Author Topic: Gaussian gun energy gain (Read 11626 times)

futuristic · « **on:** February 23, 2008, 10:30:33 PM »

Hi guys and girls.

I'm not quite sure if this is the right forum for my experiment but I didn't find any better

So here it goes... I was playing today with my Gaussian gun and decided to measure energy gain.

Well as you will see on video I droped the steel ball from height of 0,5cm and it went up to the 4cm

See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqZKh0NGqco

Bye,
Frenky

gyulasun · « **Reply #1 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:05:57 PM »

Hi Frenky,

Great vidoe/experiment, thank you!

Would like to ask if you drop the ball from only 0.1cm height, will it not reach the 4cm height?
And likely, if you drop it from higher than 0.5cm height, it would be able to go higher?

Have you been thinking on closing the loop? seems pretty easy?

Thanks, Gyula

jikwan · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:35:08 PM »

awesome, man good show almost unbelievable

Joh70 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:41:52 PM »

thanks for the video. shows that magnets can do work.

but only once. this means not more than hanging a weight on a strong magnet, which works also continously, as we all know.

cloosing the loop is impossible, because ball sticks on the magnet as long it is removed with effort. to reload the system, you need the same energy as you get out.

Omnibus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2008, 11:51:13 PM »

@Joh70,

Correct. Except that when hanging a weight on a strong magnet the work is also done once and not continuously as you've stated. Using Gaussian guns isn't a fruitful avenue to pursue when trying to demonstrate violation of CoE.

futuristic · « **Reply #5 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:09:45 AM »

Hi.

@gyulasun:
"Would like to ask if you drop the ball from only 0.1cm height, will it not reach the 4cm height? "
Just tested it. It still does, but I it needs more time to get to the magnet and cause I'm inpatient man I was rather using 0.5cm

"And likely, if you drop it from higher than 0.5cm height, it would be able to go higher?"
It does, but not much. Attraction of magnet plays main role here. It gives it the real speed.
And besides if you put to much speed you would get just basic Newton's Cradle.

@Joh70 & Omnibus
"closing the loop is impossible, because ball sticks on the magnet as long it is removed with effort. to reload the system, you need the same energy as you get out."

Not necessary if you say "Gravity would you be so kind to help me out"

(I have a plan for continuous movement, but not totaly electricity free)

P.S.
Sory for my poor English

Joh70 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:24:26 PM »

the weight continously wants to fall to earth. hanging on a magnet, the magnet continously produces a force which neutralizes the weight force down (*9.81) and maybe more. IN THIS SENCE - on a quantum-mechanics level - work is done continously, although its not possible to lead out energy for other purposes this simple way (as we all know).

Omnibus · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:36:17 PM »

Quote from: Joh70 on February 24, 2008, 07:24:26 PM

the weight continously wants to fall to earth. hanging on a magnet, the magnet continously produces a force which neutralizes the weight force down (*9.81) and maybe more. IN THIS SENCE - on a quantum-mechanics level - work is done continously, although its not possible to lead out energy for other purposes this simple way (as we all know).

Quantum mechanics has nothing to do in this case. When the weight is attracted by the magnet the magnet doesn't do any work. It isn't true that the table continuously does work because it doesn't allow the vase to fall on the floor.

futuristic · « **Reply #8 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:54:30 PM »

Please take look at my idea of going further with this:
(http://www4.slikomat.com/08/0224/9f1-ani-gu.gif)

1. 3 balls on the left are attracted to the magnet, 1 ball on the right is to far away to be attracted
2. As rotor rotates slightly to the left, the ball on the left rolls to the magnet and first ball on the left fires away and hits the wall (perhaps spring on the wall), this gives a push for rotation.
3.rotation
4.rotation
5.rotation
6.rotation
7. This is the position where gravity is pulling lower ball of the magnet but surely not enough to pull it of. So coil wrapped under magnet is charged for a moment so that magnet releases the ball.
8.rotation
1. Off we go again

And I would put two channels of this kind on the rotor to balance the weight. One at the top and one at the bottom. Or maybe 4 for each side.

Omnibus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2008, 08:01:13 PM »

@futuristic,

The only way to convince anyone in the viability of the above is to produce a working model and have independent parties reproduce it. There are numerous ideas such as this one that count not one bit and are rightfully ignored by the community.

futuristic · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2008, 08:14:36 PM »

Sure I understand. I have already made a plan what I need to buy and how will I make this device.
I have made some devices in the past so this shouldn't be a problem. (http://picasaweb.google.com/kfrenky/NewmansMotor)

I will report back how it goes even if it shows to be total disaster.

Omnibus · « **Reply #11 on:** February 24, 2008, 08:19:42 PM »

Quote from: futuristic on February 24, 2008, 08:14:36 PM

Sure I understand. I have already made a plan what I need to buy and how will I make this device.
I have made some devices in the past so this shouldn't be a problem. (http://picasaweb.google.com/kfrenky/NewmansMotor)

I will report back how it goes even if it shows to be total disaster.

Good luck in your experiments. Hope you'll find something positive to report.

argona369 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2008, 08:42:11 PM »

Make a U shaped track.
Put another magnet on the other end of the
Ball train like this,
X=magnet O=ball

O?

..XOOOOXO?

..

If it?s overunity it would oscillate more and more.

futuristic · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2008, 09:06:30 PM »

This doesn't work. When first ball hits the magnet the last ball won't fly out because magnet is holding it to strong.
That is the reason for using 4 balls in the basic Gaussian gun. The 4th ball is not attracted to magnet so it can fly out.

argona369 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 25, 2008, 07:59:17 AM »

Quote from: futuristic on February 24, 2008, 09:06:30 PM

This doesn't work. When first ball hits the magnet the last ball won't fly out because magnet is holding it to strong.
That is the reason for using 4 balls in the basic Gaussian gun. The 4th ball is not attracted to magnet so it can fly out.

ok, then maybe this?

O............OOOXOOOOXOOOO.............

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