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Author Topic: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time  (Read 155768 times)

Offline innovation_station

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 04:52:35 PM »
i dont think i need to fill this thred with my words

do i ??


radient engery   conversion ......      nuf said

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 05:14:23 PM »
i dont think i need to fill this thred with my words

do i ??

Well, yes, clearly you do think you need to fill this threAd with your words,
as we can all see you do so.
... bit of an odd post... ;)

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radient engery   conversion ......      nuf said

right... that makes a lot of sense...
So first you post a remark saying that you don't need to post,
which is like saying you're not saying anything,
and then you seem to suggest that "radiant energy conversion"
is the obvious explanation and doesn't need any more elaboration...

anyone can shout "it's radiant energy!".
That doesn't mean a thing.
At least explain how you think it relates to this "radiant energy"?

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 10:53:07 PM »
Holy crap, he's posting garbage here too?

IST put up or shut up, I believe is the saying. If you have nothing to say - don't. If you are just looking for attention this is a wrong outlet to begin with.


@ zon,

In my version I did not use a 1N diode yet the LED(s) would light up. I actually made that "Bedinified" version of the circuit hoping to drive 20-30 LEDs in parallel. Suffice to say it works, but they are not as bright as I'd like them to be (as bright as a super-bright LED connected to a standard 3.5V source for example).

Now there are two different wirings I tested, and my goal was low mA consumption so that the battery lasts days not hours. If the LEDs are  connected to the positive lead of the battery then they consume low mAs, but if you connect them to the negative lead of the battery then they end up in the overdrive (blinding light as well, hehe).

I've noticed that the difference between the two wiring setups when it comes to mA consumption is sometimes factor of 10x (20mA vs 200mA). Of course I was not happy with having 200mA, overdriven LEDs and a quite hot transistor. :)

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2008, 10:53:07 PM »
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2008, 07:27:00 AM »
Koen1:

Just some info for you, and the others.  Over in the earth battery topic back when we were experimenting with the multiple electrode approach (as opposed to our self inducting coils now) I was able to light 2 leds (red) from my two electrode earth cell.  This cell put out ( and is still putting out) only 2vdc and 3 mA.  The lights are bright, maybe not max but I have taken photos and video and posted over there.  I actually ran three at one time but two of them were flashing leds.  The leds I used are rated for 1.7 vdc and 20 mA.  I think they are a lot more efficient than most people think.  the output on the earth cell was measured using both my digital and analog meters.  (Just as a side note, we are now getting about 1 vdc at 80 or so mA)

I like the idea of the circuits discussed on this topic here.  I'll bet my college professors (way back then) could not explain why these do what they do.  Unbelievable.  Thanks.

Bill
« Last Edit: March 07, 2008, 06:45:59 PM by Pirate88179 »

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2008, 06:27:22 PM »

Great work guys!


It's becoming clear all this technology is related.  The keys are resonance and switching (to capture radiant energy in negative form from the active vacuum and charge a dipole). 

Fantastic work.  I notice a toroid in your setup.  What kind of core is that?

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2008, 06:41:23 PM »
@ Zon

Can you please detail the winding of your toroid  (bi-filar?)   

Thanks

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2008, 12:45:48 AM »
@ Feynman

You can use a small toroid core or a ferrite bead. I actually did not have a ferrite bead but had small ferrite rings, several stacked together to makeup a bead. On a ferrite bead I do about 20 turns bi-filar wound using 30-34 AWG. For a toroid core in the MAKE video they used plain insulated wire, two lengths of about 10 inches, bi-filar wound to make 7-10 turns.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2008, 01:16:31 AM »
Thanks amigo

I'm wondering how the initial permeability of the toroid effects the circuit.  (What type ferrite?)    I'm also wondering if there is a way to make this self-running (no battery only caps) like the micro-TPU. . .  except lasting longer than an hour or two.

Also in Zon's circuit, it would be nice to see a scope trace, if for nothing else to figure out the output frequency of the conventional positive EM energy.  Also, perhaps increase the electrolytic capacitor value and see if that allows more LEDs to be added either in series or parallel.  . . and whether the additional load lowers the run time, by how much, etc.
test

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2008, 04:16:31 AM »
Okay, I did some research on this tonight.

LEDs will light up with frequency input anywhere from 0 - 250khz pulsed DC.   The highest I tried was 250khz and it probably works into Mhz.  Watching the light, you can't tell the difference;  the LED looks like it's continuously lit.

The current draw for a standard white LED using continuous DC at 6V through a 1k resistor was approx 15-20mA.   Standard 1.5V NiMH battery is about 2000 mAh, so that should run for approx 100 hours in a conventional setup (sound correct?). 








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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2008, 11:13:30 PM »
In my "bedinified" circuit I was running 25 parallel LEDs at a time, but as I said I was not happy with the light illumination. I was using super bright super wide angle white LEDs (these have flat tops) and oscillating frequency depended on the size of the ferrite bead I'd use.

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2008, 12:23:43 AM »
How'd you pick the frequency to send the ferrite?

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2008, 06:26:49 AM »
wow, i return from long holiday, sorry not put notice here.

@Feynman
I take 2 enamelled wire SWG 38 (0.1520mm) and SWG 35 (0.2130mm), same length 120 cm long, bifilar, wound on ferrite
inside diameter 8mm, outside diameter 18 mm, thick 4 mm

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Charging battery, i replace 1N4007 with 1N4148
If you take out the Charging battery/Target battery, the led will lit on for a long-long time

Now, i'll continue eksperiment on charging battery not on led lit on, because charging battery have some interesting and phenomena. :)


zon



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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2008, 11:03:46 AM »
Here is latest my observation on charging system.
New circuits,  faster charging than before.

Result :  Time        Source Battery              Target Battery
             15:05        1.306   Volt                   1.273 Volt
             16:15        1.301   Volt                   1.300 Volt
             17:00        1.298   Volt                   1.311 Volt   <---- More voltage than source battery
             18:45        1.296   Volt                   1.333 Volt


Any suggest , where i put this post , better ?


zon
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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2008, 01:06:02 PM »
@zon: Thank you for posting your circuits and pics! :)
I like your schematic very much, think it's quite an interesting gadget you've
put together there.
Can you do a few measurements of the amperage coming from those batteries?
I ask because I have noticed that, after use, some batteries show a relatively high
residual voltage at very low, near zero, amperage output, but other batteries
seem to show a much lower voltage at a slightly higher amperage...
It appears to have something to do with the exact manner (intensity) at which
the power is "sucked out" by the circuits used...
I have seen people do measurements on batteries and shout "eureka" when
the target battery showed a slightly higher voltage than the source battery,
only to find later (through depletion tests, run measurements on battery output
until they are completely totally empty) that the total energy available in the
target battery was somehow still lower than that in the source battery, even
though the voltage appeared to be higher.
Mind you, I am not trying to discourage you at all, I just want to say:
keep an eye on the total energy gain and the max available amperage
from your batteries as well. ;)

An interesting matter in my opinion is also: can you get this to work
without batteries, but using capacitors instead?
So let's say we have cap1 at voltage x, and cap2 at voltage zero,
and we use cap1 in stead of your source battery, and cap2 in stead of the target.
If you can get a similar circuit to somehow pump more voltage into
cap2 than was originally available in cap1, then I would get the tendency
to shout "eureka". ;D

Keep it up! :)

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Re: Single AA battery to light WHITE LED for long-long time
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2008, 02:59:41 PM »
Thanks zon for posting the pictures and measurements.

This circuit is *really* interesting.  You would think it's impossible for a source potential to charge a destination potential higher than itself. These might be Bedini/RE type effects.  I am going to try to replicate the 'Zon circuit'; I am curious what it looks like on the scope.

@Koen
Thanks for the clarification regarding battery depletion and potential. That is valuable information.  Let's hope Zon is indeed seeing some form of vacuum resonance.


 

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