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Author Topic: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet  (Read 79067 times)

Offline libra_spirit

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2008, 04:32:59 AM »
Last experiment:

I wanted to know what if anything bismuth would do for an arc. I have a slug of 1/2" copper tube filled with bismuth.
Placing this in the HV side of the circuit and arcing its outer copper to another copper tube I observed a multiple arcing effect.
The Bismuth resists the arc and generates an opposing field to it. The arc seems to strike multiple times during one coil transition.

I first tried this directly to the bismuth and noticed it was pitting badly, observing the copper outside it now doing the same only without the pitting indicates the effect is being transmitted into the copper where arcing is not so destructive.

These multiple arc strikes sound like a machine gun! Very cool.
This also seems to intensify the arcs in some way, both brighter and louder, indicating possibly a faster transition, but also some kind of natural pulsating resistance to the arc manifesting as an oscillation.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #45 on: June 15, 2008, 04:32:59 AM »

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2008, 06:42:33 AM »

These multiple arc strikes sound like a machine gun! Very cool.
This also seems to intensify the arcs in some way, both brighter and louder, indicating possibly a faster transition, but also some kind of natural pulsating resistance to the arc manifesting as an oscillation.

Dave L
Great tests Dave, the louder ark noise was the first effect I noticed then the others as you mention.

In the video I will show how you can convert 12 vdc to 120 vac just by using a magnet and a transformer, no other electronics are needed. It is the most efficient inverter I have seen to date. I have even tried to close the loop and see what it would do, it's kind of cool, it sounds like when you cut the power to a motor, it winds down. Now mind you that I had to convert my output back to dc to feed it back to the magnet since you cannot pulse ac on the magnet.

Anyways stay tuned for the video.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 10:02:47 AM »
Luc,

I had another thought on this. If one was to wrap iron tie wire around a toroidal type magnet, like my cylinder with a hole through the center, and get it insulated enough, you could pass the circuit through a very long magnetic field of iron using only one magnet.
Now you need to pass this into a very thin silver arcing tip. The copper and iron wear down too fast for continous arcing like this.

May try this when I get some time. Busy charging the Joe Cell water today with a new electrolizer.I will watch for the vedio, thanks.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2008, 04:48:57 PM »
@gotoluc ,
I just read your experiment. The video is very good. I would agree that the increase in voltage is due to the faster rise and fall times of the current through the coil due to sparking. If you haven't seen the videos by Hydrogen Tap you might want to look at 100 to 103. He noticed sparks coming from magnets perpendicular to north-south axis of magnet at low voltages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70
There seems to be some mechanism in the magnets that stores up energy and then very quickly discharges it as a spark.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2008, 10:15:34 PM »
@gotoluc ,
Hydrogen Tap was getting sparks about one inch long which would seem to indicate a voltage of hundreds, or thousands, of volts using only a 14 volt input. So maybe this voltage multiplication is also contributing to the higher coil output voltages you are getting. It is hard to see the sparks in his videos. He had a loop with just the spark repeated 16 times, but that seems to no longer be posted. Using two magnets with a tap point between them as in your video seems like to best way to get the voltage out.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2008, 04:47:31 AM »
Luc,

I had another thought on this. If one was to wrap iron tie wire around a toroidal type magnet, like my cylinder with a hole through the center, and get it insulated enough, you could pass the circuit through a very long magnetic field of iron using only one magnet.
Now you need to pass this into a very thin silver arcing tip. The copper and iron wear down too fast for continous arcing like this.

May try this when I get some time. Busy charging the Joe Cell water today with a new electrolizer.I will watch for the vedio, thanks.

Dave L
Hi Dave, not a bad ideal :D. However I did try a small roll of plastic coated metal wire that I turned on a plastic spool and then stuck on a 2" x 1" round N50 Neo magnet and pulsed the magnet and did not find anything special.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2008, 05:14:36 AM »
@gotoluc ,
I just read your experiment. The video is very good. I would agree that the increase in voltage is due to the faster rise and fall times of the current through the coil due to sparking. If you haven't seen the videos by Hydrogen Tap you might want to look at 100 to 103. He noticed sparks coming from magnets perpendicular to north-south axis of magnet at low voltages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltnlviCqu70
There seems to be some mechanism in the magnets that stores up energy and then very quickly discharges it as a spark.
Hi xee, thanks for looking and posting Hydrogen Tap's link. I did see that test last year. It is a very good test and also very visual. I'm glad you brought it up :D. I have also noticed something like this. What I will show in the video is I can do a self resonating pulses one side of the magnet but if I go on the other side the pulse wire just gets stuck to the magnet and does not pulse. It is kind of hard to explain, that's why I'll do a video of it and since you brought this up I will now also show that effect.

Thanks for reminding me.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2008, 09:27:33 AM »
Hi all,

this is the updated video I said I would do of my findings using a Neo magnet to create an auto oscillation pulse which can convert DC to pulse DC that can be transformed to create what ever AC voltage you need by choosing the correct step up or step down transformer. The transformer in this video is a 2 x 115 volt to 2 x 25 volt. I'm using the 2 x 25v (group) as my inputs for my Neo pulsed with the 12vdc and using one of the 115v as my output to the bulb. What I am trying to show is that a Neo magnet can actually auto pulse or vibrate a copper wire and is actually very efficient at it, if you keep the pressure and the sparking to a minimum. I have had it as good as 95% efficient which are the limitations of the toroid transformer. Also please not that the pulsing wire needs to be a single stand of thin copper wire and also well secured in the clip so that it vibrates if you flick it with you finger. The length and the pressure applied to the wire on the magnet will change the pulse frequency will increase or decrease the transformed voltage. Another thing to note is electricity travels in a circular motion (polarity) around the wire, so if the wire sticks to one side of the magnet then try the other side. Play around with it and learn how it works and see if you can't find a use or improvements for it.

Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M5j6fe8rXc

Thanks for looking.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #53 on: June 19, 2008, 11:32:00 AM »
Have you tried this with different magnets as well?

I ask because it occurred to me that most neo magnets are
coated with a layer of some other metal nowadays (like a thin
layer of gold, silver, whatnot)...
and there is a chance the different metals play a role in this
phenomenon. 
Although it looks like the magnet is indeed important to obtain
the greater spark, and this is not known to happen with just
different metals... Yes, current flow can be hindered or stimulated
by the junction of two different metals, but not generally when seperated
by a spark gap... That would mean some kind of non-contact diode
effect and that is not something I have ever read about...

It does however remind me of mr Pajaks "telepathic pyramid" design and
his related stories, in which he presents the claim that a permanent magnet
can be used to accellerate electrons at the poles of the magnet, and can
thus be used to build an OU resonator...
And it also reminds me of what mr Coler (Cohler?) did in his Magnetstromapparat,
where several (6?) permanent magnets were placed in a hexagon spaced just
slightly apart, and coils wrapped around the magnets with the coil wire actually
attached to the magnets, and hooked to a fairly simple capacitor circuit.
By gently and symmetrically increasing the spacing he was able to increase
the output to a usefull level.

In general any such suggestions and claims of magnets directly boosting output
have always been countered by the scientific establishment as being impossible.

It is interesting to see that you seem to be confirming such claims. :)

Have you tested if the magnet is weakened in any way by your zapping it?
That seems important to know...

Thanks for posting, keep it up, and good luck with your experiments! :)

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #54 on: June 19, 2008, 06:13:31 PM »
Have you tried this with different magnets as well?
there is a chance the different metals play a role in this phenomenon. 

Have you tested if the magnet is weakened in any way by your zapping it?
That seems important to know...
Hi Koen,

thanks for looking at this tread.
To answer your question one above is the magnet needs to be conductive for this effect to happen (if pulsing the surface), so ceramic magnets won't work. Also the stronger the magnets are the easier it is to get the effect. The surface of most neo magnets are coated with a nickle alloy which I think really helps with the contact of the wire since it makes the surface smooth and nickel is a great conductor. However if I press harder on the wire to increase the output voltage (which makes a faster pulse frequency like I said above) the plasma will starts to show up so it gets really hot and burns the surface of the magnet and wire so it is less conductive and the process degrades from there. One thing to keep in mind is the Neo magnet material itself is conductive, so I don't think it is just the nickel plating at work here, it just helps with contact.

I have not noticed any weakening of the magnet, however I do not have a gauss meter, so if anyone has one, could you please try the process and comfirm is it weakens the magnet or not.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2008, 06:59:14 PM »
Luc,
Thanks for the video, very impressive.

An inverter function from a magnet!

When you put the wire under and it sucks to the magnet. The current in the wire must be creating an aiding magnetic field and closing the contact until it is release somewhere else. This could be used in a series pulsing circuit where the current is broken opened somewhere else. It would function as a latching relay.

If you set up two in a row, one polarized to suck in and the other already touching, polarized to push out, can you create an oscillator?

A spark gap oscillator.
Last thing is to add some silver or carbon contacts so it will no longer fry the copper.

Dave L


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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #56 on: June 19, 2008, 07:41:59 PM »
If you set up two in a row, one polarized to suck in and the other already touching, polarized to push out, can you create an oscillator?
Hi Dave, by using one magnet it is already creating an oscillator!... that is what I'm demonstrating here!...so I'm not too sure what you are asking.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #57 on: June 19, 2008, 08:46:07 PM »

The pattern I have observed:

For an over unity system pushing into the negative or cold electric CE side you want very sharp discharge rate. For a hot system like the TPU you want extremely fast rise times.

A duty cycle of 40 - 60, that is, a wave that goes to - or negative voltage for 40 percent of its duty cycle and then gives a 60 percent resting time back to its zero discharged state, is producing strong fields in water. [Joe Cell work]

It is an advantage to be able to adust the frequency, and the duty cycle, for a peak effect of the components you are pulsing.

The toroidal transformer may have ideal peaking for both the hot and the cold electric forms. You will be able to tell by its temprature as energy is moving through it. If you get the toroidal core operating in the cold side by using the spark gap right you will be on new ground.

It is hoped that tapping the flow this way through the cold side will alter the power ratios for input and output. The spark gap is supposed to be one of these methods also.

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I would like to know what happens if you run the negative battery lead through the center of the toriodal core and then over to the arc, then back through the coil and then into the light bulb and back to the battery.

Next take one of your spare windings and connect it up in a reversing polarity the same way. Both windings now have the arc between them, and power applied to the other ends on "opposing coils." This will create a cancelling magnetic field inside the toroidal core that still will allow extremely short pulses to pass at very high frequency. As the current surges during the arc, it will hit a wall in the toroid and then dissappear for a time then slowly build, I think....LOL!

This should alter the arcs qualities considerably. There is suposedly a combination that will produce vacuum around the arc. It will stop flaming outwards and turn into a compression arc, almost dissappearing but still very powerful.

This  method is creating a strong A field towards the center of the toroidal core.

Also you could try metering the voltage setting on the extra windings, then just shorting the extra windings, you may get a surprise. On a CT or current transformer, the voltage on an opened winding can climb extremely high, they normally keep the unused windings shorted in power meter work??? Not sure how this will translate on your set up to power in versus power out. Just know that toroidal transformers are not the same as basic square ones with opened magnetic poles.

So here in the toroidal transformer you have one intresting way to produce very high voltages, and in the spark gap another. You have two components there that have both been used for OU devices, and cold energy. Your magnet pulsing has greatly simplified this, and is probably more what Tesla must have been doing.

Thanks for sharing!

Dave L


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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #58 on: June 19, 2008, 11:00:27 PM »
I would like to know what happens if you run the negative battery lead through the center of the toriodal core and then over to the arc, then back through the coil and then into the light bulb and back to the battery.

Next take one of your spare windings and connect it up in a reversing polarity the same way. Both windings now have the arc between them, and power applied to the other ends on "opposing coils." This will create a cancelling magnetic field inside the toroidal core that still will allow extremely short pulses to pass at very high frequency. As the current surges during the arc, it will hit a wall in the toroid and then dissappear for a time then slowly build, I think....LOL!

Dave L

 :-\ humm I'm more of a visual kind of guy ::) I would like to do your test but I don't think I can do it by just following your written instructions. Can you provide me with a diagram or anything visual. You can just draw it on paper and scan or take a picture of it.

Thanks Dave

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2008, 01:09:48 AM »
Luc,

This a terrific thread. And your videos are clear.
Thank you.

Would you mind making a drawing of this circuit that is on your latest video?

My impression is that it is close to but not the same as your previous ones.

I think what you are doing relates very well to my ideas for the stubblefield generator. I even set it up once to make a spark gap, so I am thinking you may be giving me the missing piece for my ideas on how to draw power from it.

I think there is no rectifier in this latest video?? I just want to be sure I understand what you did.

(This is so cool.)

Thank you

jeanna

 

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