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Author Topic: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.  (Read 15356 times)

Offline one

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2008, 02:08:02 AM »
I have seen allot of magnet motors and possible magnet motors. But I have never seen any of them do anything but spin. A friend of mine challenged me to rebuild a magnet motor that I did back in the 70's that I did for a science class in school. Well I got it to spin until my cardboard waller ed in the middle and then it stuck to the side between two of the outer magnets, but I still got an A. I don't truly recall any of them under a load but one, that I know of and it only lasted a short time and quit.

 So back to the topic. Do they just spin or can they do work and prove it? This is my question.

In my  opinion  there are quite a few  magnet  motors that have worked .

The problem is  once you  get  it right ....  you tend to get  suppressed .

Try  reading   the last  page of posts  on  .     Magnet Motors   .....        Perendev? 

That looks  to me like  a typical   successful suppression.   


When I  was  in  around  6th  grade  ...........long  before I   had  any real thought of   how  important   energy is    I saw something on  TV         
It was a  Daytime  talk show ......  There was  a man on that  explained  that he has just been  turned down for a patent.
The  patent  office  had refused to give him a patent because  his  invention would never have enough  power to do  any useful work .

This  man  had a  little   demo model .  He had a card table set up and  it looked  like  a piece of  wood  with  about  4feet  of HO scale  model train track on  it

He  had a train car  with  a magnet  in it .........I remember  it  very clearly  because  the top of the  train car  was covered  with aluminum  foil ......I remember  wondering  " who would  go on  national  TV with a  model  covered with   aluminum  foil" .

The man  carefully  put    the train car on the track ......  as soon as  he took his had off of it ....it started  moving .
It  was moving fast enough  by the time it reached the end of the track that it flew  off and  landed 4 or 5 feet away .  it then slid on its side a 4 or 5 more feet. 
The Host of the talk show looked  a little surprised and said .......it seems  reasonably  powerful to me .

It  was more powerful than most of the battery  powered cars I had  when I was young. 




I  bought  a book  on the  T Bearden website .    It  was a reprint of a book  by Howard  Johnson    The  Secret  World  of  Magnets
On the  cover of this book is that same man ....... older but I am sure it is him .......and that same  dorky  looking  foil covered  train car . 
   
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Another  thing to think about .

If you  were a in  control   of  a large energy  company  making  billions  on   non  renewable  energy

OR

If you  were one of the most powerful  people  in a small country that  had little except oil .

Would  you  just sit there and  wait for  someone  to  take your  source of income way from you ?.........or would you make sure that there are plenty of people in sites like this  to  throw a wrench in the works whenever possable.


gary




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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2008, 02:08:02 AM »

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2008, 02:10:00 AM »
@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise ...
...
Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

Do you want me to buy you a ticket?
Have a safe journey!

Your nonsense isn't needed here neither anywhere else for that matter. Good bye,

Well, I guess I need to go to sleep. It was fun but it?s time for goodbye, hopefully for the final one. Actually, I am trying to say goodbye to you since several days and I said it four times only this evening.
Nevertheless, I wouldn?t trust me if I was you. I might wake up and post something. So, watch the forum at every cost! Your last post is always crucial. Who knows what happens if you miss it. Maybe tomorrow SMOT will not work. Or it may never work again.

Go away. Your rants are useless and aren't needed here because aren't even entertaining.

Offline tinu

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 02:13:59 AM »

Your nonsense isn't needed here neither anywhere else for that matter. Good bye,

Well, I guess I need to go to sleep. It was fun but it?s time for goodbye, hopefully for the final one. Actually, I am trying to say goodbye to you since several days and I said it four times only this evening.
Nevertheless, I wouldn?t trust me if I was you. I might wake up and post something. So, watch the forum at every cost! Your last post is always crucial. Who knows what happens if you miss it. Maybe tomorrow SMOT will not work. Or it may never work again.

Go away. Your rants are useless and aren't needed here because aren't even entertaining.

That?s just your over-competent opinion. But mine is opposite. I?m having a lot of fun and I guess other members have fun too.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2008, 02:13:59 AM »
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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 02:49:25 AM »
Tinu,
please stop with your negative comments about magnet motors
and SMOT.
SMOT is working and if you don?t see it, you have to study it
or you are blind.

Surely, if you build a magnet motor right,
it must accelerate and not just overcome the
friction alone.
Surely the torque will depend on the construction,
so if it just overcomes the friction, then it is a very weak
magnet motor,
but if it is a very well constructed magnet motor,
it should also be able to power a mechanical load without slowing
down.

The most easy to build magnet motor in my opinion
is the Goebkes design,
cause it uses much iron in it, so he can design the magnet
fields very asymmetrically, which is needed in a magnet motor
and the magnet fields are pulled in via the iron and can be a bit compressed
inside the iron this way.
This is probably very important for magnet motors
and in my opinion and experience from many builds
without Iron it makes no sense to try a magnet motor without Iron in it.

So study this field and force graph versus the magnet going into x-direction
and see, how the force changes from positive force to neutral to negative force:

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3979.0;attach=16777)

With this magnet-iron setup you can build many different magnet motors that will work.


Offline hoptoad

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2008, 03:52:33 AM »
The greatest insult and ad hominem attack is to deliberately ignore the arguments of your opponent and push incessantly obvious incompetence. That must not be tolerated by anyone who cares about scientific truth and should be vigorously confronted.
@Omnibus - Again, you should practice what you preach and follow your own directives.

@Stefan - post a video showing a working magnetic motor and you'll be the first person in history to have achieved it, and then you can claim your own prize.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2008, 03:52:33 AM »
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2008, 03:55:38 AM »
The greatest insult and ad hominem attack is to deliberately ignore the arguments of your opponent and push incessantly obvious incompetence. That must not be tolerated by anyone who cares about scientific truth and should be vigorously confronted.
@Omni-bullshit - Again, you should practice what you preach and follow your own directives.
Hey, this isn't the place to spew your crap.

Offline hoptoad

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2008, 03:57:33 AM »
[Hey, this isn't the place to spew your crap.
As I said - practice what you preach.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2008, 04:02:57 AM »
hartiberlin

 Thanks for the information, it gives a different view than what I been looking at. And unlike allot of people I plan on keeping an open mind, or there will be no chance of advancement.

 But I would still like to see one under a load for a period of time.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2008, 09:38:34 PM »
@AB Hammer
It's important to remember that any self running motor is operating under a load (friction, windage etc,)  It is unreasonable to expect someone that is trying to develop a concept for a design to build it with massive magnets, multiple poles, multiple rotors or whatever would be necessary to increase the output until said concept is proven.  I would encourage you to try to replicate your design from the 70's and then we can all work together on various permutations of that design.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2008, 01:29:18 AM »
@leeanderthal

 To be totally honest I have been very busy with gravity wheels (great advancements with gravity manipulation) and the armour I build to pay my bills. I just started my magnet notebook for possible patterns. I also agree to try to duplicate the one from my childhood. I remembered one more thing. The inner magnets where not perfectly symmetrical for if is was it would stop and I remember using allot of tape before I glued them to the carboard to get the position correct. More than 35 year is a long time to remember.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2008, 04:53:56 PM »
Well I have got my old pattern redone and a new one as well which I think will do well. I have also started gathering up the supplies I need to build these. But I won't redo my first one on cardboard LOL  I think some other hard board and a good center bearing will work. :D

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2008, 11:37:35 PM »
I tried to say this before, and maybe I am not as skilled as you all here but what if it just spinned indeed. I assume it will be a round device; a wheel so to say. Isn't it possible to tap energy from some kind of a vinyl or glass disk  attached on it. I mean if it moves it can be made static, which can be converted (/or contains?) energy, and you don't need to revolutionize the speed to reveal that, just a steady movement will do. So, some sort of a combination of a permanent magnet motor and a testatica. I know it's not the ultimate solution, but well it might be a start. Isn't such thing possible?

Arnold

 

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