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Author Topic: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !  (Read 12406 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« on: January 29, 2008, 01:43:58 PM »
Have a look at
user ktservicecop?s latest videos:
http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ktservicescorp

He needs only about 0.7 Watts input
and gets over 3 Watts out at light bulbs powered by charged up capacitors
from BackEMF and his alternator.

Looks very nice.
Hopefully the input amps are not measured wrongly with his
digital amp meter due to the pulsing.
But he surely can have the Newman effect on the relay points
making it need less input power due to the arcing at the relay contacts.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 04:09:57 PM »
I am looking for a way to correctly measure what the input is for the pulse motor. This motor will run for a VERY long time on the 12v battery. I ran it for 4 days straight, until one of the magnets flew off  ::) lol, and the voltage only dropped from 12.20 to 12.05v. I know someone on this sight can help me measure the input watts correctly. I DO NOT want to give misleading information. I am going to post a video today and show exactly how this is wired up. People have been asking for the schematics and I keep telling them to start with a pulse motor. You can see how one is built and can buy the glass reed switches from simplemotors.com. I look forward to a response.

Todd(ktservicescorp, youtube)
P.S. I didn't know a thing about electronics 4 months ago. As a hobby I make classic furniture and can build anything I set my mind on. Please bear with my ignorance while we get through this.

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 08:06:07 AM »
I am looking for a way to correctly measure what the input is for the pulse motor.

Hello Todd,

Keep squeezing, you can get more Power out of your system. (Tunning, Tolerance, Precision, Qulity)

Here's an example of a 48 Volt Stator at 140 rpm - stator is wound with #15 AWG wire, 9 coils (105 turns); cast in a mixture of vinyl ester and ATH (Aluminum trihydroxide).  The stator is 1/2 inch thick and 15.5 inches in diameter.


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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 08:06:07 AM »
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Offline tinu

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 10:32:33 AM »
I am looking for a way to correctly measure what the input is for the pulse motor.

Hi Todd,

I?m in a run. The issue is too complex for a short reply but basically you may, for a start, wish to filter (integrate would be the correct term) the current spikes as you already did for the output. Buy several resistors (5W should do it) of about 50-300ohm and also and a large capacitor rated 12V min. Place the ammeter in between battery and resistor. Output from resistor and from the other pole of the battery goes both on the capacitor, which is in parallel with the motor. You?ll need a second DMM to measure voltage on the capacitor (This is a must; can?t work with just one DMM. But a cheap DMM model will suffice for voltage measurement. An analog one /an old one with needle/ is even better). For best results, the capacitor is recommended to be as large as possible (the larger, the better; it?s only depending on the money you?re willing to spend; one of several hundreds thousands microfarads is not very expensive and it should do it; electrolytic is acceptable and quite cheap). For minimizing the errors, you have to try several combinations in identifying the largest resistor that keeps your motor running. Eventually a rheostat instead of fixed resistor(s) may be of great help. In the same time, the voltage on capacitor shall keep into reasonable fluctuations. (If the capacitor is large enough, you shall apparently see no fluctuations at all on DMM voltage readings). It is possible that you?ll find a need to increase the initial voltage (i.e. to use two series 12v batteries series connected). If you?ll find this is the case, do it. The only concerns are the heat dissipated on the resistor and the capacitor maximum rated voltage. Power in = current (through resistor) X voltage (on capacitor). Notice that the method is just an approximation but it is not bad and the alternative would require an oscilloscope and some knowledge that may take quite a long time to be grasped.

Hope it helps,
Tinu

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »
Hi Todd,
many thanks for coming over here.

Yes, one can run such a pulse motor
on attraction or repellation.
Depends how you configure your magnet poles
and your coil polarity during the firing pulse.
With more coils surely you will have more torque
and thus more output power.

But if your input current reading is right,
and really so low
you should be able to selfrun the motor
already.

Just use the 10 Volts x about 200 mA output coil-cap combination to loop it back to the input and it should already selfrun !
;) Good luck !
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »
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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2008, 07:45:57 AM »
... People have been asking for the schematics and I keep telling them to start with a pulse motor.


Todd,

How many RPM's did the pulse motor loose, running Todd's Sidekick Generator (TSG) ?

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2008, 07:49:33 PM »
He has posted his circuit diagramm now and it is very easy to replicate.

Have a look over here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF5LalIA6WA

He did not yet post,
if he can selfrun it from his output only...

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2008, 05:34:44 PM »
I apparently need some larger caps (100,000uf)+. I know I am producing enough for a self runner, I am just learning about the switching circuits to be able to do this without melting something lol. I have to study the reply from schpankme. Thank you for getting me over here. It will take what I am building to the next level for sure!! Thank you all for you help. My next stator will be a larger gauge wire 15-18 and more turns 100-150. I will do this after I test the torque on the neodymium magnets I am placing on the pulse motor. I have 1" dia by 3/8" thick round neo's (4 of course). I believe this will create more back EMF, more intense collapse on the second winding, and more torque for the alternator. We shall see :)

Ciao,
Todd

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2008, 05:38:55 PM »
Schpankme,
     I lost half my RPM's when I put the stator close to the rotor. I adjusted the timing on the pulse motor to compensate for the loss. I need to measure exact RPM's for you guys. I am only going on what I hear my relay doing(clicking away!) I must invest some more dough (analog meters, RPM gauges etc...) because I know I am on to something.

Todd

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2008, 05:49:41 PM »
I hear your quest to test the actually input of this device, this is a stiking point for many.

Why not charge up a capacitor bank, several farads, to a predeternined voltage, and test how long the motor will run. Maybe start it off of a battery, so that It can get up to speed and into its sweet spot, then switch over to the cap bank, and start taking note, when you decide to pull the plug on it, or it stops on its own, notice the voltage in the caps, now you would have the difference between final and initial, and you have a set capacitance for reference, and you can easily calculate how much energy was used as a function of time.

You can take this further, but adding a second identical, empty bank of caps to the output, and see how far they fill at the same time.

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2008, 01:42:12 AM »
Hi Todd,
many thanks for the new infos.
But if you can not loop this back to a selfrunner with your  2000 uF cap then your input current is much higher than your digital ampmeter shows...
 Try to use only analog meters as with pulse motors digital meters are jammed all the time.
Also from my experience you are probably drawing more than 100 milliamps in your driver coil and not just around 50 milliamps..
Probably your DVM ampmeter reading is wrong.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2008, 03:12:58 PM »
Stefan,
   You are probably right. I bought some panel meters online so they should arrive in a couple of days. I have written in my description that this may not be accurate information on the input and have ask for similar help there. I don't want to make false claims. Has anyone seen magnacoastermotors videos before he pulled them? I received a letter from them the other day that they are in full production. It read that they are accepting customers who are interested in pricing to go to their websight and fill in a request form. I have yet to do that.

Todd

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Re: Bedini type pulse motor measured overunity !
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 07:45:53 AM »
Hello to all.

I have been a lurker but I think Im getting ready to get my feet wet...

Just want to know from Todd if there are any new news from your Bedini/Pulse project?


You guys have been a very great mentor/s and because of you...

Nastrand2000 http://www.youtube.com/user/Nastrand2000
Kubikop http://www.youtube.com/user/kubikop
Andresa Ganora http://www.youtube.com/user/AndreaGanora

And of course

Ktservicecorp http://www.youtube.com/user/ktservicescorp

You guys are an inspiration... keep up the good work...

Thank you.

 

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