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Author Topic: Peter Davey Heater  (Read 373976 times)

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #345 on: June 27, 2008, 12:49:05 PM »
How to tune them ? I can't imagine tuning while connected to mains... Do you really think that AC current produce a sound while passing through conductor ? Then why I don't hear any sound  in my wall socket ?

I wrote this a few times on this thread already but will try to explain again. The electricity doesn't vibrate the bells directly which is why you don't hear them out of the water. It's like trying to hear sound in a vacuum. With no air the sound doesn't travel. In this case, with no water, the bells do not vibrate. It's the hitting of the water at 50 or 60Hz that does something to the water causing it to contract and/or expand in rhythm with that frequency. The bells them vibrate because of the water the electricity is passing through.

WE ARE CREATING A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT that uses water instead of air as it's medium. The heating is just a side effect :)

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #345 on: June 27, 2008, 12:49:05 PM »

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #346 on: June 27, 2008, 01:14:28 PM »
Hi Guys,

Should anybody be interested in, this page:
http://freenrg.info/Sonettes_Davey/Freq/  has just been updated. :P

I'm now searching for a good mussel hunting workshop.... ;D

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@ND Impressive work! Congratulations. Before spending more time, energy and money
on grinding your bells in a shop I think you should start with bells that resemble the
ones used by Mr. Davey. 3.5 cm and 4.5 cm and deep.

And while you are at it maybe a curved handle like his ;)

Could be very tricky to get those in France I know. Sorry.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #347 on: June 27, 2008, 01:36:07 PM »
Please note that

http://www.totalizm.nazwa.pl/boiler.htm

page has been updated. It is rather a long page but as far as I can see
(I am very busy with the application of a patent of mine) the update contains
is important new information.

I know some of you think that Jan Pajak is a whakko but aren't we all?
I do not think judging people is what we need right now. Remember that one of the
first rules of being a better someone is not to judge anyone or anything.
Give some credit to the guy. No University will give Ph.D.s for nothing.

I think builders/experimenters should read this page.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #347 on: June 27, 2008, 01:36:07 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #348 on: June 27, 2008, 03:48:40 PM »

If you are in the States where AC power is 60 cycles per second, ask  for E above the G sharp. The note is in between E and F.
Paul.
I got this wrong. In the States, or anyone with 60hz mains will be looking for a note
between A sharp and B, and not E and F as started by me above. Sorry, folks.

Reminder that tuning is everything. The closer the tuning, the higher the COP.
also, the gap is important. Trial and error will determine the best.

Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #349 on: June 27, 2008, 04:00:25 PM »
Yes a lot of good interesting and far out material. I don't agree though with the writer in the article that it's difficult to measure the efficiency. He claims it can boil any amount of water so put it in 10 liters and measure the starting and finishing temp. If it boils in seconds, who cares. A few seconds for 10 liters is enormous ou!! It would take 2000w many many minutes to boil 10 liters of water.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #350 on: June 27, 2008, 06:19:43 PM »
Hi Guys,

Should anybody be interested in, this page:
http://freenrg.info/Sonettes_Davey/Freq/  has just been updated. :P

I'm now searching for a good mussel hunting workshop.... ;D

Best


I measured the bells and got the following frequencies:
Bell 0 = 347.5 hz
1 = 917 & 941 Hz
2 = 2148 & 2198 Hz
3 = 649 Hz
4= 760 Hz

Anyone else get this ?

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #351 on: June 27, 2008, 10:21:37 PM »
I measured the bells and got the following frequencies:
Bell 0 = 347.5 hz
1 = 917 & 941 Hz
2 = 2148 & 2198 Hz
3 = 649 Hz
4= 760 Hz
Anyone else get this ?
What are the diameters of your bells, and what is the distance from the rim
to the hole with the bolt?

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #352 on: June 28, 2008, 12:36:37 PM »
Should anybody be interested in, this page:
http://freenrg.info/Sonettes_Davey/Freq/  has just been updated. :P
I notice that your screen shot shows frequencies from 2000 hz to 20 khz. Are you sure
that there is nothing interesting going on between 300hz and 2000hz?
Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #353 on: June 28, 2008, 06:43:56 PM »
I've done experiment with my new cell
220V/0.7A dropped to 0.5A and a buzz sound occured when device was laying at the bottom of container.No sound when it was immersed freely in water..But still I saw no boiling even after a while :-(
However that drop in current usage is interesting.Also my inner bell was very loosely connected on threaded rod.I start to believe that sparks are cause of vibrations and sound.

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« Reply #353 on: June 28, 2008, 06:43:56 PM »
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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #354 on: June 28, 2008, 08:38:22 PM »
I'm taking another stab at cracking this, but from a slightly different perspective.  I have new 'bells', whose fundamental frequencies are 1150Hz & 1630Hz.  Since everyone presumes that the 'real effect' is acoustic-based, I decided to use the frequencies above, rather than the 50Hz mains frequency.   I also now have a fairly accurate temperature meter - thermocouple probe is from another model, so I don't know how accurate the reading is, but since relative temp rise is all I'm interested in here, it's good enough!  Finally, I'm generating the frequencies using a laptop and Cooledit 2000.  Although max output is 2W, with the distilled water I'm using, actual readings are 6VAC p-p @ 55mA max.

Results:

Basically nothing of interest!  I have tried every combination of frequency manipulation I can think of, including frequency modulating either or both over a few hundred Hertz with a slow cycling time, in the hope of hitting a 'sweet-spot', to no avail.  I have also tried a few different positionings of the smaller bell with no effect.  While I am certainly not expecting to see any boiling take place at these power levels, given that the heater proportedly has a COP of 20, I was hoping to see some increase in temperature...  Only thing left to try is see if upping the input power makes a difference, but at this stage, I have lost interest in the brute-force "electrode heater" aspect...  If anyone can suggest another line of attack, please do :)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/Sprocket_06/Photo-0121.jpg)

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #355 on: June 28, 2008, 09:04:35 PM »
@DOCV

I measured the bells and got the following frequencies:
Bell 0 = 347.5 Hz
1 = 917 & 941 Hz
2 = 2148 & 2198 Hz
3 = 649 Hz
4= 760 Hz
Anyone else get this ?


What software are are you using?
We agree about bells #0 and #1...
The freqs for the bell #2  "sounds" more realistic.
Are not your  freq for #3 and #4 too low?

 2 possibilities:
1) Cool Edit 96 is not always  giving accurate.measurements.
2) I do no know how to use this software. :'(

Could any body try with Coll Edit 2000 or another software?

Best.






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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #356 on: June 28, 2008, 09:48:58 PM »
Not strictly about Davey boiler but I have idea.Is it possible that in Davey original patent tubes were rotating fast ? I've read from Tesla lecture about some monopole electric rotor which is basically a copper or other metal based disc.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #357 on: June 28, 2008, 10:00:46 PM »


@Paul-R and DOCV:

I have just made another analysis of my #3 bell.
It "sounds" like you can find a of frequencies in one bell.
It is not a sine wave!!!

I have just made another analysis of my #3 bell.
and figured out that Cool Edit 96 is just giving
the freq. of the  main "peak"of the selected part of the wave form.....
 :)
Please see picture:

(http://freenrg.info/Sonettes_Davey/Freq/Num_3_Wave_Analysis_comment.jpg)

Best

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #358 on: June 29, 2008, 03:48:30 PM »
@Paul-R and DOCV:
I have just made another analysis of my #3 bell.
It "sounds" like you can find a of frequencies in one bell.
It is not a sine wave!!!
A bell will have more than one frequency, but if it is a good quality hemishere,
and held accurately at the centre (sometimes difficult to do), there should be
one frequency much bigger than the others, + various octaves of this main
frequency.

It seems to me that you might be better off dropping back to more traditional methods
of comparing the bell to the mains hum as outlined above. Try also page 8 of this:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter14.pdf
Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #359 on: June 29, 2008, 04:11:09 PM »
Hey Sprocket.
You can use a laptop to determine your frequency, but not to generate as it will give off a synthetic version of a sine wave. If you are trying to reproduce pure sound then you have to go with original sine waves and alter them, but not synthesize them. Much like listening to a live orchestra and then listening off a CD. The essence of the sound is just not the same.

 

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