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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 516882 times)

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #510 on: July 23, 2008, 04:06:58 PM »
Once again thank you for you patience
Why ? What are coil results ?
I couldn't start my engine on gasoline with that >:(
Please check my post about that just a few posts earlier on this page.

increase number of diodes until see spark on the tip of spark plug
I don't know what is my coil output voltage but I've read that 40000V is normal.
Yes it is 40000Kv, but 3000 to 6000V is enough to generate spark at the tip

Right, got it. But then there is still voltage and some low current going back to bridge and power supply!
Not a problem? ???

There is no cheapest diode arrangement, Diodes get very hot NOT SUITABLE FOR LONGER  TEST TIMES, Don't go for diodes, coil solves all problems
I did like the coil arrangement but didn't like the result...


@xbox hacker

I think all of us wish the best of luck. We need another video of proof of concept so I think I speak for all of us...
We all want that engine to fart and start. GOOD LUCK

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #511 on: July 23, 2008, 04:25:01 PM »
Once again thank you for you patience
Why ? What are coil results ?
I couldn't start my engine on gasoline with that >:(
Please check my post about that just a few posts earlier on this page.

increase number of diodes until see spark on the tip of spark plug
I don't know what is my coil output voltage but I've read that 40000V is normal.
Yes it is 40000Kv, but 3000 to 6000V is enough to generate spark at the tip

Right, got it. But then there is still voltage and some low current going back to bridge and power supply!
Not a problem? ???

There is no cheapest diode arrangement, Diodes get very hot NOT SUITABLE FOR LONGER  TEST TIMES, Don't go for diodes, coil solves all problems
I did like the coil arrangement but didn't like the result...

Might i suggest something.....

I did all my vidoes on a bench with a automotive coil... now i am goin to test on my engine witch is a magneto(much less power) When i first hooked it up the magneto, it didnt work!!! AT ALL!!! But i made the spark gap smaller on the HV side and now it works fine! I would suggest to ANYONE to use a spark air gap tester like this for you HV side spark gap switch...
(http://www.toolfetch.com/media/45298.jpg?utm_source=&utm_medium=GS&utm_campaign=toolfetch&cm_ite=)
So you can "dial-in" the right conditions to get it to work. If you watch my vids, you will see the tool on the left hand side.

Also i can now confirm that HV spark polarity is NOT important with Cap70's coil setup!!! It works with my magneto. The diode setup would not allow me to have the plug body grounded to the engine with the magneto, the spark would not work at all. With the coil setup it now works 100%!!

Also the HV caps are VERY important!!! I would suggest 500pF and 6kV (or more)!!! I had a hard time gettting my coil to work too because of the caps!!

vrand

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #512 on: July 23, 2008, 04:41:31 PM »
Might i suggest something.....

I did all my vidoes on a bench with a automotive coil... now i am goin to test on my engine witch is a magneto(much less power) When i first hooked it up the magneto, it didnt work!!! AT ALL!!! But i made the spark gap smaller on the HV side and now it works fine! I would suggest to ANYONE to use a spark air gap tester like this for you HV side spark gap switch...
(http://www.toolfetch.com/media/45298.jpg?utm_source=&utm_medium=GS&utm_campaign=toolfetch&cm_ite=)
So you can "dial-in" the right conditions to get it to work. If you watch my vids, you will see the tool on the left hand side.

Also i can now confirm that HV spark polarity is NOT important with Cap70's coil setup!!! It works with my magneto. The diode setup would not allow me to have the plug body grounded to the engine with the magneto, the spark would not work at all. With the coil setup it now works 100%!!

Also the HV caps are VERY important!!! I would suggest 500pF and 6kV (or more)!!! I had a hard time gettting my coil to work too because of the caps!!

Hi,

Nice videos of Cap70's latest design.

Here are some spark plug testers online:
http://www.toolfetch.com/Category--Automotive--Spark_Testers-cat.shtml

Regards,
Michael Randall

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #513 on: July 23, 2008, 05:02:26 PM »
@rfsimoes:
I too started with the diode setup and got great results, but my diodes got so hot that the solder melted and the diodes fell apart! The same thing happened to Cap70.

@everyone:
I will be testing Cap70's coil setup in a B&S 14hp engine tonight!!! PLEASE cross your fingers for me  ;D ;D

Hi xbox,

Good luck with your testing on the B&S engine!  Looking forward to your video of the testing.

WIll the timing have to be changed to 30-40 deg. After TDS?

Regards,
Michael Randall

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #514 on: July 23, 2008, 05:06:43 PM »
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You talk about 1100pf and 6000v. So i can use 3x 3.3nf@2000v in serie ?
Also can you explain me/us more about your core ? what size, what material ? The green wire, is it just a simple insulated wire we can find anywhere or something else ?

What do you think about the 330?f capacitor (I use 470) ? Will it survive on a long time engine run at high RPM ?

Any size and shape of ferrite core works....iron core also works but not efficient....

Yesterday I made coil with simple insulated wires, primary with 8 Turns (green wire low current wire) and secondary 24 Turns (10Amps capacity) on ferrite rod.
It works nice, but you need more capacitors use 5 capacitors of 2000V ratings, so that voltage will not drop across capacitor, and use 500pf capacitors (5 capacitors of approx 4200pf in series) Don't go for single high voltage capacitor, use of multiple capacitors perfectly blocks HV.

If you use high value of capacitor all HV gets dropped across capacitor and no spark at primary side, no spark on secondary.
If you see spark on primary side and no spark on secondary, It means you need more number of turns for secondary or higher insulation resistance of wire.

for LV side 470uF capacitor works nice. We are at the stage of engine starting, not much RPM  ::) ....

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #515 on: July 23, 2008, 05:10:09 PM »
@vrand:
Not for now, i will try to use the stock timing for the engine. But if i have to change it....i will. My goal is to make this as simple as i can, so others can copy it with ease  ;D

Also the total cost for me to set this up using AC main power is $0.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D I used all scrap parts i FOUND!

Anyone know what the stock timing might be at on B&S 14HP engine?

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #516 on: July 23, 2008, 06:37:03 PM »
This is several videos showing waters power exploding.  Blows several things apart in earlier videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRqrQC7DJ8&feature=related

Darren

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #517 on: July 23, 2008, 07:27:44 PM »
@vrand:
Not for now, i will try to use the stock timing for the engine. But if i have to change it....i will. My goal is to make this as simple as i can, so others can copy it with ease  ;D

Also the total cost for me to set this up using AC main power is $0.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D I used all scrap parts i FOUND!

Anyone know what the stock timing might be at on B&S 14HP engine?

Hi xbox,

From what I've googled, the ignition is fixed on the B&S flywheel with a key, and opens few degrees before TDC.  S1R ran his B&S without changing the timing, but the RPM surged a bit and only idled.

Some say that a standard inverter charger at 60Hz cant charge fast enough for higher engine power output.

Great to hear you had all the parts needed to build a unit for free :)

Regards,
Michael Randall   

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #518 on: July 23, 2008, 07:44:56 PM »
This is several videos showing waters power exploding.  Blows several things apart in earlier videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiRqrQC7DJ8&feature=related

Darren

Hi Dmoney

Interesting video on the experiment where you submurged the spark plug in lots of water (6min 50sec into the video) and it exploded the water and blew the 1 liter bottle and cap off the mount!

What kind of water did you use? Which circuit used to power the spark plug?

Regards,
Michael Randall

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #519 on: July 23, 2008, 07:53:07 PM »
It is not my video.  If you notice it is #12.  There are 14 videos.  In video 2 he starts using just tap water and does not change thru the rest.  He is not revealing everything yet, but I think in video 8 or 9 he show inside the box and talks of PWM and frequency.

Darren

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #520 on: July 23, 2008, 08:31:48 PM »
hi guys,
ive been reading this thread for a while now, after watching capacitor70's video i cant wait to see what results xbox gets.

i found this whilst searching the net
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CwmOjUBuBzkC&pg=PA262&lpg=PA262&dq=anomalous+pressure+water+explosion&source=web&ots=evGzj7hPm-&sig=s2QPtVRuzk5B_8jYr5_BiixTwY8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPA270,M1

i think it's describing what we're seeing.

the reason im posting is this, on the graph on page 270 of the link i posted, is it showing that the kinetic energy (or total energy) released is greater than the energy stored in the capacitor?
or am i not interpreting the graph correctly?

thanks

good luck to all

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #521 on: July 23, 2008, 09:36:49 PM »

the reason im posting is this, on the graph on page 270 of the link i posted, is it showing that the kinetic energy (or total energy) released is greater than the energy stored in the capacitor?
or am i not interpreting the graph correctly?

Hi,

Thank you for the url. Yes, output energy > than input.  Peter Graneau's water explosion experiments indicate an anomalous kinetic energy.  As more ppl run their engines on water, more scientist will be interested in further studying what is this anomalous energy source.

I am leaning toward Orgone energy as being the source.  Water attracts and captures Orgone energy and at high voltage/current releases it.

Regards,
Michael Randall

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #522 on: July 23, 2008, 10:24:05 PM »
@xbox

So you can "dial-in" the right conditions to get it to work. If you watch my vids, you will see the tool on the left hand side.


Thank you for your suggestions.

It seems to me that you think my coil setup doesn't work on the bench. It works very well on the bench, just like the diode setup. The result on the bench is the same.

With the coil setup I got the spark gap up to 2 milimiters wide and working.

It's inside the engine that I have problems. I cannot understand what is wrong.

You can do just a simple test and take your own conclusions.
Take your engine and a spark plug with normal gap and see how wide can you increase the gap before it stops igniting gasoline.
Do this with the original ignition from the engine, no circuit or modifications.

Maybe I should just pour in some water into the cylinder and push the cord...

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #523 on: July 24, 2008, 03:42:41 AM »
@rfsimoes:
 Sorry man..i thought you couldnt get it to work at all...lol  ::)

Anyway, i tried my setup in an engine...here are the results...

-It didnt run...lol
-Spurattic firing (some times it was fine ???)
-Steam doesnt do anything...not even on the bench!
-The engine and chassis is LIVE....so dont touch it while not wearing shoes...LOL
-Could be a timing issue....its to dark out now to mess with timing

Now here is what i think rfsimoes and i have in common....it would seem to me that it will not fire under pressure!! I had the plug out and it fired every time the magnet passed the magneto or the pickup for the automotive coil. In the engine i can see the waste spark firing... it lights up the inside of the exhaust port. But i looks like it was not firing when it should have for the power stroke. Like it misses the power stroke fire and just fires the waste spark.

So now i will build a small PVC pressure chamber and put the plug in it and put some compressed air into it too.... and see what happens...

Now, not firing under pressure is kinds funny, because it will fire under water!!!!  :-\

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #524 on: July 24, 2008, 03:51:05 AM »
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Now, not firing under pressure is kinds funny, because it will fire under water!!!!

Same observation, But not sure.....

Engine is not running with gasoline and coil based plasma circuit....

I thought some thing problem with circuit.....

with 125CC engine it gives blast sound on exhaust cycle, but not running the engine with gasoline....