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Author Topic: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance  (Read 20097 times)

Offline argona369

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Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« on: January 28, 2008, 07:55:55 AM »
Well, just some interesting stuff found while looking
At Left Hand Materials.

The Left-Handed Transmission Line.

?By swapping the roles of capacitance and inductance in a circuit model of a transmission line - which is used in electrical engineering to represent microwave devices such as waveguides and optical fibres - they arrived at the circuit equivalent of a negative-index material?
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/17398


Which sounded very familiar,
From here, http://www.icehouse.net/john1/

Is this really Kron?s negative resistor?
The left hand transmission line.
http://www.edt.bham.ac.uk/hightemp.htm

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2008, 03:38:47 PM »
Yes, very interesting.

Although that first link you gave is 5 years old, and basicslly describes what was later dubbed metamaterial in general,
the other two are certainly interesting...
Now as you may (or may not) know, Bedini studied both Grays technology and Sweets VTA technology, and Sweet was a "student" of
Krons... And although Krons true negative resistor element is secret since he did that work for the US Navy, he did leave some anecdotes and remarks in his books and interviews.
Gray, Sweet, Kron, and Bedini, all of them have made remarks along the same lines. I'd like to quote Kron, as the quoted sentence says it all, really;
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"Although negative resistors do exist for use with a Network Analyzer, in practice it is more convenient to use a second type of circuit, in which the positive and negative resistances are replaced by inductors and capacitors and the dc currents and voltages are replaced by ac currents and voltages of fixed frequency. The use of this second type of interpretation is equivalent to multiplying the wave equation by i=sq.rt(-1)."
(note that he does not only admit that true negative resistors apparently had been developed, but were very few in number, but also that he claims to multiply the numbers by a non-real value... Intriguing? ;))

Now if you look at the circuits as used by Gray, Sweet, Bedini, and also as depicted in that last link you provided, argona369, you will see very clear similarities.
At least, it seems to me like they all have switched the resistors with inductors, and placed capacitors where they would have liked to have negative resistors...

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2008, 04:09:38 PM »
german link to krown.

http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/presse/vakumenergie_NetJ_4.2006.pdf

he was working for General Electric , if he found this.

( and devices , that working longer if he "switched the line power OFF.


G.E. have forbid hin to work lomger with this pehenomena.

Pese

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2008, 09:05:20 PM »
german link to krown.

http://www.teslasociety.ch/info/presse/vakumenergie_NetJ_4.2006.pdf

he was working for General Electric , if he found this.

( and devices , that working longer if he "switched the line power OFF.


G.E. have forbid hin to work lomger with this pehenomena.

Pese


>G.E. have forbid hin to work lomger with this pehenomena.

it looks like anyone can now, if this is indeed Kron?s ?secret?.

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 12:17:06 PM »
This is not Krons secret "negative resistor", but it is related and can be used as effective NR in most cases,
as is very clear from the remark I quoted and will quote again here:

Quote from: Kron
"Although negative resistors do exist for use with a Network Analyzer, in practice it is more convenient to use a second type of circuit,
In other words: Kron did have a true negative resistor, but in most practical cases did not use it, but instead used a second circuit (connected to the original circuit and intended to produce effective negative resistance, or at least an effect very close to it!)
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in which the positive and negative resistances are replaced by inductors and capacitors and the dc currents and voltages are replaced by ac currents and voltages of fixed frequency."
So that second circuit is an ac circuit, where inductor (coils) are used instead of the normal resistances (be it resistors or loads) in the original dc circuit, and where capacitors are used where in the dc circuit one would want to place negative resistors.
But since we don't use NRs, we use this second circuit instead.
I don't think he means that we do away with the original dc circuit in which a negative resistor would have been sufficient to produce OU.
I think he means we keep the dc circuit, but we couple the second ac circuit to the dc circuit, and this can result in extremely efficient and possibly even OU function of the original dc circuit.
The reason why I think so is that Kron also "invented" and used the term "open path" with which he meant the path of the back emf. In (a version of) his interpretation, there was a 'positive' electrical energy running from the battery's "positive" pole to the "negative" pole, and this current is responsible for doing the "work" in motors, lamps, and circuits, and it produces heat when flowing. A path suitable for this type of current to flow through was referred to by Kron as a "closed path", which still accords with common electrical terminology. But in Krons view, and in fact in the view of many scientists of the day, including Gray, there was also an opposite energy flow. This "negative" energy flow is the cause of all the opposing forces and effects seen in a current flow. So back emf, and all the related effects, are all the result of this opposite energy flow, running from the "negative" pole of the battery to the "positive" pole. In normal circuits, this second energy flow is ignored, a circuit is considered a functionable and complete circuit if the path from positive pole to negative pole is closed, and all possible "leakage" is led into a common "ground", which is most often not actually a ground at all, just a common connection for all "negative" leads and their excess charges. But Kron decided this second energy flow should be looked at and used as well, thus creating a second, "open path" instead of a "ground".
This is the second type of circuit he is talking about: the circuit to accomodate the second and "negative" energy flow.
Kron also clearly stated:
Quote from: Kron
"The use of this second type of interpretation is equivalent to multiplying the wave equation by i=sq.rt(-1)."
Now that is quite a claim... :)

Also, in another report, Kron said:
Quote from: Kron
(in this situation...)"we replace a positive resistance"(read: resistor, load, or any other element showing resistance)" by an inductance, and a negative resistance"(read: where we'd like to have one)" by a capacitor (since none, or at least only a few, negative resistors exist on network analyzers)."
Clearly he admits there is a shortage of true negative resistors, and that they use this trick to get the same or similar effect.

Gray also said:
Quote from: Gray
"To negative energy, a coil produces capacitance, and a capacitor produces inductance."
(and as you know, a coil normally produces inductance, and a capacitor capacitance.) This is clearly almost identical to what Kron said.
More of Grays statements related to this:
Quote from: Gray
"A positive energy resistor is a negative resistor to negative energy. It converges positive EM energy from the environment and outputs into the circuit to which it's connected."
"a conductor to positive energy flow is an isolator to negative energy flow"
"negative energy has very high potential"

The "currentless potential" is a concept that one can also see in the Bearden/Bedini circuits.

If anyone has any positive results experimenting with this idea of Krons double circuit,
please do post them here, I would very much like to read them.

regards,
Koen1
« Last Edit: January 29, 2008, 12:51:16 PM by Koen1 »

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 07:47:16 PM »
this might be another missing part.
131% (total input to output?) and a standing wave resonator.

in the least, an infinite wavelength device is an interesting
new area for research.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20080001684.html
« Last Edit: February 09, 2008, 03:02:18 AM by argona369 »

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 07:34:15 AM »
Yes, very interesting.

Although that first link you gave is 5 years old, and basicslly describes what was later dubbed metamaterial in general,
the other two are certainly interesting...
Now as you may (or may not) know, Bedini studied both Grays technology and Sweets VTA technology, and Sweet was a "student" of
Krons... And although Krons true negative resistor element is secret since he did that work for the US Navy, he did leave some anecdotes and remarks in his books and interviews.
Gray, Sweet, Kron, and Bedini, all of them have made remarks along the same lines. I'd like to quote Kron, as the quoted sentence says it all, really;(note that he does not only admit that true negative resistors apparently had been developed, but were very few in number, but also that he claims to multiply the numbers by a non-real value... Intriguing? ;) )

Now if you look at the circuits as used by Gray, Sweet, Bedini, and also as depicted in that last link you provided, argona369, you will see very clear similarities.
At least, it seems to me like they all have switched the resistors with inductors, and placed capacitors where they would have liked to have negative resistors...




This was his way of telling us to build the circuit using anything but the negative resistor was "irrational".   It is an old advanced math class second hand description of saying "nonsense".    He got that pasted the censors as well.

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2014, 03:14:46 AM »
VERY old topic that I stumbled upon, but... the 3rd link argona369 mentioned [http://www.edt.bham.ac.uk/hightemp.htm] is dead. I searched edt.bhm.ac.uk and found Qing Liu's PdD paper at http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/595/1/Liu10PhD.pdf

Perhaps this is the original reference, but it appears to be relevant nonetheless.

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 07:48:13 PM »
I know this. The government told him what he was allowed to say and how to say it. This is documented, look for it. The 2 main areas censored is materials and the heavy side of the circuit. From words from his mouth the material is secret, part of the trick is to identify which materials go on the list. ( I believe iron and carbon are on this list) ( Check the years iron was phased out from 99% of all electrical apparatus manufactured.)

Another thing that was hidden was the fact that some oxides are super conductors.

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 02:36:28 AM »
This is not Krons secret "negative resistor", but it is related and can be used as effective NR in most cases,
as is very clear from the remark I quoted and will quote again here:
In other words: Kron did have a true negative resistor, but in most practical cases did not use it, but instead used a second circuit (connected to the original circuit and intended to produce effective negative resistance, or at least an effect very close to it!) So that second circuit is an ac circuit, where inductor (coils) are used instead of the normal resistances (be it resistors or loads) in the original dc circuit, and where capacitors are used where in the dc circuit one would want to place negative resistors.
But since we don't use NRs, we use this second circuit instead.
I don't think he means that we do away with the original dc circuit in which a negative resistor would have been sufficient to produce OU.
I think he means we keep the dc circuit, but we couple the second ac circuit to the dc circuit, and this can result in extremely efficient and possibly even OU function of the original dc circuit.
The reason why I think so is that Kron also "invented" and used the term "open path" with which he meant the path of the back emf. In (a version of) his interpretation, there was a 'positive' electrical energy running from the battery's "positive" pole to the "negative" pole, and this current is responsible for doing the "work" in motors, lamps, and circuits, and it produces heat when flowing. A path suitable for this type of current to flow through was referred to by Kron as a "closed path", which still accords with common electrical terminology. But in Krons view, and in fact in the view of many scientists of the day, including Gray, there was also an opposite energy flow. This "negative" energy flow is the cause of all the opposing forces and effects seen in a current flow. So back emf, and all the related effects, are all the result of this opposite energy flow, running from the "negative" pole of the battery to the "positive" pole. In normal circuits, this second energy flow is ignored, a circuit is considered a functionable and complete circuit if the path from positive pole to negative pole is closed, and all possible "leakage" is led into a common "ground", which is most often not actually a ground at all, just a common connection for all "negative" leads and their excess charges. But Kron decided this second energy flow should be looked at and used as well, thus creating a second, "open path" instead of a "ground".
This is the second type of circuit he is talking about: the circuit to accomodate the second and "negative" energy flow.
Kron also clearly stated: Now that is quite a claim... :)

Also, in another report, Kron said:  Clearly he admits there is a shortage of true negative resistors, and that they use this trick to get the same or similar effect.

Gray also said:  (and as you know, a coil normally produces inductance, and a capacitor capacitance.) This is clearly almost identical to what Kron said.
More of Grays statements related to this:
The "currentless potential" is a concept that one can also see in the Bearden/Bedini circuits.

If anyone has any positive results experimenting with this idea of Krons double circuit,
please do post them here, I would very much like to read them.

regards,
Koen1
What is the source of this negative energy? It seems we know some of the ways in which it manifests itself (e.g., bemf, movment of charge from neg to pos).
However what is its source?  Is it the dielectric medium?
Bob

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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2014, 02:15:30 AM »
                     bi-or dielectric medium = RF or IR/UR-wave frequency  Nantenna

                                  Thermodynamics and Brownian Movement


                                  Celsius          positive/0°/negative
                                  Fahrenheit    positive/0°/negative
                                  Kelvin            positive/0°                  zero pont/Nullpunkt


                    resistance : good/bad/no conduction/channeling


                   0° to 180°                     and                  180° to 360°  Hertzianische Schwingkreis     
                 
                                                        and                                                       http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomsonsche_Schwingungsgleichung
                                              Kelvinsche     

                resistance: overcoming it ~ trans- : trans-resistor shortly transistor


                            seriell/parallel array =  f.e. n/p/n-transitor cell modul also cold "solar cell modul"


 to thermionic/thermovoltaic cells =nantenna capturing = 0° Kelvin waves = THz bandgap width
                                              Infra-/Ultra Red radiation 


              www.io.com (www.archive.org) Fellows Research Group defined it also as e-pump
              Joseph C- Yater in his description : cold/heat pump,amplifier,heat to electricity converter
              Alvin Marks,Lumilite:  1US$/qm production costs,10US$/qm selling price (1984)

S
  OCWL
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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2014, 04:32:57 PM »
I know this. The government told him what he was allowed to say and how to say it. This is documented, look for it. The 2 main areas censored is materials and the heavy side of the circuit. From words from his mouth the material is secret, part of the trick is to identify which materials go on the list. ( I believe iron and carbon are on this list) ( Check the years iron was phased out from 99% of all electrical apparatus manufactured.)

Another thing that was hidden was the fact that some oxides are super conductors.
There was an interesting video posted online about 7 years ago in which the poster used the end of a flame from a butane torch to blacken the end of a stainless steel tube with carbon, and demonstrated how it was functioning as a negative resistor. I haven't seen it in a long time; it may be taken down.  As far as soft iron - apparently it's not as available in North America as it once was. An Indian poster on a forum I was reading suggested that it could be ordered from India; he might've also provided a link. I don't remember.

Certain bipolar transistors connected in reverse bias without a base connection have been shown to function as negative resistors:
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It's pretty well known that "negative resistance" can be used to generate oscillations in electronic circuits.  What's not so well known is that some ordinary NPN transistors such as the 2N2222, 2N3904 and 2N4401 exhibit negative resistance when reversed biased.  Note that the base of the transistor is not used; the transistor functions as a diode. Output is taken off the emitter. 
Source:  http://www.tompolk.com/inventions/455_KHz_Oscillator/455_KHz_Oscillator.html
One among many YT videos on negative resistance, using reverse bias transistors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpGOKGrcpAk
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2014, 11:23:20 PM »
                                  Probably it would help to compare :


         Nantenna Transistor -LCR-circuit and the fusion-reactor 'torus' nano-dimensional process
                                                           and 
100 000 000 °C / 30 000 000 000 000 Hz (= 30 THz) including mass/time-space-compression
                            Tera Giga Mega Kilo

                                                          1 Hz  = 1 cycle/sec = 2 pulses/sec       

                  saxonic : dreissig Billionen Hertzianische Schwingungen
         anglo-saxonic: thirty     trillions   hertzian         cycles
 
                 saxonic: Milliarde anglo-saxonic: billion

                                   mental Potenz and Magnitude difference


                                   + FISICA basic language : small/great Latinum

                                           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joule
               
Multiples[edit]For additional examples, see: Orders of magnitude (energy)[/font][/size]SI multiples for joule (J)
Submultiples
MultiplesValueSymbolNameValueSymbolName10−1 JdJdecijoule101 JdaJdecajoule10−2 JcJcentijoule102 JhJhectojoule10−3 JmJmillijoule103 JkJkilojoule10−6 JµJmicrojoule106 JMJmegajoule10−9 JnJnanojoule109 JGJgigajoule10−12 JpJpicojoule1012 JTJterajoule10−15 JfJfemtojoule1015 JPJpetajoule10−18 JaJattojoule1018 JEJexajoule10−21 JzJzeptojoule1021 JZJzettajoule10−24 JyJyoctojoule1024 JYJyottajouleCommon multiples are in bold face[/size][/color][/size][/color][/font]Nanojoule[edit]The nanojoule (nJ) is equal to one billionth (10-9) of one joule. One nanojoule is about 1/160 of the kinetic energy of a flying mosquito.[9][/size]Microjoule[edit]The microjoule (μJ) is equal to one millionth (10-6) of one joule. TheLarge Hadron Collider (LHC) is expected to produce collisions on the order of 1 microjoule (7 TeV) per particle.[/size]Millijoule[edit]The millijoule (mJ) is equal to one thousandth (10-3) of a joule.[/size]Kilojoule[edit]The kilojoule (kJ) is equal to one thousand (103) joules. Nutritional food labels in certain countries express energy in kilojoules (kJ).[/size]
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Because 1 watt times 1 second equals 1 joule, 1 kilowatt-hour is 1000 watts times 3600 seconds, or 3.6 megajoules.[/font][/size]Gigajoule[edit]The gigajoule (GJ) is equal to one billion (109) joules. 6 GJ is about the amount of potential chemical energy in a barrel of oil, when combusted.[11][/size]Terajoule[edit]The terajoule (TJ) is equal to one trillion (1012) joules. About 63 TJ of energy was released by the atomic bomb that exploded over Hiroshima.[12] The International Space Station, with a mass of approximately 450,000 kg and orbital velocity of 7.7 km/s,[13] has a kinetic energy of roughly 13 TJ.[/size]Petajoule[edit]The petajoule (PJ) is equal to one quadrillion (1015) joules. 210 PJ is equivalent to about 50 megatons of TNT. This is the amount of energy released by the Tsar Bomba, the largest man-made nuclear explosion ever.[/size]Exajoule[edit]The exajoule (EJ) is equal to one quintillion (1018) joules. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami in Japan had 1.41 EJ of energy according to its 9.0 on the moment magnitude scale. Energy in the United States used per year is roughly 94 EJ.[/size]Zettajoule[edit]The zettajoule (ZJ) is equal to one sextillion (1021) joules. Annual global energy consumption is approximately 0.5 ZJ.[/size]Yottajoule[edit]The yottajoule (YJ) is equal to one septillion (1024) joules. This is approximately the amount of energy required to heat the entire volume of water on Earth by 1 °C. The thermal output of the Sun is approximately 400 YJ per second.[/size]Conversions[edit]
Main article: Conversion of units of energy1 joule is equal to:[/font][/size]1×107 ergs (exactly)[/li]
[li]6.24150974×1018 eV (electronvolts)[/li]
[li]0.2390 cal (thermochemical gram calories or small calories)[/li]
[li]2.3901×10−4 kcal (thermochemical kilocalories, kilogram calories, large calories or food calories)[/li]
[li]9.4782×10−4 BTU (British thermal unit)[/li]
[li]0.7376 ft·lb (foot-pounds)[/li]
[li]23.7 ft·pdl (foot-poundals)[/li]
[li]2.7778×10−7 kilowatt-hour[/li]
[li]2.7778×10−4 watt-hour[/li]
[li]9.8692×10−3 litre-atmosphere[/li]
[li]11.1265 femtograms (mass-energy equivalence)[/li]
[li]1×10−44 foe (exactly)[/li]
[li][/font][/size]Units defined exactly in terms of the joule include:[/font][/size]1 thermochemical calorie = 4.184 J[14][/li]
[li]1 International Table calorie = 4.1868 J[15][/li]
[li]1 watt hour = 3600 J[/li]
[li]1 kilowatt hour = 3.6×106 J (or 3.6 MJ)[/li]
[li]1 watt second = 1 J[/li]
[li]1 ton TNT = 4.184 GJ[/li]
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Re: Gabriel Kron and Negative Resistance
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 12:02:20 PM »
                                                   Isaac Asimov:
             Die exakten Geheimnisse unserer Welt Band 1 : Kosmos,Erde,Materie,Technik       
                            Asimovs <New Guide to Science> ,1984,       
                             Basic Books,Inc. ISBN 3-426-03921-4     


               Seite 444,445,446,447 "Die kontrollierte Kernfusion"


               446: Beschreibung des Kernfusionprozesses als "perpetuum mobile" wirkend
                       bei repetierendem Teiloutput "feedback"           

                                                            +


                        Dr.Helmut Reichelt, G.D.R. ,estate-energy-institute-chairman
                         Elektronen-/Ionengas-Kreislauf~Kernfusionsprozess


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