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Author Topic: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet  (Read 78843 times)

Offline Koen1

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #75 on: June 23, 2008, 12:37:55 PM »
@Luc: Nice video! :D
Thanks for posting that.
Now where's all the top notch scientists lining up to show us why that can't happen according to electromagnetic theory?
;) ... all busy ordering neo magnets I bet! ;D

@nightlife: yes, I thought of that too. Perhaps not on the same hunch though... ;)
I can't find the info now, but some years back I read the research papers of an inventor,
I believe it was a German physicist or one with a germanic name, who had worked on
electrolysis and had found that he could use iron permanent magnets instead of electrodes;
according to his experiment reports, he simply inserted the opposite poles of an iron
bar magnet into the water and gas bubbles would form and bubble up.
Now of course that is really funky and I have not been able to replicate his claims using my
own ferrite and neo magnets, but the idea of using Lucs neo-assisted-stimulated-spark
in an electrolysis unit is very interesting.... Just imagine we could just drastically boost
gas production by merely adding some neos... :D

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #76 on: June 23, 2008, 05:57:54 PM »
Another thing I think may make for a good test is to wrap the leads with wire that create the spark and see if a collapsing field can be collected between pulses. I am curious about what the voltage and amperage would be from the collapsing field.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #77 on: June 23, 2008, 11:47:49 PM »
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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2008, 04:29:32 AM »
nice demo Luc

when you tried shorting directly to the alligator lead (bypassing the magnet), there was no spark produced?

Hi poynt99, thanks for looking :D,

to answer your question, no it is not possible to use strait 12vdc on an automobile coil and switch it on & off and get a 3/8 of an inch spark, especially one with such force.

However you should not conclude that this is overunity either. It uses power to do this but what is cool is no electronic components are needed to achieve this.

Luc
« Last Edit: June 24, 2008, 04:59:41 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2008, 05:18:47 AM »
Hi gotoluc, I watched your last video and I was wondering if that concept would be a good way for splitting hydrogen from water? I think it would make for a good experiment.
Hi nightlife, thanks for looking ;D

I do have my HHO cell handy and I do try it every time I have a different coil setup but to date I have not found anything special :-[ ...keep in mind that I'm not interested in brute force HHO, so my cell only has distilled water in it.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2008, 01:57:37 AM »
Hello Koen1,

here ist the google-link of Prof. Ehrenhafts Life. He was a scientist living in Vienna ( Austria ) starting his work before World War II. He had to emigrate to USA during the war and returned to Austria. His work on magents causing water to dissociate is different to your intention. The link I add here is page 99 of the book ( unfortunately written in german language ) where you see this setup which is still a little unclear to me, but on thing is important : The magnet dissolved in the region of water-contact, it was used up. Very remakable experiment.

http://books.google.com/books?id=W8GVSqSvSTYC&pg=PA103&hl=de&sig=6cLHW0hC6eu7LxhthDcYGzct54w#PPA99,M2

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2008, 12:53:50 PM »
Yes, that's the guy! :D

Thanks for that link Kator01! :)

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2008, 03:25:36 AM »
Hmmm, tried the experiment, the original one but couldn't see any effect.

I found that the voltage raised depending on how much current was passing through the transformer primary.
If I did it very fast not much current got to flow (due to the mere 12v potential against the coils impedance, mostly inductive as the resistance was very low) and so there was less of a magnetic field to collapse.

If I did it slower up to 7A would flow and would result in a bigger spark and larger voltage increase in the cap.

It didn't seem effected much by adding the neo other than possibly diminished.

I can try other transformers and spark gaps but this duration issue needs to be answered, if the contact is longer with the magnet (possibly by the magnetic field holding the wire to it longer) then more current will be flowing which means a greater magnetic field which means more energy will be discharged into the cap as the field collapses.

I sure hope that this isn't the case as I am hoping for an aetheric cause to the effect but currently it seems very likely.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2008, 05:36:04 AM »
I tried the autoignition coil test, the result is that it is far far easier getting an arc (or at greater gaps only possible) with the magnet.

But sadly it seemed mostly boringly conventional, Dave mentioned that the conduction seemingly had to be through the magnet to get the effect, but I found I can get arc's with the wire not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted, it looks very much like it is just a case of the magnet blowing the arc out which leads to a swifter collapse and hence a greater emf.

The autoignition coil must have had a lower inductance because the length of time the coil was shorted for seemed unimportant.

I can make a video of all of this if anyone wants to see it.

Incidentally I can see the same criticism being leveled at most/all the results JLN found with the Vallee stuff if it includes spark gaps. (note: not all of his stuff did though)

Now Stefan's negative current sounds interesting, but I can't see me really investigating Newman much.
Clearly spark gaps can do very interesting things but based on what I have found so far this isn't. (maybe Dave and Luc have found some thing not explained by these issues, incidentally I can't get Luc's bouncing wire effect, it just welds it's self to the magnet on contact)

BTW Luc did you find that it made any difference if the magnet was on the negative or positive side of the circuit? I had the magnet on the negative side as your diagram shows.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2008, 08:51:59 AM »
incidentally I can't get Luc's bouncing wire effect, it just welds it's self to the magnet on contact)

BTW Luc did you find that it made any difference if the magnet was on the negative or positive side of the circuit? I had the magnet on the negative side as your diagram shows.

Hi aether22,  if you never got the wire to self pulse on the magnet then you have not seen anyting because this whole effect is based on that. You need to pulse the positive side of the DC and if the wire sticks to the magnet then flip the magnet around or pulse the other side. Also, don't pulse the top or bottom of the magnet pulse in the center between the two poles.

Try that and let me know.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2008, 09:09:55 AM »
Hi aether22,  if you never got the wire to self pulse on the magnet then you have not seen anyting because this whole effect is based on that. You need to pulse the positive side of the DC and if the wire sticks to the magnet then flip the magnet around or pulse the other side. Also, don't pulse the top or bottom of the magnet pulse in the center between the two poles.

Try that and let me know.

Luc

Just to clarify I should wire it up as in the diagram, the - is connected to the transformer and magnet, and the + is connected to the bouncing wire?

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2008, 09:38:04 AM »
I managed to get oscillation though it had a tendency to stick to the magnet so I couldn't put much pressure.
it vibrated on the magnet with an audible tone, the frequency seemed too high to get much from the ignition coil (too short a time of current on), I get excellent results by holding two wires above a neo and waving one back and fourth.(large arcs)

I would note that in the first and second videos you aren't doing this auto-pulsation thing either.

I am disappointed because based on Dave's comments about it not working when current didn't pass through the magnet I was very hopeful.


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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2008, 01:30:26 PM »
Dave mentioned that the conduction seemingly had to be through the magnet to get the effect, but I found I can get arc's with the wire not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted, it looks very much like it is just a case of the magnet blowing the arc out which leads to a swifter collapse and hence a greater emf.

I'm sorry but I do not find that description very clear.
Are you saying you got larger sparks without connecting the magnet to either of the electrodes,
or are you saying you managed to get sparks from a wire that was not connected to the
electrical circuit?
The first I can understand as a variation on Lucs experiment, but it sounds like you're actually
saying the last, although it is unclear to me which wire was not connected to what in the circuit...
The circuit at the neo contact point has 2 wires, right? So what's this third wire you're talkign about?

I probably just misunderstood you ;) but it's always better to ask then to start yapping about
things that were unclear to you. :)

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2008, 01:41:39 PM »
I'm sorry but I do not find that description very clear.
Are you saying you got larger sparks without connecting the magnet to either of the electrodes,
Yes, the largest sparks were when the wire from the transformer and the wire from the + of the battery were both held above a magnet pole (neither touching) and moved rapidly side to side, large sparks were then very easily generated. (basically the same as Teslas patent)
The same motion away from the magnet made large spikes difficult/rare/impossible.

That was all I meant.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2008, 01:44:47 PM »
I can get arc's with the wire magnet not in the circuit but merely near two wires being momentarily contacted

I said wire where I meant magnet.

 

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