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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 516868 times)

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #615 on: August 01, 2008, 06:44:37 PM »
So i just spoke with an electrotec guy, hoping to get parts needed but basically he aint cool with the use, he says its far to dangerous, and doesnt see how it can be applied to the car engine. Here were some of his comments, and since i havent been able to get everythign needed to replicate maybe x box can help me or cap 70

he said when power is rectified you only get the top of the wave thus you end up with mroe voltage than u started with

so the 230v rectified turn into 400 to 500 volts, which he said the 330uf 400v capaictor makes sense there

he was confused on wether the first spark plug fires constantly, which he figures would burn out the plug rather fast

he was impressed with the torroidial concept and thought that was a great idea.

So in speaking with him i am starting to wonder if we really need the 400 volts, so in turn i need some clarification of what we are trying to do

this was my theory and eprhaps i am wrong

1) have the 30k-40k spark that is normally there

2) piggy back the HV spark with a LV amp


So i am wondering if perhaps there is another way to get that amperage rather than needing 400v

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #616 on: August 01, 2008, 07:01:26 PM »
how is your experimenting going?? i cant wait to see one more video for the engine firing
I don't have electricity at day time, I can't take test on engine. rarely taking test with table setup with inverter.My inverter is rated at 600VA no surge capacity it trips immediately during trials on engine. My friend never comes at night time to kick the engine. I am going back to the work to get more money so that proper setup can be made. or purchase old car for experiments

so the 230v rectified turn into 400 to 500 volts, which he said the 330uf 400v capaictor makes sense there
No 400 to 500V,
After rectification you get root 2 times voltage.
Vout=1.4142 X Vin


So i am wondering if perhaps there is another way to get that amperage rather than needing 400v
Yes, you need at least 50voltas to get the plasma spark,
for those who are facing problem of 110V, use two capacitor 470uF in parallel to get same energy level. try with gasoline vapors or hydrogen for quick results, put water at gasoline intake and vapors at air intake, take care of back fire


xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #617 on: August 01, 2008, 07:01:52 PM »
he said when power is rectified you only get the top of the wave thus you end up with mroe voltage than u started with

so the 230v rectified turn into 400 to 500 volts, which he said the 330uf 400v capaictor makes sense there

Hmmmmm... thats funny because when i hook up a bridge to 110VAC...it outputs 110VDC.

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #618 on: August 01, 2008, 07:58:36 PM »
Ok so now i am utterly confused

Cap70 just said you get 2 times voltage, so 230 x 2 = 460 volts, which is damn close to 400-500

X box says he gets 110 dc from 110ac so man am i confused now


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multiuser

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #619 on: August 01, 2008, 08:06:10 PM »
Ok so now i am utterly confused

Cap70 just said you get 2 times voltage, so 230 x 2 = 460 volts, which is damn close to 400-500

X box says he gets 110 dc from 110ac so man am i confused now


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hi!

i was measuring that :-)
my voltmeter says:

@230 Volt AC voltage
about 208 Volt DC voltage without a capacitor
about 230 Volt DC voltage with a capacitor

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #620 on: August 01, 2008, 08:10:55 PM »
hi!

i was measuring that :-)
my voltmeter says:

@230 Volt AC voltage
about 208 Volt DC voltage without a capacitor
about 230 Volt DC voltage with a capacitor

hmmm so whats the answer lol

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #621 on: August 01, 2008, 08:47:42 PM »
hmmm so whats the answer lol
TRY IT YOURSELF....lol  ;D

you need one bridge rectifier....or 4 single diodes(to make you own rectifier)

(http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/animated/brect.gif)

Try it and post your results.......Also Cap70 said "Vout=1.4142 X Vin" ...Voltage Out= 1.4142 times Voltage In

(http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/images/smoothng.gif)
Note that smoothing significantly increases the average DC voltage to almost the peak value (1.4 ? RMS value). For example 6V RMS AC is rectified to full wave DC of about 4.6V RMS (1.4V is lost in the bridge rectifier), with smoothing this increases to almost the peak value giving 1.4 ? 4.6 = 6.4V smooth DC.

Below  is a VOLTAGE DOUBLER (thats what i use)...
« Last Edit: August 01, 2008, 09:23:46 PM by xbox hacker »

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #622 on: August 01, 2008, 08:57:19 PM »
I getting in 242 vac and out 213 vdc.
Noe that is single phase 240 input!
If you have double phase ac input than once is rectified  it's probably doubles at.
I think!

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #623 on: August 01, 2008, 11:30:33 PM »
I have these things on hand

1 Full-Wave Bridge Rectifier   25 amps  50 volts, (i can get more of these)

4 3 amp 400PIV rectifier diodes     (i dont know what PIV means)

i have a bunch of old misc stuff but cant find the proper capacitors

can anyone help me use any of this to build any part of the machine??

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #624 on: August 02, 2008, 12:39:41 AM »
wowsa this is cool also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmsNTbGZ0zE

quite the odd sparkplug also

Park34

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #625 on: August 02, 2008, 12:54:37 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_MJhnT-ujw&feature=related


can this help us out at all??

or can anyone tell how it works

thanks guys

and p.s i am attempting a cap70 replication tonight into the weekend, got an old tv gonna gut and see what i can find

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #626 on: August 02, 2008, 04:38:35 AM »
i said square root of 2.
when you rectify AC 230V and put capacitor output is VDC = 230 X 1.40  = 322 V DC
230V AC = 322 V DC
110V AC = 154 V DC

tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #627 on: August 02, 2008, 07:14:21 AM »
What makes the diodes go bad?
Is the heat? Any cooling would help?
Or they just don't like the 30000-40000 v?


Also I got the transistor for the ignition coil.
So I hoked at up.
The negative coming from the coil connected to the collector than from the emitter goes to ground.
And the base suppose receive a signal to make the two disconnect and by doing that collapse the magnetic field and induce the hv.
Right?
But soon as i connected the collector and the emitter the transistor get so hot that it burned my finger!
What is up with that?

xbox hacker

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Re: My Cap70 replication!
« Reply #628 on: August 02, 2008, 04:42:43 PM »
Here is another vid....i know, i know....not another vid..... :D

Plasma firing under pressure! Its about 35-40 psi. Watch the gauge move! qiman13 made a vid on youtube that showed an effect of the expansion and re compression, during and after the plasma spark. He stated that the HHO is ignited it creates pressure and when the HHO reforms to water it creates a vacuum....

This can be seen in my video, the gauge goes up and right back down.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LHJFv29fbCQ


This one is just for fun...it looks like a jet engine...LOL

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nwooQ-5pzaE

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #629 on: August 02, 2008, 05:16:26 PM »
Go through Stan Mayer's water fuel injector, circuit diagram is not shown but in description many similar things can be found like we are doing also You can find design of spark plug.
water car shown by japan uses water mist and hydrogen combination with plasma spark plug.

Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf  page no 103 (The birth of new technology) total pages: 234

@Xbox
Thanks for testing and sharing results

Today I have taken little trials on engine, but engine is not firing on gasoline and plasma spark with diode circuit, I think I made mistake during assembly of engine.

Any time when you give gasoline vapors or hydrogen put very less quantity of gasoline and fill the bottle with water and put gasoline on it, gasoline stays at top of water. use bubller