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happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #660 on: August 04, 2008, 01:47:26 AM »
@All,

I've been toying around with this idea in my mind for a few weeks....let me know what you think ....... Paul Pantons "GEET" fuel reformer, it is a plasma reaction with a normal spark...many have run this system using 80% water 20% gas....
what if we added a plasma plug plus HHO into the air intake to increase the flame speed????    With this setup it may be easier to achieve 100% water as fuel??????

@Cap70

Didn"t you say you have used the GEET system...Have you tried it with a plasma spark????????

Thanks to all ,

HV

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #661 on: August 04, 2008, 03:07:39 AM »
OK...sand blast nozzle video is up.....

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wIV_hX4SxnQ

This thing is SOOOOO LOUD!!!!!

The hissing in the vid when i spray water...i am unsure if it was because it was hot (i didnt check) or it was electrolysis.... ???
« Last Edit: August 04, 2008, 04:01:55 AM by xbox hacker »

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #662 on: August 04, 2008, 03:43:06 AM »
@Xbox,

Love your video's, keep um coming.......Got any potatoes?? Stick a piece in, see what kind of force you get out......
Plasma potatoe gun....LOL

Thanks

HV 

plasmastudent77

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #663 on: August 04, 2008, 04:05:48 AM »
Hi guys

This might be useful - a working design basically......now maybe just re-jig to work as an injection system.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/plasma-cutter4.htm

Cheers,

Steve.


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #664 on: August 04, 2008, 04:56:29 AM »
@park34

Thanks for the info, and sorry I took so long to reply.

I am thinking in the wrong terms, as far as this goes.  Most of the work I have done, other than basic
repairs for myself and a couple dealer lots, is all been towards MAX HP.  All of the work and measurements
I have taken were (Excluding static compression) during Actual FULL LOAD tests.  I now realise that won't
apply here, and you'll never see these types of values under partial load, even snapping the throttle, though
that nice info sheet you provided pointed to some of these effects.

I always think along those lines, even though I usually drive like grandma, except at the lanes or the track.
I was always amazed at how much of an increase in compression different intake manifolds and porting
made, at decent RPM's and WOT.  In the case of this situation, as in getting it to run, that type of info is
completely useless, and I should have just shut up.  You are absolutely correct in the values you gave, for
the way that all of this will operate.  Now once this is all working, and you want to bring your water powered
car down to the strip, I'll be sure to chime back in and try and help.  Till then, I think I'm just a distraction.

Of course, I will offer NO help on the electronics.  People here have a better grasp on what they are doing
and I'm not ready to change projects, and play catch-up,  until I get this "TPU" thing working. (Maybe never?)

I really chimed in from some "Spark Blowout" problems I encountered when working on some heavily
modified engines, and the weird patterns that showed up.  They looked similar, but now I don't think
they are related.   (By the way, have you ever had the chance to use the solid state pressure gauges
for dynamic compression tests.  They always amazed me.  To see all 8 Cyls at one time charted on
a PC is just a neat thing.  Wish I could afford to own one.)

Good luck to all

Art.

Art

Dont go buddy, and info is good info, I totally understand where you are coming from. I have been down the track a time or two also. You speaking up helps allot fo people. What if what I was stating was wrong adn you had better data. You arent confusing in the least, YOu are a very informative person and and input you give would be good.

About the 8 cylinder readout, no I have also only seen it once but wowsa what a toy. I am starting to regret putting 6k into a genesis, adn wish i would have just went laptop based ofr my diagnostics etc.

thanks again Art


Dread

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #665 on: August 04, 2008, 10:08:35 AM »
Xbox, great vid.

Did you notice the difference in flame characteristics after the electrolysis event? If not, look again. Flame is blue and way above the flame it looks like super heated steam or hot air. How did you insulate the cathode?
I am currently not using Cap coil system but might change over. Please repeat your experiment using different electrolytes. You are still 1 week ahead of me. :P but we are def. on the same mission.
Rgds.
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stephenafreter

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #666 on: August 04, 2008, 10:58:22 AM »
you may find ome ideas here:

http://waterfuel.100free.com/plasmatron.html

the MIT plasmatron is very interresting. We could use this architecture, but they have a rotating electrode to reduce wear and prolonge the lifespan of the electrodes. Of course it's not easy to manufacture in a small workshop, unless we use a kind of swirling of the injected water that would give the power to rotate the external electrode, like on a garden water sprinkler ...

 a water plasma gun !!!! waoooooow ! it opens a very large new horizon in free energy !!!!

guys you are fantastic !!!! and thanks to overunity.com to give us this internatioal multimedia play ground !!!

MDG

resonanceman

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #667 on: August 04, 2008, 12:46:43 PM »
Hi guys

This might be useful - a working design basically......now maybe just re-jig to work as an injection system.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/plasma-cutter4.htm

Cheers,

Steve.





Thanks for the link Steve

I didn't know that  the plasma  used  in plasma  cutters is around 30,000 degrees F

I think   that  studying   the  materials   used in  plasma cutters might be helpful   .    If it  will work  at 30,000 degrees  it  should hold up  to  adding enough heat to  run an engine .

This is  a good time to  explain  the  major difference in  what I think would work   and  how the plasma  cutter works .
Where the plasma cutter  developes  maximum heat to cut the metal  quicker  I think  we need minimum heat .......at least as  far as plasma goes .

The  plasma  cutter uses  a steady  stream  of plasma
I think  we need to use  what could be called "bubbles" of  plasma .
I think  that  we need use low enough power to  get a balance  between    plasma  bubbles and  water  droplets in the  spray going into the cylinder
controling   the % of water droplets  in the  output spray    will allow us to tune  the   system to the right heat range . 
The  ideal  would be for the  plasma  bubbles   to react  with the  water droplets  and  and air in the cylinder   flashing  all the water  droplets into steam .but not having  enough  energy remaining to overheat   any  engine parts.  .


Judging  from  the  latest  video from Xbox   the  range of power  needed may be  narrow .     
I  don't  know the  correct term .......I am going to call  it  charge density
Water can dissipate quite a bit of heat  by conduction and  boiling off . 
If the  heat  created by the  current flow  can be handled by the water .......I am calling it  low charge density 
If  the  water can't  disapate  enough heat   then  the  water starts to break  down into plasma . .........I am calling this  high charge density .
What  Xbox called  300 VDC  electrolysis    in his video   is an example of  low charge  density . 
One way  of raising the effective  charge  density  might be to make the anode  smaller (more power  per  square inch .)
Another  way  would be  to  use pulses rather than  DC.(  same power  but in shorter  time periods )

I am  still thinking that   something like  Allcanadians circuit   from the  Tesla challenge  might work best . 


gary
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rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #668 on: August 04, 2008, 11:32:43 PM »
Hi all
I'm posting this because I think that these steps made by Capacitor70 are very important to any one ho is trying to run his engine on water.
I also think that this post should be at the beginning of this thread right next to the working circuit.
This was a reply of Capacitor70 to a question of mine.
 
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But still this doesn't make much sence to me. Why should we add gas or hho wen you could do it without any of those.

If we don't have any rotation of engine how we can tune it to work alone on water.

at very first day of plasma test on engine I added some gasoline in the carburetor then water is given at gasoline intake. Many times engine stopped immediately, so I adjusted the carburetor screws to get it work properly with mixture of water and gasoline (adjust to higher RPM maximum quantity of fuel or water),  Once we got good results with mixture then I have taken test for one hour to confirm that settings are optimum, but still I am having doubt that it is running on gasoline vapors and plasma supports very lean mixture. after tests I opened carburetor to see gasoline quantity in it, gasoline is not present in carburetor but smell of gasoline is coming from it.

After few days I have taken another test without putting gasoline and cleaned carburetor to see that no gasoline present during test to confirm that it is running on pure water. and same video of pure water I have uploaded, It is very difficult to tune the engine to run on 100% water, that's why I am saying start with gasoline vapors or HHO.

What you see in video is little success, I have many videos of failure also....

Regards
Capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #669 on: August 05, 2008, 01:03:17 AM »
Xbox, great vid.

Did you notice the difference in flame characteristics after the electrolysis event? If not, look again. Flame is blue and way above the flame it looks like super heated steam or hot air. How did you insulate the cathode?
I am currently not using Cap coil system but might change over. Please repeat your experiment using different electrolytes. You are still 1 week ahead of me. :P but we are def. on the same mission.
Rgds.
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Here ya go... the first one is right after the bubbles...and the second one is what the rest in the video look like...

The insulation is just several layers of heat shrink tubing. I just layered it until it fit.

xbox hacker

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #670 on: August 05, 2008, 02:44:10 AM »
Here is another image i got from the pressure test vid...

You can see the start and the high point. It starts just over 40psi, and the high point is between 50-55psi  ;D


Cap70 we should exaimine the event in detail....i hope these images will help......

I got more to come  ;D

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #671 on: August 05, 2008, 03:04:24 AM »
@Xbox,

Wow!! 10-15 psi increase in pressure, just using two screws as a spark gap....
are you able to do a pressure test with a spark plug, i wonder what the pressure difference might be??

HV

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #672 on: August 05, 2008, 03:06:01 AM »
Wow, just with the spark we are getting pressure increase?  Or did you have water in there?  What does this mean exactly?

xbox hacker

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #673 on: August 05, 2008, 03:42:01 AM »
@HV:
It is a double edge sword...the pressure goes up, but it goes back down. quiman13 said that the HHO explodes and causes expansion, but when the HHO recombines to H2O it creates a vacuum.

@supergod:
It DID have water in it...i dont remember if the gauge moved without water...i will redo it...

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« Reply #674 on: August 05, 2008, 04:22:45 AM »
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It is a double edge sword...the pressure goes up, but it goes back down. quiman13 said that the HHO explodes and causes expansion, but when the HHO recombines to H2O it creates a vacuum.

This is very important point, for adjusting engine timings, last night I am thinking about why two stroke engine worked with HHO and not four stroke, Stan Mayer also have this problem so he adds argon to reduce burning speed of HHO, same thing comes in my mind.

@Xbox
Adding inductor in series with capacitor helps to reduce current flow, this may reduce burning speed of flame. (in between spark plug and capacitor +ve terminal)
But it may create problem of glow discharge (cold electricity).