Author Topic: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device (Read 36605 times)

shruggedatlas · « **Reply #45 on:** March 02, 2008, 05:09:30 PM »

Quote from: gurangax on March 02, 2008, 12:41:19 PM

sorry to keep you waiting. I know that you are eager to know how my supposed to work device should work. so without further delay here it is. You may use it for what ever pleasure you want with it. Maybe you already know about this stuff but I found this myself without anyones help.

-regards-

How can it help to merely hold the weight? You actually have to lift the weight to get it back up to the top in order to insure that the wheel will keep running. Maybe I am missing something.

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #46 on:** March 02, 2008, 06:41:56 PM »

@ PM,

Habe nicht gesagt was Du da hast ist Mist. Kann ich doch garnicht weil ich nicht weiss was Du machst.

Der Mist ist uns zu erzaehlen Du hast die Loesung gefunden und dann nichts veroeffentlichen, nur damit prahlen.

Das kann Jeder.

Hans von Lieven

@ PM

I never said what you have there is rubbish. I cannot do this since I don't know what you have done.

Where the rubbish comes in is in telling us you have found the solution and not tell us anything about it apart from bragging.

Anyone can do that.

Hans von Lieven

aleks · « **Reply #47 on:** March 02, 2008, 09:36:33 PM »

Quote from: hansvonlieven on March 02, 2008, 03:03:59 AM

Good man aleks,
Keep thinking along those lines. Keely was miles ahead of us as far as acoustics are concerned. Good luck with your research

Thanks. Well, the tube is not necessarily driven by random (heat) movements of atoms. As we know, atoms themselves have orbits where electrons reside and rotate. This can also be considered a random movement since electrons of any two given atoms do not have to be in sync. In that case it must be possible to create some 'microstructure' that resonates to a sum of such movements: it may be an electrostatic resonance (like a membrane in an electrostatic loudspeaker) - also, it's a known fact that diode-based fullwave rectifier with a couple of capacitances can produce a DC voltage from random voltage oscillations - they just need to be greater than ambient heat noise. Then this resonance - after leaving the atom scale - can be fed to ultrasonic resonators and then down to audible range in the same 'reduction gear' fashion I've mentioned already.

Moreover, I've remembered some research I've read about which dealt with "electric-acoustic" bridge and various phenomemons that surround it. Simply put, ultrasonic acoustic waves affect electric behavior of matter and likewise electric fields cause ultrasonic acoustic waves within matter. So, Keely's findings (even if just in the form of rumors) and some of the modern research are in concordance to some degree - so somebody will be able to replicate his device sooner or later. It is indeed interesting because if such 'energy source' possible, it should possible to create matter we need by reversing the function.

gurangax · « **Reply #48 on:** March 03, 2008, 11:02:35 AM »

I know that this is what probably you will think. I did not give the full answer. Look again with 6 arms/6 weights. the arms and weights should be in multiplies of 3. ie 3,6,9,12... etc.

-regards-

gurangax · « **Reply #49 on:** March 03, 2008, 11:06:41 AM »

Quote from: shruggedatlas on March 02, 2008, 05:09:30 PM

Quote from: gurangax on March 02, 2008, 12:41:19 PM
sorry to keep you waiting. I know that you are eager to know how my supposed to work device should work. so without further delay here it is. You may use it for what ever pleasure you want with it. Maybe you already know about this stuff but I found this myself without anyones help.

-regards-

How can it help to merely hold the weight? You actually have to lift the weight to get it back up to the top in order to insure that the wheel will keep running. Maybe I am missing something.

you miss it. look again, I answered this in the second method. You also need to see how the weight holder is designed.

gurangax · « **Reply #50 on:** March 03, 2008, 11:09:44 AM »

Quote from: Joh70 on March 02, 2008, 01:27:02 PM

Hi gurangax,

THANKS for your Document. You spend a lot of time to think over.

Unfortunately i am not convinced.

The wheel turns, when parking a ball. But only half a revolution. Then how should a ramp like yours lift a ball back up again??? I cannot see that.

The idea of using a ramp was comming often, for example from P_M last week. Have a look at the following thread:

"Bessler Build"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3925.0.html

Designs which use a ramp (means friction) as main principle will not work.

Also the combinations with any other stuff like External-Ball-Holder or SMOT somewhere, is an unfinished invention.

Thats the reason, why somebody should proof their ideas by building a model, before cause attraction to it. This, and only this, teaches the inventor. No other way to success.

Thank you.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #51 on:** March 03, 2008, 02:54:18 PM »

Hi gurangax,
thanks for posting your DOC file,
but it is very confusing to me.
First you should state, that the wheel
is supposed to turn counter clockwise and
not clockwise, as I am used to see these wheels..

Also the DOC file loads and displays differently in
Word and OppenOffice, so it is best to post a PDF file.

2. Your idea with the weight holder is a bit confusing to me
as I don?t yet see, how you will release again the stored weight
and when and how it will go up then again ?

Maybe it would be best to draw up a GIF animation and post this.
Okay, this would take some time to draw it up
and then convert the single pics to a GIF animation,
but this way it would get much better clear, what you mean
and one could easily see, if the weights are right positioned, so the
wheel could keep turning on and on.

3. The idea with the additional SMOT ramp would mean
another input from the magnetic ramps, so it is not
only anymore a pure gravity wheel, what you wanted to present.
But okay, if it only would work with the right SMOT ramp inside it,
then you have to include it in your animation.

Well, so please maybe post an update
with an animation, so it is getting better clear how
the stored weight is going up again.
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

Scorpile · « **Reply #52 on:** March 03, 2008, 07:35:44 PM »

Ok, this is what i was thinking. This model is from other people but it's the same concept i had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRRzVHLs4bU

To solve the tendency of the magnets to flip, i taugh the way that toy (i can't remember it's name) that make things to float was done.

Also this gave me some ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related

Scorpile · « **Reply #53 on:** March 03, 2008, 07:51:01 PM »

This is the most promising as i can see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zGh64Eo8yk&feature=related

Scorpile · « **Reply #54 on:** March 03, 2008, 08:35:45 PM »

Then i found this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related

I see that the ball goes up so strong, that with a sloted route in the wheel, it also can help it to spin, and use all the force of the ball at the end to release it.

aleks · « **Reply #55 on:** March 03, 2008, 09:27:28 PM »

Quote from: Scorpile on March 03, 2008, 07:35:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related

On this one, just an idea. First of all, make it a bit bigger radius ring and make sure it elevates a bit. It should look like a paper ring that was cut with scissors with one end lifted a bit against the other. This should work I guess. The problem will still be about "escaping" the last V magnet segment. This can probably resolved using a pretty simple trick. You may arrange a simple mechanical lever that - when "flying magnet" strikes - pulls a magnetic shielding foil under the flying magnet. This should help to use the velocity of the flying magnet to escape the last V stage, and probably should help it to land on the start of the ring. During landing another mechanical lever can be used to pull the foil back.

In order to extract usable energy out of this device you have to add an axis in the center of the ring attached to a small generator. This axis should be connected with the flying magnet. Generator should be small enough so that it does not stop the magnet from flying. You may connect the generator to a LED.

Just an idea - not sure it will work. (one bit that worries me is that when magnetic shielding foil is pulled under the flying magnet, the flying magnet will be trying to get back. The only hope it has enough velocity when it strikes the lever). On the other hand, you may try to make a more 'clever' mechanism that pulls two blades of shielding foil from both sides, with blades being triangular so that the flying magnet slides into the correct side. Of course, the segment where this happens should be at least horizontal or the magnet will fall back from the elevation into the wrong side.

gurangax · « **Reply #56 on:** March 04, 2008, 11:19:00 AM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on March 03, 2008, 02:54:18 PM

Hi gurangax,
thanks for posting your DOC file,
but it is very confusing to me.
First you should state, that the wheel
is supposed to turn counter clockwise and
not clockwise, as I am used to see these wheels..

Also the DOC file loads and displays differently in
Word and OppenOffice, so it is best to post a PDF file.

2. Your idea with the weight holder is a bit confusing to me
as I don?t yet see, how you will release again the stored weight
and when and how it will go up then again ?

Maybe it would be best to draw up a GIF animation and post this.
Okay, this would take some time to draw it up
and then convert the single pics to a GIF animation,
but this way it would get much better clear, what you mean
and one could easily see, if the weights are right positioned, so the
wheel could keep turning on and on.

3. The idea with the additional SMOT ramp would mean
another input from the magnetic ramps, so it is not
only anymore a pure gravity wheel, what you wanted to present.
But okay, if it only would work with the right SMOT ramp inside it,
then you have to include it in your animation.

Well, so please maybe post an update
with an animation, so it is getting better clear how
the stored weight is going up again.
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

Ok stefan, I'll try do some animation. using the design in my doc it should rotate anti clockwise. What I mean there is that it can also be designed to turn clockwise. Using a SMOT device is not necessary but it will help the weight to climb the ramp faster.

Also I just found the third method which would not use a ramp, but I am still perfecting it and it will be much more promising. (Afterall this whole idea is still new to me).

-regards-

p.s the secret why we still can not achieve perpetual motion with gravity wheel system is that because of we tend to attach the weight to the system when regauging.

gurangax · « **Reply #57 on:** March 04, 2008, 11:37:13 AM »

Quote from: Scorpile on March 03, 2008, 08:35:45 PM

Then i found this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU&feature=related

I see that the ball goes up so strong, that with a sloted route in the wheel, it also can help it to spin, and use all the force of the ball at the end to release it.

Thanks. That's probably a SMOT ramp. And it can help in my design.
-regards-

gurangax · « **Reply #58 on:** March 07, 2008, 06:08:25 AM »

Greetings perpetual seekers

Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks

-regards-
Charles

p.s My gravity wheel theory won't end here.

CLaNZeR · « **Reply #59 on:** March 07, 2008, 07:27:49 PM »

Quote from: gurangax on March 07, 2008, 06:08:25 AM

Greetings perpetual seekers

Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks

Hi Charles

Looking forward to the next Doc and tell you what I will have a go at building it, if the wheel does not have to be too big, looks simple enough.

What size were you thinking?

Cheers

Sean.

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