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Offline tagor

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #450 on: May 18, 2010, 07:15:35 AM »
Their web site says it is patented. Does anyone know the number?

 

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #451 on: May 18, 2010, 03:56:28 PM »
Tagor

Its not that  I'm lazy {I don't read french}

But,

Are there specific efficiency claims ?

Comparisons to conventional elec heat??

Thanks

Chet

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #452 on: May 18, 2010, 04:29:32 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #453 on: May 18, 2010, 04:35:33 PM »
Maybe it was patented in GB also ? Seems logical.I do not know French  >:(

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #454 on: May 18, 2010, 04:37:05 PM »
Tagor

Its not that  I'm lazy {I don't read french}

But,

Are there specific efficiency claims ?

Comparisons to conventional elec heat??

Thanks

Chet

I read some post ( french forum ) , french users saying that it is very efficient ...
but I dont know if it is for real or spamming info

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« Reply #454 on: May 18, 2010, 04:37:05 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #455 on: May 18, 2010, 04:42:11 PM »
Maybe it was patented in GB also ? Seems logical.I do not know French  >:(

some body has to translate it !
 
but he did not say a lot on the process


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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #456 on: May 18, 2010, 05:23:47 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #457 on: May 18, 2010, 06:08:49 PM »
Direct translation of the above text.

[Exhibit A];

A device to heat water by Water électrothermie without going through
a traditional boiler or its accessories.  Allowing the device to heat
water for a single radiator or a minimum of two [2] radiators in the
case of the central heating.  The device constitutes electrical
resistance heating with a variable amount of power (1) linked to the
metallic pipe (2) and a mini-pump (3) as well as to a thermostat (16)
and a circuit breaker for security (17) that allows the placement in
hallway or the alcove of the device.  When the device is connected
to the transmission and return line pipes of a circuit-loop of radiators
and when the electrical connection is established, the mini pumps
circulates water from the radiators and repressurises it and sends it
(6) through the metallic heating tube (2) heated by the resistance (1);
thus hot water is circulated through the radiators. To allow production
of domestic hot water with this device, it is necessary to replace the
centrifugal-pump (3) with a pressure regulator. 

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[Exhibit B];

The heating system uses an insulated and safe electrical resistance (1) in
a linear or toroid shape and with variable power, linked to a metal tube (2)
through which water heated by the resistance is circulated in a loop
through one or more radiators by means of a mini-pump (3). The resistance
is also turned on by a thermostatic switch when a domestic hot water tap
is opened, providing an immediate supply of hot water when needed.

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Interesting differences between the two. No claims of overunity
anywhere. Does not really say what resistance is used for heating unless
"électrothermie" has some unknown connotations.  I don't know where
the word "toroidial" comes from, doesn't seem like the appropriate word
for a circular coil?

:S:MarkSCoffman
« Last Edit: May 18, 2010, 11:45:52 PM by mscoffman »

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #458 on: May 18, 2010, 11:22:30 PM »
...also, there is no mention of the centre of Peter Daysh Davey,
namely that the bells are fed with an electrical signal whose
frequency matches that of the bells themselves (or an octave).

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #459 on: June 01, 2010, 05:57:01 PM »
As mentioned in the H.E.T. heater specification document (german) on Page 3 (4 PAGES HET ALLEMAND 02-09.pdf)

'Leistungszahl COP 4'

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #460 on: October 04, 2010, 05:23:45 PM »
@all

To anyone interested in this thread. If you want to actually
implement this device you should check out the following
Web link;

http://freddyscell.com/

The first CF cold fusion anomaly makes it possible to interchange
the type of excess energy output from a CF device. So while the
heater puts out excess heat the device listed in the Web link
puts out excess HHO gas which can be immediately burnt to produce
excess heat energy. The device has an energy gain of about (6x) six
times the input energy.

CF anomalies

Now there are three anomilistic areas of CF that make it different
for other normal energetic processes.

A) Output Energy Re-vectoring.
 
The first is the hydrogen chemical reaction vector. This says that
the D+D two deuterium atom fusion reaction CF energy output is
directed along the lines of the underlying H hydrogen energy
reaction. So this means that if the hydrogen reaction cause
excess heat then the CF D+D reaction produces more heat.
If the hydrogen reaction produces HHO gas then the CF D+D
reaction produces more HHO gas. Finally if the hydrogen reaction
produces electrochemical charge in a battery then the CF D+D
reaction produces more charge on the battery.

B) Ionizing Radiation Suppression

Next is the lack of effects of long range ionizing radiation from the
the initial reaction which is what makes the CF reaction with the
stainless steel target electrodes being discussed - safe to use.

C) 100% Dueterised Scientific Experiments.

Scientist's experiments use fully deuteriated experimental systems
where 100% of the hydrogen is the [2]H isotope D. So this means
that every TCB terminal bubble potentially targets a reactable
center. This is called heavy water. And is expected to boost
reactability. Us peons have to use natural water in which
only .0176% (.000176) H of all atoms are deuterium. which mean
only .000176^2 squared which is a very small figure probability of
reactions, will result in D+D fusion. So this asserts a very small
probability mask over any given reaction. It's important to note
that fully light water, which is not natural product, is 100% H with
no D at all, and this should not produce any D+D fusion activity.

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You will notice that Freddy acoustically tunes the electrolyzer
tubes. The Harvey Davies heater therefore pre-suggests
overunity energy in acoustically reasonant electrolyzers.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6U0xXMwBk

While acoustic phonons initiate the CF reaction I also suspect that
there is accoustic sorting going on to increase the concentration
of D in heavy water at various points (nodes) so that the D+D
fusion reaction proceeds with higher than normal probability. This
makes the electrolyzer sort of an acoustic hydro-molecular seive.

I've also wondered whether pistol shrimp concentrate heavy water
for this purpose probably via chemical means.

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« Last Edit: October 04, 2010, 06:00:42 PM by mscoffman »

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #461 on: October 04, 2010, 05:32:31 PM »
It struck me ! This device can work implementing parametric oscillator resonance!
It is now very clear and very possible.

Davey device is nothing but capacitor with a moving plates synchronized to the applied sinusoidal signal frequency at correct phase. Then the missing part is COIL or inductance element !!!
Capacitance of Peter Davey device is changing in correct time rising the power in RLC resonant circuit.
In ideal situation we need a couple of watts to boil water after some quite short time.

Case closed for me. ;D

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #462 on: October 04, 2010, 08:15:50 PM »
SSOOoo....

Forest, How hard would it be to make one??
can you "See" it?,You make it sound so clear!

I believe an OU event is not uncommon,
It is the harvest,Or to change the natural sequence into an unnatural "Event"[Harvest}!
That Would seem to be the "trick"!

Do you think "Now","Today", that you can be that tricky!

Tricky enough to out smart nature?
Or at least use some of Natures "tricks"[techniques] ,to benefit man?

Chet
PS,It would seem the "WITTS" boiler is the same "Technique"

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #463 on: March 15, 2011, 08:12:29 PM »
Ok, the first page starts with resonance as the means of heating water.  The last page of the post ends with resistance wire and a heating element.

First, any piece of pipe can be used as a resonant cavity.  All you need is the speed of sound through water, measure the amount of time it takes for sound to travel that distance, then half that to find the first fundamental frequency for a standing wave.  If you look into steam whistle design, or whistle design you find the same details.  50Hz isn't a target.  Piezoelectric speakers produce the most sound power with the least amount of energy.  I would look into actuators and transducers because, they can produce much more force, enough for friction welding and welding plastics.  Yea, resonance can produce allot of heat but, with friction welding and welding plastics, those horns use brute force.

You would use whistle dimensioning equations diameter to length for the ideal steam whistle, allot of math has already been done, to find the right standing wave cavity.  Usually, the diameter times 3 is right for the length.  Then you take the speed of sound and divide the length of time to travel to the end of the tube by 2.  Then you convert the time period to a frequency.  I would expect that Iron Pipe would work better for having a higher hardness even though brittle.  But, copper and aluminum wouldn't be as effective over time.  The speed of sound in water is 1482 Meters per second.  So, if the diameter of the pipe were one foot or 12 inches, then a one meter long piece of pipe would oscillate with a standing wave at 2,964 Hz, and all the energy can do inside that length of pipe is build up.  If you divide up the length of pipe into 5 equal seconds, you'd place your transducer or transducers at the intersection of the first and second equal length, and intersection of the fourth and fifth.  That's the antinodes of standing wave.  Your transducers are most likely to experience the most stress there.  The other location is at the end of the pipe and center which would release the piezoelectric transducer's energy from the center of the pipe's diameter and at the node of the standing wave, where the build up of energy is typically nearly zero.  Best locations are not always the most logical locations.

http://electron9.phys.utk.edu/phys135d/modules/m10/waves.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_whistle

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #464 on: March 16, 2011, 02:10:45 AM »
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Here is the original (PDF) document in French:

http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=FR&NR=2890724A1&KC=A1&FT=D&date=20070316&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

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Here is the starting point from Paul-R above:

Abstract:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070316&CC=FR&NR=2890724A1&KC=A1

The heating system uses an insulated and safe electrical resistance (1) in a linear or toroid shape and with variable power, linked to a metal tube (2) through which water heated by the resistance is circulated in a loop through one or more radiators by means of a mini-pump (3). The resistance is also turned on by a thermostatic switch when a domestic hot water tap is opened, providing an immediate supply of hot water when needed.

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Here are my translations to english with links.

Attached at the end are the three diagrams also:
Fig-1of3.jpg
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Fig-3of3.jpg

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Description:
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Present invention relates to an apparatus to heat the water of

radiators with water, to produce sanitary hot water by Hydro Electrothermics without passing by a boiler and its equipments.

Traditionally, the system of the central heating with hot water functions using a boiler with the fuel, gas, the wood or coal. The burner of the boiler transforms fuel into a flame which heats a serpentine containing of cold water. Water thus heated is sent in the radiators thanks to one or two pumps.

This system of heating, having like main element water, very healthy residue.

Although this system is used the most in the hearths, it present several disadvantages: complex and relatively expensive installation comprising a boiler, a burner, a tank or tanker requiring a made safe placement, - use of substantial amounts in linear metres of tubes out of copper or Crosslinked polyethylene (derivative of the petroleum) or out of galvanized steel for the conduction of 1 hot water towards the radiators (which more is, these tubes contributes to a loss of the heat since the extended one of the boiler until the arrival with the radiators), - maintenance or adjustment of the burner, - need of a conduit of chimney. Another large disadvantage nowadays residue the CO2 and SO2 outburst coming from the fuel and which contributes to the increase of the effect of greenhouse and the pollution, .2 D atmospheric.

These last years, the domestic manufacturers of radiators launched on the market of the radiators dry napkins special for rooms of baths. These radiators being tubular, they cannot for technical reasons, being not used in the other parts of dwelling.

The apparatus in accordance with the invention not only makes it possible to cure these disadvantages but its applications in four different cases make four separate apparatuses of them, with common technical principles, bringing each one maximum of comfort without technical concern. By preoccupation with a simplicity, the characteristics will be enumerated by it in four cases A-B-CD, according to their uses.

3 p the apparatus according to case's A has as an object to modify the existing domestic central heating system functioning with the fuel or gas, sanitary hot water producing and comprising a minimum number of 2 radiators with water. It indeed comprises, according to a first feature, a formed protected heating electrical resistance 4 O in torus of revolution, of variable power. According to a second characteristic, the resistance is connected to a formed metal tube also in torus of revolution through which heated water circulates when the tube is connected to the tubular circuit of the central heating.

According to a third characteristic, the flow in loop of the water heated in the whole of the radiators is done via a mini electric pump of variable power connected to the aforesaid metal tube. This pump allows a quasi instantaneous diffusion of the water heat in the circuit of the radiators.

According to a fourth characteristic, the apparatus in accordance with the invention comprises 4 a 0 electronic controller of water heat.

According to a fifth characteristic, the apparatus is provided with a circuit breaker 30 my with protection with the apparatus and persons.

According to modes' particular of performing, the three annexed drawings illustrate the performing and the application of the device in 4 cases A - B C D. 15 figure 1 represents the apparatus of the invention according to case's a: the heating electrical resistance (1) is connected by its end (5) to the tube (4) whose other end is connected to the mouth of delivery (6) of a mini special pump hot water (3), the end (7) of the heating resistance is connected to the tube (8). This tube is attached with the metallic wall of the box (9) of the apparatus by a male connector or female (10) which residue in waiting of branch on the return pipe (R) of the existing central heating by the tube (11), the mouth of suction (12) of the mini pump is attached by the tube (13) with the metallic wall of the box of the apparatus (9), by a male connector or female (14) which residue in waiting of branch on the pipe of arrival (A) of the existing central heating by the tube (15) the temperature controller of the water of the radiators (16) is connected to the heating electrical resistance (1) the electrical circuit breaker 30 milliamperes (17) allows the operation of the 38 apparatus and ensures the safety of the components of the apparatus and the persons. Placement and setting in running of the apparatus according to case's a: stop of the boiler and insulation of the existing heating system by its valves.

- branch of the tubes (11) and (15) on the tubes (18) and (19).

- this branch carried out, one opens the valves (18) and (19) and the faucets of the radiators.

- connection of the apparatus to the electric current (20) and opening of the circuit breaker.

Water existing in the circuit of the radiators is aspired by the mouth of suction (12) of the mini pump, it is driven back by the mouth (6) of the mini pump towards the end (5) of the heating resistance (L); while crossing the resistance, instantaneously heated water is returned in the tube (10) of the return (R) of the circuit of the heating. The circuit of the heating being a closed circuit, heated water circulates permanently.

0 the apparatus of the invention represents according to case's b: The apparatus according to case's B has the technical same components that case A (1). The application of the device according to case's B has as an object to individually heat only one radiator with water without any circuit of heating and boiler.

In the form of performing according to, single the power of the technical components of the apparatus changes in accordance with the invention according to the given calorific power by the manufacturer of the radiator.

The apparatus in accordance with the invention comprises a sixth characteristic in case b: the delivery R. 1 sends the water heated in the radiator 2 by the point (21). This apparatus comprises a seventh characteristic: the connection out of tee (22) allows the water filling of the radiator by the point (23).

Placement and setting in running of the apparatus according to case's b: branch of the tube (15) of the apparatus 1 on the point (24) radiator 2, branch of the tube (11) 1 on the point (21) of the radiator 2 water filling of the radiator by the point (23) 2.

connection of the apparatus to the electric current and opening of the circuit breaker (17) 2.

Apparatuses according to cases' C and D have the technical same components that case A (fig1) with the difference that, according to an eighth characteristic, the apparatuses C and D are provided with a pressure switch (26) 3 with the place of the mini pump. The pressure switch (26) has as a function to establish or cut the electric current of the heating resistance (1) as of the opening or the closing of an hot water faucet.

Thanks to the pressure switch the hot water producing is instantaneous and continuous. 30

According to a ninth characteristic the apparatuses C and D produce sanitary hot water uninterrupted when this one is used, thanks to the resistance (1), when these apparatuses are connected to cold water and the electric current.

The apparatus according to case's C and D has as an object to produce sanitary hot water.

In the form of performing according to and according to the power of the electrothermal hydro components, the apparatus can be useful in the producing of hot water sanitary for a room of bath and a kitchen (apparatus in the case C) or produce sanitary hot water for several rooms of bath, in which case the apparatus is installed on the main column of hot water supply.

According to the mode particular of performing, figure 3 illustrates the performing and the application of the device in cases C and D. Placement and setting in running of the apparatus according to cases' C and D: - the branch of a tube on the point (A) constitutes the cold water supply, the branch of a tube on the point (B) constitutes the hot water recovery as of the opening of a faucet connected to the hot water circuit of the apparatus C or D, - the component (25) of the apparatuses C and D is a regulator of the water temperature, - the component (17) of the apparatuses C and D is a circuit breaker 30 my of electrical safety, the point (20) constitutes taken connection of the electric current in 0 apparatuses C and D. As nonrestrictive example, each apparatus in accordance with the invention can be contained in a canister or box made safe with dimensions of about 9 X 13 X 45 centimetres ready to install and put in service rapidly.

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1) Apparatus to heat water by Hydro electrothermics without passing by a boiler and its equipments, characterized in what it comprises an insulated and protected electrical resistance (1) of linear form or in torus of revolution, of variable power connected to the metal tube (2) through which circulates the water heated by the resistance.

2) Apparatus according to claim 1 to heat the water of characterised in that traditional radiators the water heated by the resistance (1) circulates in loop in the radiators thanks to a mini pump (3) of variable power.

3) Apparatus according to claim 1 to individually heat water Io of a characterised in that traditional radiator the mini pump (3) sucking the water heated by the resistance (1) creates a flow in loop in the radiator which allows a quasi instantaneous diffusion of the water heat in the radiator.

4) Apparatus according to characterised in that claim 3 the radiator comprises a connection out of tee (22) which allows the water filling of the radiator by the point (23).

5) Apparatus according to claim 1 to produce sanitary hot water without passing by a characterised in that traditional boiler sanitary cold water flowing in the tube (2) is heated by the resistance (1), the pressure switch restoring the electric current for the resistance (1) as of the opening of an hot water faucet.

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