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NerzhDishual

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #300 on: June 22, 2008, 09:41:56 PM »
Hi guys,

Some informations.

I was able to heat distilled water with my new (inefficient cups (device)).

Results:
1) Trying to heat 0.75 liters of distilled water (750 grams).
Initial temperature: 19.5?.
I switch on the power supply.... :)
The (cheap) analog amp meter shows zero amp (during the whole experiment).
After a  while (about one minute), the wattmeter is reacting...
After 6  minutes: consumption =  9 watts/hour
After 9  minutes: consumption = 15 watts/hour
After 11 minutes: consumption = 20 watts/hour
I stopped here.
Final temperature (after having stirred the water and having removed the cups).
39.5?.

Delta T= 39.5 - 19.5 = 20?.
Coef= 750*4.2/3600= 0.875
4.2 joules (one cal) to increase the temperature of one gram of water to 1?

Theoretical = 20? * 0.875 watts/hour
Observed = 20 watts/hour
Calculated COP= 0.875
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2)  Heating 0.75 liters of (Briton) tap water (750 grams) with the same setup.
The analog amp meter is showing a variable amp consumption: from 8 to 10 amps
BTW: this meter also skips until 15 amps for a short while each time a big bubble appears!

Initial temperature: 19.7?
After 1 min 20 sec: the wattmeter is showing  45 watts/hour.
I stopped here.
Final temp.: 68?
Delta T: 68 - 19.7 = 48.3?
COP = 48.3 * 0.875 / 45 =/= 0.94
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Projected experiments:

1) Distilled water + Baking Soda.
2) Tap water + Baking S.
I bet that my (alleged) 10 amps fuse will blow out!
3) Filtered water (the water that I use for drinking and cooking).
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Else:
About one year ago I was able to hear an humming noise from one of my 'devices'.
As I keep on dismantling and re building them I was not able to hear it again...  :'(
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So, my scientific conclusions are:
Yes, the Peter Daysh Davey's Device (PDDD = PD^3) could be 'OU' (COP >1)!
The very formula is: COP = PD^3 + d(Lot_Of_Parameters)/dt

It just depends upon:
1) the Moon position.
2) The Ascendant of the place and the time (The degree of the (Tropic) Astrological Sign that is raising).  I do not use Sideral Astrology. BTW: 1+2 = Hour Astrology. ;D
3) The mood of the experimenter.
4) The age of the captain.
5) The disposition, the own frequencies and the shape of the cups.
6) The speed of the wind.
7) Probably the Oil barrel price level or something like that...
 ;D  :D ??? :P

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #301 on: June 22, 2008, 09:55:32 PM »
I think that Davey device is not using more then 100W but we won't see...
Someone should convince him to publish some video showing amperage usage while boiling cold water.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #302 on: June 22, 2008, 09:58:12 PM »
What about the details of your device? Just two metal half spheres close to each other or did you try any type of tuning to some harmonic of the main. Do you have pictures or drawings of your device?

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #303 on: June 22, 2008, 09:59:32 PM »
I think that Davey device is not using more then 100W but we won't see...
Someone should convince him to publish some video showing amperage usage while boiling cold water.

Somewhere on this thread is a video or picture showing a meter as he has the device in the water. I don't recall if it was amps but I think so and it was registering on the low end of the scale.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #304 on: June 22, 2008, 10:03:22 PM »
I don't know how to tune to mains :-( Give me some info.

My device are made from common parts : two cheap SS bowls (and a lot of work to join them ;-)
inside there are two bells , bigger and smaller like in known schematic, lying on the threaded SS rod (bigger bell is insulated from rod) That will be my second test, first failed due to big resistance of inner bell ( was insulated with paint)

I would like to post pictures but my digital camera is very old and all pictures are blurry.The same for www camera attached to my computer.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #305 on: June 22, 2008, 10:06:36 PM »
I think that Davey device is simply an acoustic transducer with a shell,but in that case the proposed shape is misleading in my opinion. Someone with deeped knowledge should analyze when is the focal point of generated sound waves!

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #306 on: June 22, 2008, 10:11:10 PM »
If you are not a musician then it may be difficult unless you use a program to analyze the bell frequency. I believe you want it tuned to (depending on what your mains frequency is) (50, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600) or (60, 120, 240, 480, 960, 1920) Hopefully your bell is a little lower than one of those frequencies. Then just slowly grind it down until you reach one of those frequencies. Of course the lower ones will be impossible but I just listed then to show the octave relationship to the mains.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #307 on: June 22, 2008, 10:16:57 PM »
I have found very interesting behaviour of two bike bells loosely lying on then common rod. If you periodically rise and fall the outer bell over the inner one (letting him to fall down due to gravity) you will hear and feel strange vibration.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #308 on: June 22, 2008, 10:31:22 PM »

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #309 on: June 22, 2008, 10:42:59 PM »
@Storre 

No: I did not try any tuning.


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I thinking tuning is the key (pun intended) :) Do you have a way to compare the tone of one of the bells with a piano or guitar or check it with a frequency analyzer?

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #310 on: June 22, 2008, 10:44:09 PM »
I keep on seeing the wrong information being given about harmonics.
It is like this
if your fundamental frequency is 50hz as with the AC mains then the resonant frequencies are multiples of that. ie 50 , 100, 150 , 200 and so on. Not as is being stated by some as 50, 100, 200, 400

With respect, I Believe you to be wrong on this matter, and it is VERY important.

It is not about harmonics; it is about octaves.

Octaves double every time. In England, using 50 cycles, the first octave is 100 hz.
The second octave is at 200 hz. The next one is at 400hz. This is crucial to
understanding the method, which has given a COP of 20. This link may be
helpful:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter14.pdf
(I think the important stuff starts at page 21 or thereabouts.

Paul.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #311 on: June 22, 2008, 11:01:13 PM »
Imo there are 4 MAJOR problems within the discussions over the weekend:
1) some of our valuable experimenters including the invaluable @ND are starting to get discouraged but there is no reason for them to, as they did not do the tuningssssss.
2) there is a confusion about the harmonics of 50Hz. (I am on @storre's side)
3) WE HAVE SOMEONE IN XCHURCH! If I were him I would go and visit this old timer with a watt meter. Old men like to talk about their experiences! He will tell many invaluable things! You could easily tell him that we (I am sure everyone here will support this) want to invest on this device if it consumes little power and see what he says!
4) Only one member tried to encourage @green to go and see Davey the others ignored the fact that one of us live in there!


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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #312 on: June 22, 2008, 11:19:31 PM »

@Storre:
 
Yes, tuning should be the key and even the pitch (pun intended)... :)
yes, I have a way to check the freq (an old sampler and software for ex).
I used to compose music and even acousmatic (concrete) music
(http://freenrg.info/My_Zique/).

But, should I have the patience, the capacity and and the means to tune
this device (it is not like my guitar) is another question. ???

This devices (with random COPS) sound as 'elusive' as a fish... And you can't
tune a fish! (puns intended).  :D

@Paul-R:
Yes, it is about octaves but fifths (DO - SOL) should also work, IMHO.

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #313 on: June 22, 2008, 11:33:11 PM »
Yes 5ths I will test for too, after I test for the octave. I will only start making my bells (and will try cones) next week but not understanding why they are hard to tune. Should be just like tuning tubes. Grind and bang, grind and bang :) I know the harmonics can sometimes overcome the fundamental but usually the fundamental sustains longer so just wait a bit.

And since we are trading music I thought I would pitch in some of my compositions :)
http://idisk.mac.com/stevetorrence-Public?view=web

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Re: Peter Davey Heater
« Reply #314 on: June 22, 2008, 11:47:39 PM »
Oh come on ND.
If this community can not solve the mysteries of this device, which device will it uncover?
I will give some reasons:
1) It is the simplest one ever!
2) The inventor is alive!
3) There is one of us who lives where he lives
4) The "how it works" of it seems to be discussed in fair detail and most find it logical. (It may not work the way most of us seem to agree on or it may even be a hoax as some of us including me implied. But for gods sake, lets first try it in the way it is described and we think it may work (1600Hz 3.5 cm inner bell and 4.5cm outer bell and distance tuning) and then throw it into the hoaxes bin if it fails.)

I can relate to your disappointment but do not understand why you insist on
making more experiments before you tune it. (I am sure you have good reasons)
But then, when you do, you should not get discouraged.  :)
With all due respect.