30mA. LEDs. Dimmest but still bright enough to see "white" and not green tint when it's not enough power.
- 2222A, higher comsumption at 65mA (tried another 2222A, it goes up to 75mA)
- BC548, 2nd lowest at around 60mA
- BC337, highest at 80mA

Frequency as suspected, changes with various transistors.lower frequency, lower current consumption.

Right now, I'm putting the circuit (2N3904) to on test-run for time until battery runs flat (it's a NmH 1V2 batt). So far, it's running for 4 hours. Too early to tell anything.

Cheers, cp

@sanmankl,

No, that is NOT normal. Can you be more specific? When you say current did not go up did you mean the input current from the battery to the circuit? Also can you give some values to your measurements?
Measure the input current in mA and then add some more LEDs to the output. Did all your LEDs light at the same level? Etc.

Groundloop.

A spark gap from 2 dissimular metals like graphite and copper
produces a galvanic cell when a spark ( plasma) jumps.
The spark acts like the electrolyte in a normal battery.

This way you have a "galvanic battery" in series with your circuit and
can draw "free" electrons from it, which come into your circuit and will
recharge your battery.
You are probably using up the graphite and the other metal due to
oxidation and corrosion, but this is the source of free electrons which will
charge up your batteries.
Quite simple, if you have understood it.
The same effect is true in all the Newman machines, that used big sparking
commutators from copper and graphite brushes..

This way also a direct conversion of graphite can be done to electricity.

Regards, Stefan.

Okay, if just 2 pencils do not work,
then try pencil onto copper.
Or pencil onto lead solder.