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Author Topic: Temperature of the WATER Key to massive HHO production?  (Read 10043 times)

Offline bubblemonkey2

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Temperature of the WATER Key to massive HHO production?
« on: February 23, 2008, 06:44:12 AM »
Look at this video production below of HHO gas from a single small cell!   Im assuming at this point that all we are seeing is HHO gas and not just boiling air/water, but its hard to tell without some form of solid verification of this video (he doesnt show amps/volts) that its MOSTLY if not all HHO gas.  Im open to opinions about this video, from what i can see it producing more HHO than any cell configuration I have seen thus far.  Looks to be MASSIVE HHO output actually.

I contacted John Aarons about the temperature of the water effecting HHO production.  He agreed that the H20 molecule is easier to break up when the water is warmer = increased production. So just like with liquid fuels why not HEAT the water up in our cells for increased production using the engines OWN heat from say the muffler/manifold?  Seems like cooler cell would be better overall and then my only question was about evaporation of the water in the cell.  If the cell was encased and refilled with a seperate larger water filled bubbler tank, then maybe this wouldnt be an issue as much but both tanks would need to be heated.

I have another theory that maybe its also the the temperature Stainless Steel that is reacting differently not allowing the created HHO gas to cling to the metal thus releasing the bubbles faster and allowing for a replacement HHO cracking bubble to be created in its place?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzULkAOvris

He claimes the only thing he has done was to heat up the water to almost boiling... then running his tube cell he claimed using 12v and 5 or so amps.  (i contacted him)

Whats everyone's take on this??  Maybe we shouldnt be looking for COLD fusing cells, but just below BOILING WATER cells?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2008, 07:21:58 AM by bubblemonkey2 »

Offline mscoffman

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Re: Temperature of the WATER Key to massive HHO production?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 05:42:07 PM »
Bubblemonkey;

My theory is that CF cold fusion and the Stan Myers watercar HHO process are one in the same process.
Both having to do with cavitation phonon's (sound pulse square waves) being deposited into a liquid containing
hydrogen bonds undergoing a chemical reaction. The chemical reaction then is forced to absorb latent
heat from the environment and builds that heat into chemical potential energy of the reaction products
- CF-IECR induced endothermic chemical reaction.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Maxwells_Demon/message/898

I also believe that the CF process is not ZPE zero point energy - so that process energy has to come from
somewhere. So what you are saying makes a lot of sense. But caution, you need to look at what we are saying.
You have to add the heat energy that will be taken out as endothermic process energy. And to produce that
additional heat energy is going to require fuel - so it is not a net gainer, unless the outside environment can
supply an external waste heat stream. In warm weather you will have an external waste heat stream and the
process will save you money, but in a cold climate weather there will not be an external waste heat stream and
the Stan Meyers method will not save you money. So only a mixed fuel/hydrogen system will save money
and only a mixed fuel system will run at all times, using much more hydrocarbon fuel during cold weather.
That is, let say 150MPG during warm weather and 25MPG during cold weather. I think this theory matches
the honest experience in the field. The mixed hydrogen + fuel systems are successful but the pure watercars
are not...Specialised tank carburetors that work in the North African Desert but won't work in Canada and so
on. 

HHO systems are opportunistic energy and without storage are not a direct substitute for fueled systems.
By the way, the waste heat of an internal combustion engine is not a external waste heat stream, the HHO
process is going to need to be suppling that engines waste energy too, so it is only latent heat energy in storage.

MarkSCoffman


 
 



Offline bubblemonkey2

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Re: Temperature of the WATER Key to massive HHO production?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 09:18:41 PM »
Thanks for the reply.

interesting points about myers, and the radio wave and pulse theories... One thing I remember one researcher saying was that with Myers method the water was not heating up as normal cells would under that kind of production.. mmmm  So as he said there was something "else" going on with his cells.  Radio waves/pulsing electrical might indeed be the key here.

 I need to study what you are saying and check out those links..from my own research many debunk all those theories, but IMHO that seems to be the missing link in everyone's understanding about the Myers method, how he could generate enough HHO on demand to run the engine ALONE with very little power consumed and strangely from a COOLER cell than normal?

I didn't mean to imply that heating the water would generate enough HHO from the heated cell to run the engine ALONE, but it might be quite a bit more EFFICIENT than ambient temperature cells, and would generate MORE HHO gas from hot/ heated water, thus allowing the engines to be furthere leaned running on a greater concentration of HHO gas vs Gasoline = greater MPG.

As for the outside source and losing MPG in colder weather...yes weather would be an issue to the generator and temperature.of the water...but only temporary effect not long term IMHO, that is if the water temp theory holds it would just take time to heat the water up (engine warms)  Using the manifold seems to me be the most simple available source of heat locally, then circulate the water over the manifold then back to the generator/bubbler

Just like with GASOLINE heaters out there placed on the radiator hose to preheat the liquid fuel,  in this case, the external heat source would come from the HEAT generated by the engine ITSELF as well.  So there wouldn't ever be a real loss of MPG due to the environment.. and colder weather... the only net loss of performance would be the time it takes until the engine manifold heated up enough to start almost boiling the water cycling through the cell(s).

As far as the zero point stuff, this would not be zero point.. I appreciate your ideas on the heat of the engine not being WASTE heat but stored.. interesting... and
I agree that unless we can figure a way with frequencies to split the water in a massive and or quicker way using 12v and around amps,  HHO on demand will only remain an assist type of fuel.  But seems like that's where we are now.  Until then, my point is if the heated celle works BETTER,  why not try to get the MOST out of our current cells through heating the water to almost boiling in the reactors?   Just seems simple to me that if hotter water is "easier" to split and generates MORE hho gas (bang for the buck) then we should be looking at ways to heat our water in the cells.

Another problem I could potentially see in an exclusively powered HHO gas on demand car, is there might not be very much HEAT on the exhaust and or manifold due to the (efficiency of the burn and TDC position of the pistons).. to use to heat the water!  ahhaa.. but thats a whole other issue that would have to be tested..  I guess someone who runs an HHO powered car could answer that... feel free to chime in if you have a HHO powered car...

Like you say the heat would have to come from somewhere in that case.

I like your ideas about the frenquency issues, like that Dr. In FLA who burned water using frenquencies while looking for that cancer cure.. he has proven that it can be done.. trick is for auto owners.. how to do it with 12volts and 5 amps!