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Offline tinu

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2008, 10:27:16 AM »
Thanks again for your efforts (additional experiments and second movie).

I?d like to stress that ?electricity amplification? may not be the most appropriate name as it implies a huge Eureka, if real. Observation is not intended to be caustic in any way but just posted here to get one real. It is not directed to you, Luc, either, so please don?t take it personally. But it?s just the fair post it should be read here and maybe in a lot of other threads where one can find about ?self running micro TPU?, ?self running cold electricity from ?.? etc., etc. Well, all of them should be firstly proved and only then announced, not the other way.
Ok, no that I?ve let it out, lets get back to current experiments.

In order to prove ?electricity amplification?, one has to get close to the following case:
- 330microF at 200V stores about 6.6J (1/2CU2);
- an electric source at 17.6V and 120mA will charge the above cap at 200V in 3.125s, at 100% efficiency;
- in practice, in raising the voltage (additional electronics etc) one may easily attain a 70-75% efficiency. I did it, using regular/cheap components; there is nothing spectacular about it.
- by considering an efficiency of 0.7, the time needed to charge the cap would be 4.46s;
- so far, in the last movie 35s were needed for doing it (from 4:39 to 5:14);
Considering the above, in order to speak about electricity amplification, the setup shall be improved by at least a factor of 7.7 (35/4.5). Until then, it unfortunately remains a DC-DC step-up converter.
In reality things are much worst than 7.7 because, as one knows, a rate of 120mA for an adapter is just a nominal (long-run) rate. The adapter is usually containing an electrolytic, thus able of providing quite large initial current but, even besides that electrolytic, the transformer and electronics usually sustain 10x as rated for short periods.

That being said, I look forward for further evolution and improvements.

Cheers,
Tinu

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2008, 12:44:30 PM »
Camster's video may be relevant: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qII_gsz-7ec

@tinu,
I believe gotoluc has presented a very interesting observation.
Think of the possibilities: A "C" shaped magnet and the wire oscillating back and forth in the open end using some kind of relay contact and cradle.
Of course all Heath Robinson.
On another thread of thought, could this idea lead to some sort of home brewed "Firestorm" spark plug?


Regards

AM

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2008, 09:40:12 PM »
Hi Luc,
you really have to measure,
how much input power you draw during the
sparking.

One easy method would be to use a big capacitor,
say 100.000 uF charged up to 12 Volts and then use this
as the power supply.

Then make a few sparks until the cap is maybe at 6 Volts and
then see, how high the voltage is at the output cap.

Now compare the energy levels of the caps via
0.5x C x voltage^2

Then you know,if you have more energy at the output cap
versus the difference energy drawn from the input cap.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2008, 11:32:25 PM »
I don't think that it deals with an interesting experiment, at least that other elements don't intervene his favor. The motive for my consideration is simple and is born from a simple observation:

The rule of the energy of the condensers is the following:
E = 1/2*C*V^2

I have noticed a great regularity in to rub the metal with the copper wire,  it is obvious that this produces elevated spike of tension, that is accumulated by the condenser (I don't know with how much energy is used for this work...).

I have built a chart with the following columns:
Col A: Time from the experiment start
Col B: Voltage displayed by multimeter
Col C: Condenser energy E = 1/2*C*V^2 (For example 333 microF, but this value is not important)
Col D: Q Energy (Q es quantum), this is the quantity of energy (J/s) that I must accumulate every second to get a certain increase of voltage. Varying this quantity I must reduce the sum of voltage difference (Col. F), the most correct value is when the sum is zero
Col E: calculated voltage ( V = radq(2 * E / C))
Col F: voltage diference

At this point I observe the diagram (red curve) and known that it is very similar to the original (blue curve).

The tension increase is caused by the due accumulation to the spikes of tension. Don't seem me a very particular phenomenon!

If the phenomenon is great with the coin for two motives:
1. The coin is wrinkled and therefore it favors the sparks.
2. The coin has a greater area than the magnets, therefore during the movement of the hand there is more time of contact.

The only way to understand in more correct way the phenomenon is that to measure, through an oscilloscope, the real quantity of energy absorbed by the device.
To understand if the magnets influence the phenomenon all it takes is replacing them with a piece of metal, that has however the same superficial characteristics.

Excuse me however if I keep on doubting on this way to conduct the experiment, but I find it too much inaccurate.

Best regards,
Adriano






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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2008, 11:50:01 PM »
Hi Adriano,
I don?t understand.
Are these your own measurements with your own device ?

What are you exactly calculating there ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2008, 12:29:04 AM »
The magnetic field more swiftly blowing out the spark makes sense of course, Harti is right of course.

But video 2 where for some reason alternating north/south amplifies the already amplified effect further is very interesting, that is just weird.

The best 'artifact' I can think of is that you are pulling the wire from the magnet in a different direction when trying the alternating setup, so try this.

Do a test where the arc and the magnetic field lines are paralle, in other words move the wire straight off the magnet facel. (single or alternating poll)
And then do a test off to the side where it is largely cutting across the lines.


Other ideas: have the arc off of a different conductive metal which is on the magnet such as using some aluminium foil over the magnet.

Try pulsing the other polarity instead, I forget which side you are currently doing.

Try without a magnet but see if you can quench the spark gap in some other way, doubt blowing will work but you never know.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2008, 01:22:06 AM »
@hartiberlin

I have observed only with attention the 2 video, from the minute 4 and 39 seconds I have read, through the function of stop of the player, the data from the multimeter and I have the data to drawing the curve. The rest is only exercise of simulation on a possible electric model.
Through the methods of the following approximations I have found how much energy produced the system... however don't seem me a lot of, sincerely.

Ciao
Adriano

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2008, 01:06:52 AM »
I replicated your experiment and I think that the original effect is real. Even though it is very subjective the whole process, one can still perform it and see it and feel it.

It does definitely increase the voltage faster and to a higher level with more powerfull magnets. One needs a good chunck of current too. In my case I need above 2amps to achieve any sparks and higher increase of voltage above 80v.

The north/south pole also worked even better in my replication. Interesting stuff indeed.

Fausto.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2008, 03:22:29 AM »
Hi Fausto,
please try with 2 pencil graphite spark plugs in series,
so you have 2 arcs running in series.

Once I did it with my old Newman coil I registered just negative
current input.
The more sparkplugs one has in series, the lower will be the input current and
sometimes it also goes purely negative !
It seems the sparks somehow introduce more negative
currents into the circuit and free electrons from the sparking and
electrode burnup come into the circuit as new free electron conductors.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2008, 09:54:15 PM »
Hey guys

I tried this tonight with two big caps, a couple big neos, some 1N4007s and a microwave transformer. It looked promising till I tried charging one cap using this method, and using the other cap to power it. The most energy I could recover was about 1/4 of what was in the intial cap.

About the only interesting thing I got out of it was that both the 400V 220uF cap that I used earlier and the 8200uf 50V caps that I used to try to charge one with the other both charged to about 2 or 3V after a good short circuiting when they were charged using this method. Let me know if thats interesting, but I think I recall hearing somewhere that that is normal of electrolytics.

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2008, 01:33:16 AM »
What I am percieving from this excellent thread,

1 - Electrons want to jump off a North pole and want to enter a South pole magnet. Thus arcing to one side of the magnet should produce a faster rise time of the arc, and the other side a faster cut off time.

2 - By moving to opposite sides of the magnet on each arc we are maximizing both a faster rise time and a faster disconnect time.

3 - Now if one was to make the contact at the South pole side, slide the wire up and disconnect it from the North side, all the faster pulsing would dissappear.

4 - Conversly if we connect on the North side, and then disconnect from the South side, we would have the strongest square waves possible and the voltage should increase faster.

By hitting the wire back and forth I would assume that possibly we are creating the last instance sited.

This could be tested by sliding only one way across the magnets each time.

This would appear to be a sharp square wave generator, without introducing semiconductor heat!

Further you will discover that adding certain materials on each side of the magnet will alter its interaction.

I discovered that when arcing onto a large copper tube, placing even a small layer of water inside the tube will stop the arc from wanting to jump, and the gap becomes much smaller for the same voltage.
Arcs do not want to jump to Aluminum at all and almost as bad as water.

Copper and iron suck up arcs like electron magnets and with a 4 foot tube you no longer need a return ground wire to keep making beautiful arcs to them.

So placing an Aluminum layer on the south pole of the magnet may increase the disconnect pulse intensity, and placing copper or iron on the north pole side may increase the connect intensity. Simply wrap these over the ends of the magnet such that they touch at the center, the wire can now slide along them, and one direction of slide may do more then the other direction.

Dave L

 

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« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2008, 02:49:55 AM »
Hi Dave,

thanks for looking at this tread :D It has been a while since someone has looked here. This effect is intersting and I have new developments but have not posted them. Maybe I'll do a new video and also test your copper and aluminum theory at the same time.

Luc

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« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2008, 03:34:29 AM »
Luc,

yes this is most interesting

please post your latest experiments, results, and findings/conclusions

thanks

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« Reply #43 on: June 15, 2008, 03:39:11 AM »
Luc,

yes this is most interesting

please post your latest experiments, results, and findings/conclusions

thanks
Okay, I've got many things I'm working on at this time, so it may take some days to get it together.

Luc

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Re: Electricity Amplification by Neo Magnet
« Reply #44 on: June 15, 2008, 04:11:05 AM »
Just did an experiment.

I am using the +12 volts of a PC power supply to fire off an automotive HV coil. Approx 15 Kv I would guess.

As I hit the coil with +12 volts, the HV side is arcing between a Copper and Aluminum tube. It jumps from the copper to the aluminum.
Normally I can get about 1/16" jump using my hands to pulse the coil.

OK I add one fairly large cylindrical neo magnet to the low voltage side of the circuit. Using copper wires to tap the magnet pole to pole.

The HV side will now jump well over 1/4" into the aluminum tube. A very healthy spark for sure.
You can see why Tesla would have started using magnets for this kind of work, wow. Big difference on the output side.
As well on the low voltage current side of the circuit I am also getting wilder sparks.

I placed a copper sheath over the magnet in an attempt to protect its surface from damage. Now the sparks are reduced but still higher, The highest arcs are when I directly hit the magnet with the connections. The magnet is sucking the electricity flow into it and off the copper sheath. The arcs jump between the copper sheath and the magnet even when the wires are only on the copper sheath.

I next tried using a nail passing through a cylindrical magnet with a hole in the center, this also works, but slightly less increase. You can see you must pass the electricity through the magnetic material itself to get the strongest increase.

I started trying to increase the arc on the HV side of this circuit by placing the magnet inside the copper tube electrode, and this gave very minimal increase in the gap length. Using the magnet in the low voltage side produced far greater results.

There is a slight increase in the arc with the south pole up on the common of the power, [negative voltage leaving the South pole into the arc], but there is an increase in arc in both directions through the magnet over just using copper wire to wire connection.

A magnet would appear to be a negative resistance in this case boosting the energy of a transition.

This would tend to confirm the observation that we are lowering the transition time of the voltage on the low voltage side of the coil which causes a faster transition in the coil, and thus a greater EMF on the discharge side of the coil.

I next placed the magnet on a large copper wire such that the wire is passing inside the magnet, I also tried wrapping a coil around the magnet, and with these I now arced copper wire to copper wire and observed no increase in the HV spark. The current must move through the magnetic material to use this effect. Now using an aluminum tube I also get a minimal increase with a magnet next to it verses no magnet, now arcing copper to aluminum.

It might be intresting to add water to the experiment but will take more thought.

Dave L


 

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