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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 515026 times)

tsimonin

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #645 on: August 03, 2008, 02:41:37 PM »
Hi... I just want every one to see my experiments with gas on you tube www.youtube.com/tsimonin

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #646 on: August 03, 2008, 03:01:41 PM »
Been bouncing between forums and assembling ideas in my head.  ::)
So I'll throw this one out there to "cherry pick" from my favorite concepts
so far.... you never know... until you find out. :)

Ozicell Ball Spark Plug
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2386-ball-spark-plug.html
June 2, 2008 Robert Krupa interview / discusses newest ball-to-ball plug patent
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kywaterfuelmuseum/2008/06/02/Robert-Krupa
From what i have seen in my plug tests, i think you 2 ball design on top of each other will shoot at 90 degrees....so place than parallel with each other and parallel the tube, and i think your water mist needs to be sparyed at the gap for max effect...in your image its past he gap,  i think you will loses the full effect.
LIKE THIS:
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@HV:
I think the ion gun is used for antistatic blow gun...not 100%sure. I fix arcade monitors 30kV all day long...lol And i have been bitten! I did get the doorknow caps....they work fine, but no real noticeable improvement, but i will be doing more tests, i have some other caps comming.....i will test for everyone, they are SUPER CHEAP, if they work i will let everyone know...this way we can be all on the same page!

@resonanceman:
So what do you think about my idea for using Ion Gas to arc the DC? do you think it will work.... this would eleaviate the problem of timing the HV/LV with the sparking of the water......

resonanceman

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #647 on: August 03, 2008, 04:51:13 PM »


@resonanceman:
So what do you think about my idea for using Ion Gas to arc the DC? do you think it will work.... this would eleaviate the problem of timing the HV/LV with the sparking of the water......

Xbox

SHort answer

I think  it will work ...........I am sure that  if it doesn't work directlly  it can be made to work . 


Longer  answer

M\y   design   has the HV  from the ignition  coil  being used  to  power a pump .     
The  ignition  coil still controls the timing   I simply   use it to create a pulse  at the right time
My plan  has always been  to  trigger the last   plasma  cycle  using   the  water  pumped by previous  pulses .   

I  think  that the  bubbles created by  the ignition  coil  and   LV   in my pump is probably  HHO . 
The  HHO  should be  well ionised
After   being in  close proximity  to  quite a few pulses  the remaining  water  should be  well ionised .

I think that just  water  spray  in the  channel  should lower the resistance  enough to  allow an arc to form . 
With  ionised  water  it should  be  even easier . 

If  the  water  doesn't  trigger  the  arc by itself ......... we might need to drive the   final  circuit   with a waveform  with a HF spike  that would   provide  a small   quick  arc ......just enough  to  ignite  HHO ......  Assuming  the  bubbles  are HHO     once a few of those are hit  by a small arc   you  will have enough plasma  to  start the main  arc .

If  the bubbles  are not HHO .......then we would need to  go back ......and make the  electrodes  in the  pump  larger  and leave a bias  voltage on them between pulses ........to  generate HHO . 


gary

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #648 on: August 03, 2008, 05:40:21 PM »
Plasma water arc, The flame above the water is hydrogen.....

During plasma test, take video and see it frame by frame many things we miss there..

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #649 on: August 03, 2008, 06:10:23 PM »
Plasma water arc, The flame above the water is hydrogen.....

During plasma test, take video and see it frame by frame many things we miss there..
My camera SUX!!!!! I need one that is about 120 FPS  :-\

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #650 on: August 03, 2008, 06:33:51 PM »
@Xbox
If possible take test like this.
I have taken surface area test no effect on plasma. two electrodes with 6mm diameter surface for plasma arc.

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #651 on: August 03, 2008, 06:40:26 PM »
CPVC pipe with bolts as electrodes ;D ;D

You can feel the air more from over a foot away from the opening.......

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #652 on: August 03, 2008, 07:14:44 PM »
Ionized air is air which is passed through high voltage plates, voltage multiplier circuit is used for this application, ionization of air takes very very less electrical power.
http://users.otenet.gr/~athsam/air_ionizer.htm

@Xbox
What is different in second picture why flame comes out from it ?
Are you putting air at one end ?
And in your pressure test you have not told how much pressure it shows ?
What happen if we put water on the electrodes ?
What happen if we use multiple electrodes with different gap ?
Give steam at one end of pipe and see the difference ?

Do not put your hand in front of pipe plasma makes hole in your skin, I have seen it with TV flyback transformer...

If you increase the gap you get more stronger arc at same energy level.

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #653 on: August 03, 2008, 07:31:37 PM »
@Cap70:
What is different in second picture why flame comes out from it ?
I used a dSLR...not a video camera, so the flames are hard to catch...those images are the only 2 i could get form 53 of the ones i took...LOL

Are you putting air at one end ?
NO AIR...just the air thats is the tube at the time of firing....

And in your pressure test you have not told how much pressure it shows ?

It does not say how much on the gauge....its just a guess, i will make a test with a compressor to make a guide to see how much the video shows...

What happen if we put water on the electrodes ?

The images are taken with water on them...with out water its just a bright blue light...i didnt really see a flame.

What happen if we use multiple electrodes with different gap ?

The bigger the gap...the bigger the effect....I didnt try multiple electrodes....

Give steam at one end of pipe and see the difference ?

Steam didnt really do anything...i had tried that first

Do not put your hand in front of pipe plasma makes hole in your skin, I have seen it with TV flyback transformer...

i kept it away about 3/4"..it is safe, i have done it before

If possible take test like this.
It didnt work verywell...... But oddly enough, iwas able to "eject" the water form the tube with just DC...it seemd to make it "jump out"

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #654 on: August 03, 2008, 09:49:16 PM »
GAUGE DATA FROM VID:

The needle in the center of the yellow area, as in the vid is about 40 psi....the needle high point is about 50psi when the event happens..
 I can not change the gauge with out destroying the tester...i already tried.......

Cap70 gave me a good idea, below is the image. With all my tests on spark plugs i have noticed that the electrode will "burn down".....so with the image below it should last LONGER! In tests it seems to arc in the same spot, when that area becomes burnt down, it should select a new area of the 360 degree electrode to arc form.....making the life is the device longer!

As always...just a thought... ;D

« Last Edit: August 03, 2008, 10:16:19 PM by xbox hacker »

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #655 on: August 03, 2008, 11:41:03 PM »
I fell so idiot :-[
Today I managed to burn my second HV coil and the original coil from the B&S engine.
High voltage coils are to be normally disconnected and then pulsed connected, not the other way around.
I will add a small 12v bulb in parallel with HV coil has a warning light.
Last 2 HV coils were free now I have to buy the next one :'(

Somewhere in the past I stumbled on this:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/files/ATHAL/
I did not see any feedback tests on this plug so as I see that you guys are interested in this field I thought this might come in handy.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2008, 12:16:06 AM by rfsimoes »

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #656 on: August 03, 2008, 11:59:43 PM »
@Xbox,

I've found a champion spark plug made for boats. ( L76V)... It is resistor-less, and it doesn't have a normal "J"
cathode.....It arcs in a 360 radius.. This may help if the plugs cathode is getting fried ????

Has anyone used one of these plugs???? ......I got mine from Wal-mart for $2.00 on clearance......

Let me know what you think....................

Mahalo Nui Loa

HV

happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #657 on: August 04, 2008, 01:01:25 AM »
@Xbox,

Here is a sand blasting attachment designed for a pressure washer, just to ad on to your thoughts of using this part....
being that it's designed to run water thru it... This may be helpful????

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_37202_37202

Aloha,

HV

gettinwet

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #658 on: August 04, 2008, 01:43:43 AM »
@Xbox,

I've found a champion spark plug made for boats. ( L76V)... It is resistor-less, and it doesn't have a normal "J"
cathode.....It arcs in a 360 radius.. This may help if the plugs cathode is getting fried ????

Has anyone used one of these plugs???? ......I got mine from Wal-mart for $2.00 on clearance......

Let me know what you think....................

Mahalo Nui Loa

HV

I mentioned these plugs a few weeks ago. They were mostly used in Mercury outboards and Mercruiser inboard engines. At Mercury school they demonstrated these plugs with the Merc Thunderbolt ignition firing in a bucket of OIL.

@Xbox I have 2 boxes of these plugs that I will more than likley never use. I thought you said you were in Florida. I am in West Palm, if you want them I will send you a box. I am interested to see how these work.

xbox hacker

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Re: My cap70 replication!
« Reply #659 on: August 04, 2008, 01:46:19 AM »
@Xbox,

Here is a sand blasting attachment designed for a pressure washer, just to ad on to your thoughts of using this part....
being that it's designed to run water thru it... This may be helpful????

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_37202_37202

Aloha,

HV

Making a video soon..stay tuned... ;D

(yes, i know...i am video happy....)
« Last Edit: August 04, 2008, 02:12:46 AM by xbox hacker »