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Offline allcanadian

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Tesla Resonance
« on: February 05, 2008, 12:09:41 AM »
At the following link ---- http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/tesla/biog.txt ---- Tesla describes how as a child he and some friends rolled small snowballs down a moutainside and one had reached the size of a house which facinated him that so feeble an action could lead to an avalanche of energy. He also mentioned that like so many people we take the power of observation for granted. So lets explore the simple snowball effect, I find it very interesting that physics has no description for Teslas snowball   we can describe the work performed (F x D) when a snowball is dropped or rolls down a gradient --- the vertical drop is distance and gravity the force, but there is no calculation, no equation that describes the inherent qualities or properties needed to produce a magnification of force and energy as in the case of the snowball. In the case of the snowball we could say it does nothing other than start a reaction, what is most important in this case is the qualities of the media involved, that is the snow must be sticky enough to adhere and fluffy enough to pack as the snowball rolls to withstand centrifugal forces trying to tear it apart. So we can say the qualities and conditions must be "perfect" to produce this "snowball" effect, we could also say the initial energy input has literally no bearing on the resultant energy output. I think this avalanche effect in electrical terms must be resonance with external forces, I have seen resonance in action and can tell you it is pretty wild. I used a 1.5v battery and rheostat to power a micro toothbrush motor on a two foot long 1/8th inch metal rod attached to a vice on my bench. A super small vibration leading to a larger one in the rod and my 3' x 8' bench was making a loud noise and all my tools were moving all over the place, small nuts and bolts dancing 1/16th inch off the bench. Physics cannot explain this, take all the energy involved in the movement and noise in this example and compare that to the few milliamps needed to produce it and it becomes pretty obvious something is out of place.
In any case I found the link above a pretty intersting read  :)

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Tesla Resonance
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2008, 12:13:57 AM »
I wonder if Tesla left us a clue in regards to his snowball scenario in my last post? Did you make the connection? I was a little slow on the draw as usual, it took me 20 minutes of analogies to get this.
We have a snowball which physics says will perform work in a gradient ( the mountain side )based on----, Work = Force x Distance, the Force being (Mass x acceleration) the acceleration is gravity. But physics has never considered the "snowball" effect or "avalanche" effect as it relates to nature, when qualities and conditions are correct the snowball will gain a massive amount of energy based on a gain in MASS, acceleration due to gravity is constant, it supplies the energy to the ever growing mass of snow. The "connection" is resonance, consider a mass (tuning fork) that is vibrating, it could be considered a single entity until many resonant tuning forks are brought close to it. At that point all the tuning forks could be considered as acting in unison, they could also be considered as a very much larger MASS vibrating at the same rate---all as one--- all reinforcing one another. The "resonant" system has gained MASS in motion and in doing so the force has increased as well as the ability to do work. The original tuning fork does not need to furnish all the energy so we could say resonance is a magnifying effect but it depends on the "amount" of mass in resonance. The qualities and conditions of each individual mass determine how close to pure resonance each element is in respect to the whole--- the greater mass in resonance acting as one.
Yet another reason why Tesla ROCKS!!

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2008, 01:42:32 AM »
at this rate, someone is going to have a free energy device in no time.

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Offline jeanna

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2008, 03:06:28 AM »
And so a skater starts a spin. The arms are out then he begins to pull them in and spins faster and faster as the arms get closer to the center.
And so Tesla's coils taper and the radius gets smaller and smaller the speed of the frequency gets higher and higher as it approaches the top.
And a tornado / torsion field is always more powerful at the narrower end....
And a sine wave in 3 dimensions gets rounder and fatter then narrower and finally gets to a point in time (a 4th dimension) then begins again
wild thoughts, sorry for the intrusion.  :D

Offline Ren

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 02:41:10 AM »
Awesome analogy AC! There you go again, making me think :o :D

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 02:50:35 AM »
wouldnt that skater be then  doing  center-seeking movement, i.e. centripetal  moving-inwards movement?
self-organization would seem to insist that this'd result in an increasingly accelerated  movement. or something.

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 03:39:37 AM »
All good thoughts folks.

The hurdle that folks can't seem to jump is that resonance is not a two dimensional thing. Certainly 3 and most likely 4. All they see is that little squiggle on the scope. They measure the volts and the amps but seldom look at the flux because they 'know' what it will be.

It isn't just a spring moving up and down. It is a spring moving up and down and around and whichever else direction.

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 03:56:36 AM »
yeah it would appear that we are trying to come to grips with at least a x y & radial  setup. russell draws about the wave  extensively.

but in other places, i came across this and found it nice
(http://www.sfu.ca/sonic-studio/handbook/Graphics/Simple_Harmonic.gif)
having never seen anyone describe a sinewave as a 360degree sphere, i was interested. this is the second time i come across this.

the fact that our oscilloscopes only show  a couple of things doesnt really help with tracking down  pulsed spikes or electrostatic discharges or wotever it is that people are doing. i'd like to take an oscilloscope and look at the line from behind the line. so instead of ---/\/---- it would look like .  and that would get larger according to the phase, panning etc of the field.
if we could see electricity via modified oscilloscopes, all these FWBR/phase/reactive power  etc  resonance based pulsation based stuff would come into full focus.
if only.

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 04:24:05 AM »
The sad part is that a fairly good tech could make it appear 3-D on almost any scope. But it would still be missing things, I'm sure.

Showing it as a circle is the first step in learning how a wave works - for anybody.
Now showing it as a sphere? That would be too close to reality.

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Re: Tesla Resonance
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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 04:31:28 AM »
how would you go about doing that? if i had to choose i'd get an analog oscilloscope, not one o fthose fiddly usb digital ones. i dont suppose you'd make it 3d by running it through an 3d engine now would you?
what kind of fairly good tech are you talking about, please? not a hardware-software combination, i take it?

I'll have to fish out some russell wave sphere drawings. another guy who spent much time in wave motion was Dr t.j.j. See.

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 05:54:36 AM »
It would probably be like someone at Industrial Light & Magic
 
It would help a lot,

How do you describe it, BEP? Can you make a word picture for resonance? I mean the wave appearance of resonance?

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2008, 03:52:03 PM »
No computers or programs needed. Just make use of the 'other' jacks on the back of the scope. Some circuitry may be required.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl507zEkxD0

They wouldn't let us have TV in 'the tomb'. We could pickup any EM signal from almost anywhere. After a while it only took a few minutes to get the networks downlink and display it on a scope. Not pretty but entertaining.

I'm sure it is much better now with scopes running windblows  ;D

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2008, 07:04:06 PM »
Erfinder please do not remove the part about Chladni. Everyone should know about him.
I saw in a related video which had a url of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g&feature=related some waveforms that look like many of Chladni's forms.
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They wouldn't let us have TV in 'the tomb'. We could pickup any EM signal from almost anywhere. After a while it only took a few minutes to get the networks downlink and display it on a scope. Not pretty but entertaining
BEP what does this mean esp. 'in the tomb'?

Thanks for that link. I saw some forms I was trying to describe. especially the torsion field shape that never resolved back down to zero to look like a sinewave. But it turned around at its peak and returned to the original start point.

I have been thinking about these forms for many years.

Thing is if you look at a wave from the far right end of the x axis straight up the x line, I think you see a sound wave moving outward forever. I see nothing to make it return to the x line. The circle of russell, explains what folks are trying to say, but is it what is really happening?

What if the form goes out from x=0,y=0,z=0 but then hits something (?) that makes it return to  (x=0.y-0,z=0) and on its way back it makes a mirror of the original waveform only in reverse which is what makes it look like a plain sinewave. I am not sure what the mirror needs to look like for the wave to not cancel itself on returning. Maybe just the mass of air or gases would define this and encourage the return.

hmmmm

jeanna

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 07:20:09 PM »
Hey Folks,

I dont know how many of you are familiar with linux source packages or compiling but if those words are exciting to you and dont scare you this link may be worth your while , heres the description

qliss3d renders 3d-Lissajous-figures (figures made of a different sine functions for each dimension) with a Qt interface. You can look at the figures from any viewing position you like and even "listen" to the sound of the figures.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/qliss3d/  Seemed to be a good addition to the scope dicussion  :)
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PS if you can take the music this one is real Cool this guy has applied textures to the wave forms somehow at the end but another great demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g&NR=1
« Last Edit: February 10, 2008, 07:40:42 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: Tesla Resonance
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2008, 02:06:26 PM »
Erfinder says scopes are a waste. I agree, in most cases.

A scope is very limiting at even the best application when it comes to harmonic resonance. The fancy displays are great but they can be the result of not only how you perceive them but also how they are connected.

So, if you don't understand what you are looking for you probably never will connect the scope correctly.
In any case, a scope shot is just a 'slice' of any view. Most folks use it to get a 'flatlander's' view of a 3-D world. Now when you consider more than 3 dimensions - what are we really looking at?

A scope is a great tool - but it is just a tool. It is there to help you visualize not visualize for you.

The tomb is a reference to a past job that had no windows or EM eminations.

To better show what I mean by your perceptions of what you see being important - view the graphic showing electric vectors.

When viewing a circle or rotation in time the scope will show it as a sine wave. All you see are the straight or vector parts of the wave - re: the straight lines on the graphic. If you have two such signals, in the same wire or other medium, you have two circles. If they are rotating the same direction and the same speed they are in-phase with each other. If then one is faster than the other it is leading and out of phase. What will this cause? A relative motion.

It is far more fun when the two are travelling different directions and even different speeds. If you see only what is on the scope you may only see a wave that has three bumps on the rise and three similar bumps on the fall of the wave. Depending upon how you are connected that ugly wave may be proof of a dual-vortex with opposite rotation per end and highest energy density in the physical center.

It is best to grab some scope usage literature and experiment so you'll know what you see when it is displayed.

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