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Author Topic: The Monk singing bowl= HHO  (Read 12644 times)

jeanna

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2008, 08:54:09 PM »
I have a primitive sound making program on my computer. On its keyboard which is surely tuned to A=440, I found that the sub harmonic tone is in fact 2 octaves and one fifth below the 'tapped' tone of the bowl with water in it. The tones of the bowl are not exact and seem to be just a bit higher (sharper) than the keyboard but are F# and C# - C# being the first tone we hear with the tap of the stick on the bowl.

@Hans,
I jusr read almost all of your website and I am really curious why you think cavitation is what is happening here?

jeanna
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hansvonlieven

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2008, 09:02:08 PM »
G'day all,

@Jeanna,

Here is an audio oscilloscope and spectrum analyser. You have to have the audio input file in .wav format .

The programme is quite small and once unzipped runs of its icon, no installation necessary

Hope this helps

Hans von Lieven

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@Hans,
I jusr read almost all of your website and I am really curious why you think cavitation is what is happening here?

from past observation of cavitation in ultrasonic cleaning tanks. It looks just like it.
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jeanna

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2008, 09:57:52 PM »
Quote from: hansvonlieven on January 30, 2008, 09:02:08 PM

from past observation of cavitation in ultrasonic cleaning tanks. It looks just like it.
I guess my ? should be why don't you think cavitation and what keely was doing are related? I guess if the resultant bubbles don't explode is the reason. Keely blew things up a few times before he found what made things blow up.

But the process he was doing sounds very close to what I see in that bowl. Things like using sound for tickling things to get them started but then they keep going with more results or with less input.

Doesn't it?

Blowing apart  props and things with the force unleashed from water when the water molecules have merely been excited enough to form bubbles (by cavitation) seems similar to me ... etc.

jeanna
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Localjoe

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2008, 10:11:04 PM »
I think there is an electro static factor as well. all the video's of the phenomenon I've watched so far show the water following or just a mist following the wooden mallet that is used to do the circle movement on the edge of the bowl the cavitation seems to stay stationary tho .. weird
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hansvonlieven

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2008, 10:21:45 PM »
You are quite correct Jeanna, the phenomena are related.

The way I see it, cavitation occurs first. As the intensity of the overtones increases even higher harmonics are generated leading to sonoluminescence thereafter we get into dissociation of water on a molecular level, the real effects occur on the subatomic level where these enormous forces Keely talks about are released.

Still, just guessing, I have not been able to duplicate it yet. :-[

Hans von Lieven
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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2008, 10:52:34 PM »
so like i asked before.  Has sound ever been proven to split water ???  Audio freq are much more powerful then most people think.  It is a form of energy resulting from electricity.  Ok know i know that this might sound funny but has anyone tried using the positive and negative terminals from a stereo and play different audio tones to produce HHO in the cell design's rather then just pulsing it or using DC.  Imagine putting on a Pink floyed CD and watching the cell produce record amounts :o
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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2008, 11:06:26 PM »
Yes you can do this Haliburton, in fact the Kanzius device does just this. It is still electrolysis though.

As to sound, this is a totally different proposition. Sound waves are pressure waves and are NOT part of the electromagnetic spectrum. There is no electricity involved in a pure acoustic wave, though with an electromechanical apparatus (such as a loudspeaker) we can generate sound waves.

Hans von Lieven
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hartiberlin

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2008, 11:53:22 PM »
Interesting video.
Did you try to burn these bubbles ?
I guess it is just disolved air inside the water,
so these are probably just air bubbles coming out of the water...

Many thanks.

Regards,Stefan.

P.S: Regarding:Trying rock songs for HHO gas generation:
just use a graetz brdige rectifier after your amplifier speaker output,
so all negative wave parts are rectified to positive waves, so you
have only "chopped DC".
Then when you hit the right tunes you could probably get good HHO production.
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Haliburton

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2008, 08:12:34 AM »
Haha i just found where i first saw that sound can crack water .   Guess where it was posted http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3969.0;topicseen :-\
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Paul-R

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Re: The Monk singing bowl= HHO
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2008, 03:55:44 PM »
Quote from: PolyMatrix on January 30, 2008, 02:43:59 PM
Speculation: I was wondering if the monks singing bowl was related to the Keely effect and the Bflat scale.
Yes. John Worrell Keely is the key here. Him and his quartz
bowl which may have resonated at 42khz. (A strange bowl).
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