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gettinwet

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #705 on: August 07, 2008, 06:09:15 PM »
@ Xbox

ok 1/4" wont work It will have to be 3/8 npt

I just took some crappy pics with my phone and I'll upload them in a minute

Wet

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #706 on: August 07, 2008, 07:15:11 PM »
@ Xbox

ok 1/4" wont work It will have to be 3/8 npt

I just took some crappy pics with my phone and I'll upload them in a minute

Wet
Cant wait to see them!!!

pablitosax

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #707 on: August 07, 2008, 07:49:25 PM »
@gettinwet :

i also wait for :

ok 1/4" wont work It will have to be 3/8 npt

I just took some crappy pics with my phone and I'll upload them in a minute


@xbox :

I?m thinking about my idea....is not for use now....beacuse this injectos that i saw is for an INDIRECT injection .But it maybe will serve in a future for a inject water in a intake maindold of a engine.
For this experiment can serve a DIRECT injection of a Diesel Engine....but is TOOOO EXPENSIVE !!!!

Rather of this , i?m waiting for a pics of gettinwet.. :-)

 

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #708 on: August 07, 2008, 08:11:03 PM »
I think you guys getting of topic with these injectors!
For injecting plasma indirect injection is not going to work because is indirect!
Diesel is not going to work because you will fry the injector pump with water!
The only injector system that could work is direct gasoline injection in a highly modified way.
But if the real s1r was done this with carbulator than I suggest to stick with at.
Than move on for injection....

xbox hacker

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #709 on: August 07, 2008, 08:26:03 PM »
I think you guys getting of topic with these injectors!
For injecting plasma indirect injection is not going to work because is indirect!
Diesel is not going to work because you will fry the injector pump with water!
The only injector system that could work is direct gasoline injection in a highly modified way.
But if the real s1r was done this with carbulator than I suggest to stick with at.
Than move on for injection....

The injection topic is for the injection of water into a pressure test jig that i have made, water needs to be placed at the spark gap, thus the need for the injection of the water, thus the need to talk about how the best way to do it.......

I think the carb will work fine, but it WILL NOT work on the bench! We need to find out more about the Cap70 coil system, tune it in, then move into a engine....I made the mistake of skipping steps and place the setup in a engine... i fell flat on my face, it didnt work. Thats why we need more bench tests! :)

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #710 on: August 07, 2008, 10:29:40 PM »
Ok I see where you going now!
Hmm...

I liked that pressure test but it's not imitating the engine correctly!
In the engine the water air mixture is hot because the fast compression.
And the space is a lot smaller in the moment of the plasma discharge.
That can make a big difference in the length of the pressure spike!

I know that you sad that you tried in the engine and fell on your face but it's may be some timing issue!

Would be nice to get an engine running with gas and plasma sparks first!
When I tried that it was not good, but the engine was not reliable!
Had mechanical issues...

I think that is the way to go: get it running with gas first!

xbox hacker

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #711 on: August 07, 2008, 10:55:16 PM »
@tiltfulll:
 The engine didnt run because we didnt understand all the variables!

So i will list some variables, so we can conquer them.  ;D

-Their is a certain primary spark gap setting to allow the secondary gap to fire under pressure, i have documented that in a video.
-Chamber size (as you stated, you 100% right)
-Chamber temp
-Secondary spark gap size... the bigger the gap the bigger the event!
-Secondary spark gap shape... Blunt, pointed, or round
-Water amount added
-Water temp
-Water type...tap, well, distilled....ect
-Water type in another form....steam, fog, mist....
-DC voltage
-DC amps
-Chamber pressure at fire
-Spark gap electrode material type
-Cap70 coil turn ratios
-Capacitor size on the primary
-Amount of cold beer on hand  ;D

I am sure their is more.......

As for the primary gap to secondary gap relationship, i took to BRAND NEW plugs, one for primary and one for secondary. Both with stock gap setting, the secondary did not fire under pressure. More tests needed!

pvar06

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #712 on: August 07, 2008, 11:08:09 PM »
@Pvar06,

I think you are correct, a combo system would give more flexibility.... Have you thought of using a GEET set-up with a plasma spark ( Cap70 circuit)...Lets hear what you think??

Regards,

HV

No I have not thought of using the GEET system with Cap70 circuit. But in any case i am planning to use the combo system. I think such combo system should make out life easy.

Today i have tested out the Cap70 circuit but could not get spark at both the plug. I dont know what is the problem. Any way i will send you PM on my trail as dont want to disturb the advance stage discussions happening here.

Happy testing.

Regards

Praveen

vlindos

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #713 on: August 07, 2008, 11:32:49 PM »
DEFINITIVE PRESSURE TEST w/ PLASMA SPARK.

I made a jig with a real gauge this time!!!

The start pressure is at 35psi.. and with plasma event with water it jumps to 75psi !!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Great to see progress Xbox.

Well it seems that plasma ball is doing 75-35 = 40 psi
Could you try the next:
- gasoline drop with the HV spark only
- gasoline drop with the full circuit

and see what is the pressure then

that will save a lot of time for analyzes of what power is required for engine running :D

thanks again for sharing your observations.

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #714 on: August 08, 2008, 01:18:06 AM »
@vlindos:
 I already tried a drop of gas on hte plug while it was on the bench....a VERY small amount was suffeicent for a nice effect. I also made a vid with some gas on the plug, too much gas was used and it just started a fire. I dont think i want to try it under pressure with gas in a PVC test jig....LOL

xbox hacker

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Re: My Cap70 replication!
« Reply #715 on: August 08, 2008, 02:10:13 AM »
Here is some info i would like to share.....

-Secondary spark gap shape
I have been useing 2 SS bolts for tests, they naturally have blunt ends. So i got 2 more and ground them both to a point (like a pencil).

With the 2 normal bolts the plasma flame seems to to arc out of one spot (its going to be hard to describe) Picture a propane torch that is lit, thats what the plasma flame looks like when it shoots out of the gap.

With the 2 pointed bolts the plasma flame COMPLETELY ENCOMPASSES the gap....360 degrees!!!!! I have burn marks on the bench to prove it...LOL

I have not tried it in the jig yet.....

Of course i have NO WAY to record the event with a camera, but you can see it with your eye! But dont look too long...lol
« Last Edit: August 08, 2008, 02:35:08 AM by xbox hacker »

tiltfulll

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #716 on: August 08, 2008, 05:15:49 AM »
@tiltfulll:
 The engine didnt run because we didnt understand all the variables!

So i will list some variables, so we can conquer them.  ;D

-Their is a certain primary spark gap setting to allow the secondary gap to fire under pressure, i have documented that in a video.
-Chamber size (as you stated, you 100% right)
-Chamber temp
-Secondary spark gap size... the bigger the gap the bigger the event!
-Secondary spark gap shape... Blunt, pointed, or round
-Water amount added
-Water temp
-Water type...tap, well, distilled....ect
-Water type in another form....steam, fog, mist....
-DC voltage
-DC amps
-Chamber pressure at fire
-Spark gap electrode material type
-Cap70 coil turn ratios
-Capacitor size on the primary
-Amount of cold beer on hand  ;D

I am sure their is more.......

As for the primary gap to secondary gap relationship, i took to BRAND NEW plugs, one for primary and one for secondary. Both with stock gap setting, the secondary did not fire under pressure. More tests needed!

Well, i suggest the diode circuit for testing since that gives us less variables!;)
I know that is what I going to do....
I got 40 diode for 14 bucks including shipping! ;D
I hooking up two series of twelve in parallel, that way they maybe last longer. :-\

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #717 on: August 08, 2008, 05:17:43 AM »
Also need to get more cold beer    ;D ;D ;D!

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #718 on: August 08, 2008, 05:40:11 AM »
Cap70 say's increasing the number of diodes will not help......But you never know till you try for your self...

HV

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #719 on: August 08, 2008, 05:49:46 AM »
I thinking that if the lv current can split down beat vine the two set than it maybe works better...

I also thinking of putting the diodes into an oil bath for cooling! ::)
Like an oil cooled pc.