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Offline wizkycho

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RMEP
« on: February 01, 2008, 04:08:45 PM »
Hi All !

again same principle, again knowone ever tried
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mep1.htm

but this time setup that is easily build

sorry for maybe too big picture !

only magnet at the botom needs to be rotated creating (very weak,very strong) oscilations of mag field.

rotating magnet is easily rotated (allmost only friction)  cause in every position it is in Sigma same field.

magnets don't run out (like poles are not directly confronted)

light grennish is permeable material

Wiz
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RMEP
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Re: RMEP
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2008, 09:36:20 PM »
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well I could think of one reason why it wouldn't work... then again it might.

is this too silly idea to comment ?

any comment is appriciated,  because thing is very simple to build and should it work.

...lonely in space... ?

Wiz


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Re: RMEP
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 07:20:49 PM »
Hello Igor,

The question is if the flux change you receive at the ends of the permeable materials is able to cause enough 'juice'  for keeping up the rotation of the lower diagonally magnetized magnet? 

No theory could it foretell for 100% sure, if it is overunity or not,  only a practical test.

I wonder what reason occured to you on why it might not work as ou?  Lenz law in case of placing coils at the ends?

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Offline wizkycho

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Re: RMEP
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 11:52:21 AM »

linear output assembly for simplicity and to clarify how the device should work

...maybe static perameable plates needs to be longer to avoid direct attracation of slider and center magnet(s).


question:

when slider (permeable cube) sticks to one side, would it cause necessity for higher energy input in coils to cause rotating magnet
change poles (rotate for 180%) ?

...my oppinion is - at first it looks like so, but when rotating magnet starts to rotate it closes its flux on itself and doesn't interact with slider or very slightly. Could work.

what do you think ?

wiz


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Re: RMEP
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 12:45:12 PM »
Hi,

Once you create the changing poles in your electromagnet, why do you need the rotary permanent magnet?
I do not think it is neccessary. 
If you form the electromagnets surface area to match the half circle (or whatever) surface of the permeable material, you will receive changing flux in the same way at its ends.  (In this case the upper nonmoveable magnet should be replaced by a horseshoe type magnet.)
You could still combine somehow the electromagnet with a (non-rotating) permanent magnet to increase its strength (like in polar electromagnets or in parallel path technology)...

I think if you can create the situation shown in your Naudin link before ( http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mep1.htm ) with your changing pole electromagnets, then there may be a chance...

On your question: yes, the slider' mass and airgaps between the sliding surfaces can reflect back at the electromagnet's input power need...  maybe possible to compensate a little with springs?

Gyula

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Re: RMEP
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 01:21:47 PM »
Hi,

Once you create the changing poles in your electromagnet, why do you need the rotary permanent magnet?
I do not think it is neccessary. 
If you form the electromagnets surface area to match the half circle (or whatever) surface of the permeable material, you will receive changing flux in the same way at its ends.
You could still combine somehow the electromagnet with a (non-rotating) permanent magnet to increase its strength (like in polar electromagnets or in parallel path technology)...

I think if you can create the situation shown in your Naudin link before ( http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mep1.htm ) with your changing pole electromagnets, then there may be a chance...

Gyula

Interesting is that knowone (neither have I) continued with such proposal and see if electromagnet can replace PM as suggested.
because of three things I think rotating magnet has better chance here - strong magnetic field is allready created within (doesn't have to be recreated using energy) and second permeability of core of el.mag. allso is good path for mag flux of static magnet so this flux needs to be "pushed out" first (again using more energy). this is only speculation. Needs experimental proof/dissaproval.
and third using magnets is experimentaly proven (Naudin link)
el.mag. is good way of reducing moveable parts.
What is most intriguing in such setups is that when strong fields are changing mechanical
output is strong and there is no Lenzlike counter effect except eddy currents that are "easily" overcomed using laminated not conducting permeable material. This gives us wide space of taping lot's of FE

wiz

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Re: RMEP
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 01:46:35 PM »
Hi,

Mostly you are right. 

But a similar (not exactly the same) principle like yours was a topic here years ago and unfortunately nobody reported any good or bad practical results on it:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,309.0.html (click on magneticenergypump_2.gif  picture to see the animation)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,302.msg1917.html#msg1917  reply#15:   motor.gif

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