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Offline one

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 12:15:07 AM »
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Application Fees: (for a small entity)
Filing:             $155
Claims:            $105
Search:           $255
Examination    $105
SubTotal:         $620    (due with filing)

Issuance Fee:  $720  (due if patent is granted)

Total Cost:         $1340

Maintenance Fees:  (small entity)
4 yr:      $465
8 yr:      $1180
12 yr:      $1955



These might  be all the fees in theory  .........but how  often  does it work that easy ?

In reality  the patent  office is another level of supression.

If  you invent a new kind  of widget or thingamabob    these  costs  should apply .

If  you  invent a new  OU device   you  can be sure that they will not apply .

The patent  office does not   patent anything that  may be  classified  as perpetual motion. 

In  my opinion  it  will take a very  good patent  layer to  find a way to sneak through the prosess without  raising any  red flags .


Of cpourse  if you  do manage to get  it through the prosess .  There is another layer of supression waiting .

The military  has  people that  review  patents   before they  are issued .
If   one of these people  recognise   a possable military  advantage   in   your  application   they  have the  ability to classify it .      From  that point on   if you try to make  money  from it or even talk about it  you  can be locked  up for treason..

Of course any  OU  device  would  give  any   country a big  advantage in time of war IF they can keep that knowledge  to themselves .
Because of this  I  can't see  ANY  country  willingly  releasing   any  OU  informtion that they may have.

The  only way that it can  come out  is  if the little people do it...........and if it is known internationaly

If  you   put  OU in the hands  of  the little guy .......for the most part he  will use it  to improve his own life.

If you put  it in the hands  of big business . .... they will use it  to  make greater  profits  ....... there  will be  little  or no  chance of them sharing  this knowledge .

If you   put  OU in the hands of the goverment  ...... it will end up  being  used for war .



I am  voting for the little guy .


:)

 

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2008, 12:15:07 AM »

Offline AbbaRue

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2008, 06:24:04 AM »
Say someone on this forum invented a free energy device that really worked well and was easy to duplicate.
Say they shared it with everyone on this forum and didn't file for a patent on it.
I fear someone might steal the idea, file a patent on it, and prevent anyone else on this forum from utilizing it.
There must be a way to prevent this from happening.
Now if the inventor filed a patent and then shared it with everyone on this forum, then he/she could prevent this from happening.

So from this perspective getting a patent would be very wise, just so no one can prevent everyone here from using it.
And if someone were to go through the trouble of doing so, I think all of use should help that person regain their money.
At least all that use the invention.




Offline capthook

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 08:40:20 AM »
Hey Abba -

You seem interested in Patents.  You should spend a few hours/days on the USPTO site educating yourself - I think you will find it interesting and rewarding.

From the USPTO in regards to your last post:
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"If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere in the world, or if it was known or used by others in this country before the date that the applicant made his/her invention, a patent cannot be obtained. If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere, or has been in public use or on sale in this country more than one year before the date on which an application for patent is filed in this country, a patent cannot be obtained. In this connection it is immaterial when the invention was made, or whether the printed publication or public use was by the inventor himself/herself or by someone else. If the inventor describes the invention in a printed publication or uses the invention publicly, or places it on sale, he/she must apply for a patent before one year has gone by, otherwise any right to a patent will be lost. The inventor must file on the date of public use or disclosure, however, in order to preserve patent rights in many foreign countries.

Even if the subject matter sought to be patented is not exactly shown by the prior art, and involves one or more differences over the most nearly similar thing already known, a patent may still be refused if the differences would be obvious. The subject matter sought to be patented must be sufficiently different from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be nonobvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology related to the invention. For example, the substitution of one color for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable. "

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html#whatpat
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CH

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2008, 08:40:20 AM »
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Offline klicUK

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2008, 12:01:42 PM »
Surely the scary thing is what happens if you "re-invent" a device.

If you publish details of how to replicate what you believe is your own invention as an open-source project, and it turns out that somewhere in the archives there is a patent that describes pretty much the same idea, then you have unknowingly infringed that patent and by the sound of it, you are liable to prosecution.


Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 08:38:05 PM »
Surely the scary thing is what happens if you "re-invent" a device.

If you publish details of how to replicate what you believe is your own invention as an open-source project, and it turns out that somewhere in the archives there is a patent that describes pretty much the same idea, then you have unknowingly infringed that patent and by the sound of it, you are liable to prosecution.

That is not very scary.  All you are going to get is a cease and desist notice, which you should obey, and then everything will probably be fine.  Lawsuits generally only happen when there are sales of the infringing device.

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 08:38:05 PM »
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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Patent Laws
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 01:49:16 AM »
TRIZ is a neuro-logical program to learn to become creative;
the TRIZ-Mentor,Mr. Altschuller, did research the global patent sources and concluded that more/less
95% of all human problem solutions are publicated !
For  problem defining/analyzing  and  solution execution he,Mr. Altschuller, envolved a Matrix with
35 Parameters.

The problem with patents is that the objekt can be different known than in conventional manner:
a wheel could be known , as patent theme "vehicle disc" or "road equipment", so that somebody
with only commercial interests would have to spent many hours of time for search or many money
to let search by a professional archive detective, without guarantee that the publication will become
"Technical Standart" ! "Technical Standart"  versus "Patent-Objekt-Translation-Standart".
espacenet: +/- 30.000.000 publications

CdL 

 

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