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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #420 on: October 10, 2008, 06:36:25 PM »
@ALL,
I got across a real free energy heater IF there is already a moving liquid or gas inside a pipe!
Please read the following patent and any comments will be highly appreciated.
US5773798
Is this like normal induction heating, like the classic induction furnace? Why do you
think this might be over unity?
Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #420 on: October 10, 2008, 06:36:25 PM »

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #421 on: October 10, 2008, 08:17:24 PM »
My understanding is that the device is not powered at all.
The liquid or gas normally turns the whole structure and magnetic
lines between the triple square "a" and magnets are made and broken
continuously which in turn heats the passing liquid or gas.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #422 on: October 17, 2008, 02:33:02 PM »
My understanding is that the device is not powered at all.
The liquid or gas normally turns the whole structure and magnetic
lines between the triple square "a" and magnets are made and broken
continuously which in turn heats the passing liquid or gas.

Are you all very busy?
I do not think that any of you do not have any ideas about this device.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #422 on: October 17, 2008, 02:33:02 PM »
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Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #423 on: October 23, 2008, 09:34:05 PM »
I've been reading entries in this forum for the past couple months as time has allowed and from the start it seemed like something BIG was being missed throughout.  Until I actually have the time to do my own research and experimentation I'd like to put a bug in the ear of anyone actually working on this project.

Although I believe Davey may have been just a bit on the secretive side with regards to the fact, his heater neither relies on, nor wants, conduction of electricity by the heated medium.  I.e., the premise is based upon mechanical heating of a liquid, not electrical, per se.  Granted, Davey used electricity to excite his bells into resonant vibration; but I think the main problem he had to overcome in making his invention of practical use was insulating the bells so that there was no electrical contact with the liquid.  This insulation is what would allow the heater to work "with any liquid"--including, say, distilled water which is normally non-conductive.

The power draw required simply to produce vibration in properly tuned bells--or any surface designed to efficiently produce a monotone--will be relatively small.  At resonant frequency, the excitation of molecules of any medium (including air) "caught" between the vibrating surfaces will be extremely high and will produce the type of mechanical heating Davey discovered.  All this makes sense intuitively but still poses design challenges that explain the difficulty of putting the idea into practice.  I, for one, am intrigued enough to devote time to the problem (eventually) since I think it could offer the "engine" for a fabulous next-generation, low power instantaneous water heater. 

We're getting to the point in the energy crisis where the mercenary powers that be will need to find new agendas that embrace conservation even while adding to those powers' filthy riches.  There will be less tendency on their part to stifle the commercial development of such a promising technology.  For my part, I just want a cheaper way to heat my household water!

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #424 on: October 23, 2008, 10:10:48 PM »
I agree with you.Cavitation may be the secret hidden inside Davey heater. That's I described in one of previous post, may be mechanical oscillator similar to cavitation heater rotor which is commercially available but costly and require powerful electric motor.60hz is exactly 3600 rpm and 50hz is near that value.
Now the secret would be how to build insulated spheres to allow them to deflect surface according to the current (?). Each sphere should be in separate phase so their surfaces should be once closer then further one each other.or maybe even that deflection should propagate across circle thus efficiently rotating water at high speed.
All these without rotating parts ! It must be very clever construction yet I think it is simple in view.

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« Reply #424 on: October 23, 2008, 10:10:48 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #425 on: October 23, 2008, 10:13:55 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #426 on: October 23, 2008, 11:44:49 PM »
This is like watch someone flogging a dead horse.
The Peter Davey heater does NOT use resonance and is not overunity.

We can kick theories around all day, but for heavens sake build something to talk about.

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« Reply #426 on: October 23, 2008, 11:44:49 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #427 on: October 24, 2008, 09:56:54 AM »
This is like watch someone flogging a dead horse.
The Peter Davey heater does NOT use resonance and is not overunity.

We can kick theories around all day, but for heavens sake build something to talk about.
We understand your frustration but
with all due respect you do not know more then any of us here.
Just stop putting people down.
Let people communicate their ideas freely.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #428 on: October 24, 2008, 03:53:07 PM »
Perhaps you are right, but let's at least stop referring to the Davey heater as some amazing heating unit that uses audio vibrations to exert excess energy that heats water rapidly.

The Davey heater works by induction, it's as simple as that!

However if one wants to pursue whether an overunity effect can be realized by using his model of dome shaped objects then the following has to be undertaken.

Alter the mains frequency so that it is a harmonic of the 1st bell unit, not the other way around. The second bell will of course have to be a harmonic of the 1st and the distance between the two will have to be adjusted in case there is a dipole effect. This is the next logical step forward, not Himalayan singing bowls.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #429 on: October 24, 2008, 03:57:01 PM »
The Davey heater works by induction, it's as simple as that!
If this were true, tuning would not matter.
What is your evidence for this remark?
I don't think you know your a**se from your elbow, DOCV.
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #430 on: October 25, 2008, 12:34:13 AM »
If this were true, tuning would not matter.
What is your evidence for this remark?
I don't think you know your a**se from your elbow, DOCV.
Paul.

I did not say that there is no merit in finding out if the sound theory is possible only that the Davey claim of so called tuning is a red herring.
The theory is the same as a wave action, add another wave at the right frequency and the initial and consequent waves should increase. Whether this works between two bells is another story.

As for your remark it shows the vague appeals of a delinquent with meaningless abstractions, Grammar is not the measure of a man, but it is an excellent indicator of the quality of thought behind the words being spoken. Poor thinkers have always retreated behind ill-phrased, unclear statements, hoping their readers will do their thinking for them.
Time to leave this topic. Just like Paul it's going nowhere.
 

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« Reply #430 on: October 25, 2008, 12:34:13 AM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #431 on: October 30, 2008, 09:21:37 PM »
Perhaps you are right, but let's at least stop referring to the Davey heater as some amazing heating unit that uses audio vibrations to exert excess energy that heats water rapidly.

The Davey heater works by induction, it's as simple as that!

However if one wants to pursue whether an overunity effect can be realized by using his model of dome shaped objects then the following has to be undertaken.

Alter the mains frequency so that it is a harmonic of the 1st bell unit, not the other way around. The second bell will of course have to be a harmonic of the 1st and the distance between the two will have to be adjusted in case there is a dipole effect. This is the next logical step forward, not Himalayan singing bowls.

How then you explain the pictures showing boiling water and 8A current on the meter? Can you boil water INSTANTLY with 8A/220V? I can't.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #432 on: October 31, 2008, 03:42:17 PM »
How then you explain the pictures showing boiling water and 8A current on the meter? Can you boil water INSTANTLY with 8A/220V? I can't.
Yes, NewAge. You're right.

What DOCV has forgotten, if he ever knew, is that the Davey heater originated from a
fighter pilot diving his aircraft, and getting a strange heating effect in the cokpit
if he could achieve certain frequencies with engine speed and various other rattling
components (cockpit canopy, probably).

The work has been replicated on many occasions, and if the tuning is good, then the
results are remarkable. Manufacturers have backed off because they do not believe that
it will be possible to pass safety regulations when putting mains electricity into water.
Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #433 on: November 01, 2008, 11:36:43 PM »
Yes, NewAge. You're right.

What DOCV has forgotten, if he ever knew, is that the Davey heater originated from a
fighter pilot diving his aircraft, and getting a strange heating effect in the cokpit
if he could achieve certain frequencies with engine speed and various other rattling
components (cockpit canopy, probably).

The work has been replicated on many occasions, and if the tuning is good, then the
results are remarkable. Manufacturers have backed off because they do not believe that
it will be possible to pass safety regulations when putting mains electricity into water.
Paul.


YES! Definitely Davey found an effect called magnetostriction : http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/magstrict.html

That joined with cavitation explain his device very well. The external shell is resonant cavity and probably contains very small holes. The internal bell is made from highly magnetostriction material. Both are probably somehow insulated to limit current but still allow magnetostriction.The effect is and contraction/expansion process of inner bell walls at 100 or 120 hz frequency which in correct shape should produce circulation of water between bells at around 3600 rpm, very similar to commerial cavitation heaters driven by electric motor.


 

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #434 on: November 01, 2008, 11:37:42 PM »
look for 2 x grid current frequency !

 

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