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Author Topic: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.  (Read 15367 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« on: January 25, 2008, 07:23:56 PM »
 I have seen allot of magnet motors and possible magnet motors. But I have never seen any of them do anything but spin. A friend of mine challenged me to rebuild a magnet motor that I did back in the 70's that I did for a science class in school. Well I got it to spin until my cardboard waller ed in the middle and then it stuck to the side between two of the outer magnets, but I still got an A. I don't truly recall any of them under a load but one, that I know of and it only lasted a short time and quit.

 So back to the topic. Do they just spin or can they do work and prove it? This is my question.

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Offline tinu

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2008, 08:38:39 PM »
If I remember correctly you have asked the same question a while ago and I kindly asked you to directly show or otherwise to provide a clear link/evidence for such a spinning magnetic motor.
(Accept my apologies in advance if I made a confusion).

The issue is quite simple imho: there is no perpetual magnetic spinning motor.
If it was, it would have long and dramatically changed the actual science because continual (perpetual) spinning equals work against friction and other losses and it does not matter how small these are, it would still be a ground shaking device.

Remember that, since the oldest times, people of all kind (philosophers, priests, scientists, cons, amateurs, nuts, sailors, workers, technicians, you name them) were playing with magnets. Only legends survived about magnetic motors and we have all reasonable rational reasons to conclude that magnetic motors do not work. Steorn is just a recent and over advertised name on that list of legends. Bedini had (maybe he still has) similar but untrue claims on his web-page about a magnetic motor. (I am 100% confident that Al will soon take his place too into the same category if he fails to identify the outside source of energy for his motor if it indeed works as shown.)
Besides history, science also clearly shows that perpetual magnetic motors can not possibly work. Regardless, swirling magnets around is considered fun and it is actually very attractive to many people. Probably billions will continue to do it and learn interesting lessons along the process. It?s just the delusion I try to prevent and the manipulation I fight against.

Do the above respond to your question?

Tinu

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2008, 11:48:43 PM »
@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise on these matters because you?ve shown embarrassing misunderstanding of elementary physics, let alone that you can?t in any way vow that such motors haven?t existed throughout history. You?ve heard this here and there but you aren?t actually privy as to whether that?s true or false. Further, implying that @alsetalokin?s device runs on an external power source which he hasn?t identified is obviously frivolous let alone it also implies that @alsetalokin is being fraudulent. Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2008, 11:48:43 PM »
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Offline AB Hammer

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 12:03:42 AM »
I can only quote what I have seen and done. My experiment worked back thin, and I have been racking my brain on how I did it. I remember 12 magnets on the outside and 4 possibly 6 but I think 4 on the inside. I know I left a fair distance between inner and outer magnets and the inner didn't go that fast and it was a little jerky. I also remember setting each magnet individually to get the center past each spot. This is all I can remember. If it helps somebody good. But I would have to see one do work to look at it as more than a toy.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 12:16:47 AM »
@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise on these matters because you?ve shown embarrassing misunderstanding of elementary physics, let alone that you can?t in any way vow that such motors haven?t existed throughout history. You?ve heard this here and there but you aren?t actually privy as to whether that?s true or false. Further, implying that @alsetalokin?s device runs on an external power source which he hasn?t identified is obviously frivolous let alone it also implies that @alsetalokin is being fraudulent. Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

@omnibus,

After seeing your real scientific skills, I?d say you take your opinions and shove them somewhere.

I told you already that I?m done with all of your nonsense.
Besides, I was not even talking to you.
So please take the bus and go.

Good luck again!

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 12:16:47 AM »
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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 12:19:04 AM »
@AB Hammer,

If it really makes full turns without external energy then it's more than a toy. Just show a jig doing what you claim and have it replicated by independent parties. That's all it takes. I tend not to believe you that you had such a device spinning on its own, though. Unless you can sustain them by actually demonstrating such motor and ensuring that others replicate it it's better not to make such claims publicly.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 12:21:16 AM »
@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise on these matters because you?ve shown embarrassing misunderstanding of elementary physics, let alone that you can?t in any way vow that such motors haven?t existed throughout history. You?ve heard this here and there but you aren?t actually privy as to whether that?s true or false. Further, implying that @alsetalokin?s device runs on an external power source which he hasn?t identified is obviously frivolous let alone it also implies that @alsetalokin is being fraudulent. Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

@omnibus,

After seeing your real scientific skills, I?d say you take your opinions and shove them somewhere.

I told you already that I?m done with all of your nonsense.
Besides, I was not even talking to you.
So please take the bus and go.

Good luck again!

You'd better restrain from pushing your confusion on others. Study first, educate yourself properly and only then allow yourself to teach others.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 12:21:16 AM »
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Offline RunningBare

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 12:36:30 AM »
@AB Hammer,

If it really makes full turns without external energy then it's more than a toy. Just show a jig doing what you claim and have it replicated by independent parties. That's all it takes. I tend not to believe you that you had such a device spinning on its own, though. Unless you can sustain them by actually demonstrating such motor and ensuring that others replicate it it's better not to make such claims publicly.

Thats rich coming from someone who wont prove they have a whipmag replication, hypocrite!

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:59 AM »
@AB Hammer,

If it really makes full turns without external energy then it's more than a toy. Just show a jig doing what you claim and have it replicated by independent parties. That's all it takes. I tend not to believe you that you had such a device spinning on its own, though. Unless you can sustain them by actually demonstrating such motor and ensuring that others replicate it it's better not to make such claims publicly.

Thats rich coming from someone who wont prove they have a whipmag replication, hypocrite!
Don't waste bandwidth with your nonsense.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2008, 12:38:59 AM »
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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2008, 12:46:57 AM »
@omnibus,

For one who does not make the difference between total energy and input energy, paranoid fixation in defending their completely infantile positions makes an acceptable excuse.

But what other excuse than stupidity exists when one is told I?m done with him and he continues?
There is no other explanation. So please post more to confirm it.

Again: I?m done with you. Do you need it spelled?
Good bye, good luck and don?t forget to take the SMOT.

Tinu

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 12:53:35 AM »
@omnibus,

For one who does not make the difference between total energy and input energy, paranoid fixation in defending their completely infantile positions makes an acceptable excuse.

But what other excuse than stupidity exists when one is told I?m done with him and he continues?
There is no other explanation. So please post more to confirm it.

Again: I?m done with you. Do you need it spelled?
Good bye, good luck and don?t forget to take the SMOT.

Tinu
The very fact that you don't understand that what you call total energy is also input energy (part of it out of no source) proves your confusion. To lift a ball from the zero potential energy to a position where the ball has energy (mgh1 + mgh1 + Kc) needs energy input. The total energy of the ball at C is (mgh1 + mgh2 + Kc) but this is also the energy input (imparted) to the ball compared to the zero gravitational potential energy at A.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 12:56:16 AM »
Same thing is when you lift a ball from the floor (at gravitational potential energy 0) to the table which is at (h1 + h2) height from the floor. On the table the total energy of the ball with respect to the floor is mg(h1 + h2) but that energy is also the energy input (imparted) to the ball to lift it from the floor to the table. Simple as that.

You'd better learn these things first before engaging in such discussions.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2008, 01:11:00 AM »
@omnibus,

You really need to prove my point above, don?t you?

In A the ball has plenty of potential energy (Ma).
Ma is not zero and it can not be zero since you already have chosen Mc=0.
This Ma potential energy, if you need to be educated, is due to SMOT position; when you are done with SMOT (I doubt you will ever be but lets assume for a second) and decide to put it back to its place and the ball elsewhere, you spend Ma Joules every time. So, this is not unaccounted, neither is Mb.

I doubt you can understand it since you made such gaffes in the past and keep continuing like a broken robot. But I don?t care anymore. You had your chance. Now I definitely made my mind. I do not consider you have much if anything of relevance to say to me and I?m done with you. This is the third time I say it. I don?t want to say it again. Got it now?

Tinu
« Last Edit: January 26, 2008, 01:32:17 AM by tinu »

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2008, 01:33:06 AM »
@omnibus,

You really need to prove my point above, don?t you?

In A the ball has plenty of potential energy (Ma).
Ma is not zero and it can not be zero since you already has chosen Mc=0.
This Ma potential energy, if you need to be educated, is due to SMOT position; when you are done with SMOT (I doubt you will ever be but lets assume for a second) and decide to put it back to its place and the ball elsewhere, you spend Ma Joules every time. So, this is not unaccounted, neither is Mb.

I doubt you can understand it since you made such gaffes in the past and keep continuing like a broken robot. But I don?t care anymore. You had your chance. Now I definitely made my mind, I do not consider you have much if anything of relevance to say  to me and I?m done with you. This is the third time I say it. I don?t want to say it again. Got it now?

Tinu

No, no. I'm talking about the energy (mgh1 + mgh2 + Kc) which isn't at point A as you incorrectly understand. You're confused and it's better not to continue because discussing it with you won't lead to anything of substance but will only serve to clarify your confusion. You should clarify confusion of this type only by yourself without bothering other people.

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Re: Just spin, or do work? That is the question.
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2008, 01:38:22 AM »
@tinu,

You?re not qualified to advise on these matters because you?ve shown embarrassing misunderstanding of elementary physics, let alone that you can?t in any way vow that such motors haven?t existed throughout history. You?ve heard this here and there but you aren?t actually privy as to whether that?s true or false. Further, implying that @alsetalokin?s device runs on an external power source which he hasn?t identified is obviously frivolous let alone it also implies that @alsetalokin is being fraudulent. Semi-educated people such as you should be advised to restrain from expressing their unqualified opinions in forums such as this because they clutter it and make the substantial findings sink into the swamp of incompetence.

Omnibus

Please stop cluttering the thread with your insults on other members.
please comment on the point not the person.

 

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