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Author Topic: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device  (Read 27998 times)

Offline helmut

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #60 on: March 07, 2008, 07:30:36 PM »
Greetings perpetual seekers

Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks

-regards-
Charles

p.s My gravity wheel theory won't end here.

Hi Charles
This sounds to good to be thrue
Cant wait to see the plans.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #61 on: March 07, 2008, 10:53:02 PM »
@gurangax

I have been working along the lines you have indicated but there is much more to it then you are saying.

Here is my version 1.0.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3070.msg45101.html#msg45101

I will be making my version 2 in the month of April because I have too many projects right now. But in general, material choice, weight size, etc., are things to consider as well as making at least three things happen at the same time to keep the wheel off balance.

The only reason the wheel currently does not turn in my view is the wheel itself is too heavy and the version 2 will be made in 1" thick plastic and the balls will be 1" diameter instead of the 3/4" diameter. This will impart more weight movement to wheel weight ratio that is critical.

Wheel balance itself is prime without the weights.

But to clarify one point you said in your first post of money, you will get no money for this because it will never produce 50 watts, or 1 watt. Such wheels are working on an off balance that is sooooooooo slight that there will never be any torque available to make 50 watts, measured on an actual drag creating load.

I was hoping you had something so incredible (as you were touting it) that even the aliens around the universe would come here to learn, but unfortunately, there is nothing in what you have shown that can qualify in any way to winning the OU prize.

All the best.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2008, 04:40:45 PM by wattsup »

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2008, 01:18:05 AM »
Greetings all.

You can think what you must think. I know how my design works. I had experience building a non working one before. This I understand. So without further delay. I present you my masterpiece. I've look into your design wattsup, that won't work. that's using 1 axis and get power from the wheel it self. it won't work like that.

-regards-

p.s why limit the post size to 50K??

sorry guys, I'm in a hurry need to go somewhere else. My file is bigger than 50K and can not post it here. I'll send it when I've reduced the file.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #62 on: March 08, 2008, 01:18:05 AM »
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Offline gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2008, 01:20:55 AM »
Greetings perpetual seekers

Just to inform you that I have perfected the design of my wheel. And I can gurantee 95% of the time the wheel will have a one sided torque. It also can rotate clockwise or anticlockwise. But I figured that it won't benefit much by doing that. I'll post the document when I'm finished writing it. Also if you use the second method of my wheel combined with magnetic ramp like SMOT it will produce perpetual motion for sure. But that will be called magnetic assisted gravity wheel. Thanks

Hi Charles

Looking forward to the next Doc and tell you what I will have a go at building it, if the wheel does not have to be too big, looks simple enough.

What size were you thinking?

Cheers

Sean.



Theoretically any size can be built, but you will have to scale it up/down to an to a suitable condition.

-regards-

p.s Well I think it's simple enough for me.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #64 on: March 08, 2008, 10:55:45 AM »
Greetings all

Since I can't reduce the file I'll just make 4 zipped files in 4 post. So this would be the first part

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
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Offline gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #65 on: March 08, 2008, 10:59:33 AM »
This is the 2nd part

Offline gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2008, 11:00:36 AM »
This is the 3rd part

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Offline gurangax

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2008, 11:01:24 AM »
This is the last part.

-regards-
Charles

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2008, 05:40:44 PM »
@gurangax

Thanks for your document which I have reviewed. After review, I still do not see this working regardless of chains on the weights attached at the axle, with levers or sliders. All of these will consume energy through friction. This energy is not available from the left side even if the left top ball is farthest out, it is not enough.

The main flaw in the design is by turning counterclockwise, there will always have at one time or another two balls on the right side of the working center line, and this alone will kill it. Trying to lift the weight will create more countering.

I encourage others to first make drawings showing the wheel at ever 2 degrees, placing the weights in their respective positions and calculating if at each 2 degree there is always an imbalance favoring the direction of rotation. If there is one of the 2 degrees that does not favor this, then this single point will slowly eat away at the momentum until it stops.

But in all these designs, the inventor will see things that others will not and only when you have made your design will you realize it. So I do encourage you to make the wheel and see for yourself. This IS the best way to learn.

However, your indication of 3, 6, 9 is interesting and deserves some study, simply for the use of odd numbers in motion. I will look into it in my design and if it passes the 2 degree test, I could consider it.

All the best.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2008, 05:50:01 AM »
@gurangax

Thanks for your document which I have reviewed. After review, I still do not see this working regardless of chains on the weights attached at the axle, with levers or sliders. All of these will consume energy through friction. This energy is not available from the left side even if the left top ball is farthest out, it is not enough.

The main flaw in the design is by turning counterclockwise, there will always have at one time or another two balls on the right side of the working center line, and this alone will kill it. Trying to lift the weight will create more countering.

I encourage others to first make drawings showing the wheel at ever 2 degrees, placing the weights in their respective positions and calculating if at each 2 degree there is always an imbalance favoring the direction of rotation. If there is one of the 2 degrees that does not favor this, then this single point will slowly eat away at the momentum until it stops.

But in all these designs, the inventor will see things that others will not and only when you have made your design will you realize it. So I do encourage you to make the wheel and see for yourself. This IS the best way to learn.

However, your indication of 3, 6, 9 is interesting and deserves some study, simply for the use of odd numbers in motion. I will look into it in my design and if it passes the 2 degree test, I could consider it.

All the best.

Hi wattsup

I'll prove the device works as stated. (do you know how torque works??)

-regards-

p.s see ya all in a maximum of 4 months (after I build the device).

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2008, 02:47:02 PM »
It sounds promising to me, cause the ball in the outer diameter should offer more torque than rotating the chain to pull up the weight in the inner diameter, plus transfering the weight to that inner circle at that point.

I should add, that you could use a ramp of magnets at bottom in repulsion with the weight to help the center lift up the weight with less torque.

Well... for me it sounds good and maybe could work... you don't need 4 months to build this, just use wood and you'll have your basig setup probably in 2 days.  It should show you if your idea is possible or not, before building a better one.

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2008, 08:49:40 AM »
I also think this will work... nice invention there gurangax. :)

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Re: The secret of a working perpetual motion gravity powered device
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2008, 07:02:12 AM »
Greetings perpetual seekers

Just to inform you guys that my previous design doesn't work. To be specific, the top weight will not have enough torque to lift the weight at the bottom right. The weight on the bottom left was enough to lift the weight at the top though. And after a month of doing nothing, I finally get my hands on this field again and I found some interesting approach as how to move the weight at the top to the left side. It is still new to me thanks to some pages in this forum which leads me to the MT drawings.

I can post it here if you guys are interested.
-regards-

Charles

 

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