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hartiberlin

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2008, 08:58:32 AM »
P.S: Have again a look at this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1213.0.html

If I ever get the time to work further on this to find the
right ratio of spring constant, wheel weight, wheel RPM
and ball weight this thing will accelerate to destruction !

Maybe someone else with a WorkingModel 2D installation can try this ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2008, 10:57:45 AM »
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.

So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.

-regards-

p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here
« Last Edit: February 29, 2008, 11:22:02 AM by gurangax »

gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2008, 11:13:56 AM »
Greetings to all.

Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.


You have a lot to learn my boy !

Hans von Lieven


Thank you. Can you teach me?

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 11:53:07 AM »
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.

So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.

-regards-

p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here

Hi gurangax,
energy conservation ?
I can only imagine conservation of the conversion of kinetic energy ( movement of the weights)
into potential energy ( stored spring energy) and pulling the weights back up.

When you told us,
you want to get a weight out of`the wheel when it is down,
how do you get it up again afterwards ?
Do you split the weights up into smaller parts and move them up in smaller weight pieces but more in
the same time ?
Or how should this work ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2008, 12:20:14 AM »
Hi gurangax,

nice three-ball-design (your .doc).

in this stage, it will not work, as you also mentioned. You are invited to tell us your ideas. i am interested. So what are the "few techniques how to make this wheel unbalanced" ?

As i see, you read the Chas Campell thread. More at the end of this thread, he tried this snookers wheel. he takes out a ball and wants to carry it up the other side by setting it more inside rolling over a ramp. obviously you read this thread. we already discussed it in detail and it will not work this way. this snookers wheel is not his first wheel, which works in my opinion. but he is not sharing it. this gives you the chance to put in your competence.

Do you have a working modell already or do you have seen one somewhere in your country?

Kind regards,

Johannes

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2008, 12:59:54 AM »
Gurangax,

The only idea that come in my mind to make the well work is the ball that go up must be as near as possible on the shaft while the other ball that come down need to be at the radius position. But I have no idea how you can do it without balancing the wheel!

Please tell us what you have found.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2008, 02:29:27 AM »
Greetings to all.

Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.


You have a lot to learn my boy !

Hans von Lieven


Thank you. Can you teach me?

http://keelytech.com

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2008, 02:38:20 AM »
Anyone care to post the Images here?  As when I try to open the file, i get an

"unable to load graphics conversion filter".   (wordpad 5.1)     What would cause this?
Any way to fix it?


 Thanks

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2008, 03:34:01 AM »
nevermind.  got it now.  m$ sucks.

gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2008, 11:00:07 AM »
Hi gurangax,

nice three-ball-design (your .doc).

in this stage, it will not work, as you also mentioned. You are invited to tell us your ideas. i am interested. So what are the "few techniques how to make this wheel unbalanced" ?

As i see, you read the Chas Campell thread. More at the end of this thread, he tried this snookers wheel. he takes out a ball and wants to carry it up the other side by setting it more inside rolling over a ramp. obviously you read this thread. we already discussed it in detail and it will not work this way. this snookers wheel is not his first wheel, which works in my opinion. but he is not sharing it. this gives you the chance to put in your competence.

Do you have a working modell already or do you have seen one somewhere in your country?

Kind regards,

Johannes

Hi

sorry I didn't read all of his thread as I am very new to this forum. Care to tell me what exactly the setup that you mention. link me to the thread. I'll look into it if there is anything that resembles my idea.

p.s I do think my design is a must work. Since all of you guys seems not to know how this is possible then maybe I am the only one in this forum who knows. Time will tell.

-regards-

-edit-

It is not a ball. It's a cylindrical weight. But you can also use a spherical weight. I dont think there is any perpetual devices in my country. I am about the only person in the country who have interest in this area of stuff. I've never seen it or ever made it. It's just a must work theory which I found.


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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2008, 11:05:11 AM »
Greetings to all.

Thanks to some emails now I can see things clearer. I'm not concerned anymore about the prize money. It means nothing. But like I told you guys in the previous post I don't like to give the answer directly. You must think before I give you my answer.


You have a lot to learn my boy !

Hans von Lieven


Thank you. Can you teach me?

http://keelytech.com

Hans von Lieven

hi

the link is dead, but I think I've been there before. Sorry for bothering you

gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2008, 11:06:34 AM »
Gurangax,

The only idea that come in my mind to make the well work is the ball that go up must be as near as possible on the shaft while the other ball that come down need to be at the radius position. But I have no idea how you can do it without balancing the wheel!

Please tell us what you have found.

Hi

nice try but not the best answer.

gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2008, 11:08:39 AM »
the wheel stops, only this do not moan of the grandpa!
a quiet grandpa and a shifting wheel would be better!
"working model" is a programme, themselves he does not have this ...

joh, Malaysia ist sehr weit, schau die lieber die deutschen sachen an.

hi

If you have the time and are interested, It will be a good thing if you will model an animation of my supposed to work device after I gave the solution. Many thanks

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2008, 11:17:10 AM »
Nice try Stefan. But that's not my answer. It does have something to do with energy conservation. and easy to build. If you are in Besslers time what would you probably do. We need to think out of the box. There is an easy explanation to this.

So any one else care to try? And I do think there is a magnetic apparatus which may help but not neccessary.

-regards-

p.s I'll give the answer when I see more interested people like you here

Hi gurangax,
energy conservation ?
I can only imagine conservation of the conversion of kinetic energy ( movement of the weights)
into potential energy ( stored spring energy) and pulling the weights back up.

When you told us,
you want to get a weight out of`the wheel when it is down,
how do you get it up again afterwards ?
Do you split the weights up into smaller parts and move them up in smaller weight pieces but more in
the same time ?
Or how should this work ?

Regards, Stefan.

hi stefan

It will work as I have told you. You can explain it with standard physics. And I don't like the idea of splitting it up. I told a friend of yours about this. so I think he will tell you what I told him. Like I told you it is VERY simple.

Thanks a lot.

p.s The answer will be revealed soon. But first I need to check something else

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2008, 03:27:04 PM »
Hi Gurangax,
when will you reveal it ?

Are you somehow modifying your cylinder-masses on each side of the wheel ?
Please tell us now, how it should work. If it is not too complicated we can try to model it in
Working Model 2D simulation software and can check it, if it really will work.
If it will work, we will make sure, that you as the inventor will be soon famous and can make a lot of money by being famous.
So dont wait and post your ideas. What are you waiting for ?
Many thanks, regards, Stefan.