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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 515067 times)

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #480 on: July 21, 2008, 03:28:31 PM »

The power supply is now the trickey part to cap70's setup... I can flip the switch as fast as i can with 2 fingers ( like a paintball player shoots rapid fire) it dies not miss....BUT i can see the energy is decreassed form the first fire to the last. So we need  a faster charging system. I am unsure if Cap70 has this problem.....

I noticed the same effect. I was using my engine ignition to run the plugs. First spark is a loud bang!
The following sparks aren't not near has violent has the first. I think is the repeating frequency rate.
Speed of capacitor charging?

Today I will try to run my engine again, on gasoline, using this circuit but without the power supply turned on, only normal spark.

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #481 on: July 21, 2008, 04:44:20 PM »
 ;D NO MORE PETROL Ha ha ha
No stock...
No petrol...
Petrol pump closed...

From where you get petrol for testing ?...

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #482 on: July 21, 2008, 04:58:14 PM »
Not so long ago I had the same picture here in Portugal. We had a truck strike and petrol stations loked like that but with cars...
Now we have plenty EXPENSIVE petrol.

And what about you capacitor70? how are your running tests going? We are all ancious to see another video from you kinking that engine and fire it up. I will give us some more motivation to speed up things.

I hope that the MIB's guys don't come across this post and delete us all...  8)
We need to be faster than them... :D

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #483 on: July 21, 2008, 05:11:56 PM »
Today I assembled engine again with new piston rings and oil seals, Tomorrow taking trials again with new coil based plasma generation circuit......

Its not truck strike, demand is more and supply is less , car line is there but on the road sides ,Petrol is too much expensive here in India and we have to wait 2 or more hours at petrol pumps to get it....food prices are going high...No raining....

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #484 on: July 21, 2008, 05:20:43 PM »
I noticed the same effect. I was using my engine ignition to run the plugs. First spark is a loud bang!
The following sparks aren't not near has violent has the first. I think is the repeating frequency rate.
Speed of capacitor charging?

Today I will try to run my engine again, on gasoline, using this circuit but without the power supply turned on, only normal spark.

we need a high frequency cap charger...

Here is a PDF i found...we might be able to use this for something..
http://forum.4hv.org/attachments/Capacitor20Charger20Circuit.pdf

capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #485 on: July 21, 2008, 05:31:26 PM »
we need a high frequency cap charger...

Here is a PDF i found...we might be able to use this for something..
http://forum.4hv.org/attachments/Capacitor20Charger20Circuit.pdf

You are not reading my all posts, It is already there in forum and working with less number of components...

Super God

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #486 on: July 21, 2008, 05:36:25 PM »
Wow, so you REALLY need this system then =D  This is great news for you and your community, now that finally have something that works.  I'm glad we could all work together to make this work.

xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #487 on: July 21, 2008, 05:41:17 PM »
You are not reading my all posts, It is already there in forum and working with less number of components...

I might have missed it...send me a link...

vrand

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #488 on: July 21, 2008, 06:30:41 PM »
Today I assembled engine again with new piston rings and oil seals, Tomorrow taking trials again with new coil based plasma generation circuit......

Its not truck strike, demand is more and supply is less , car line is there but on the road sides ,Petrol is too much expensive here in India and we have to wait 2 or more hours at petrol pumps to get it....food prices are going high...No raining....

Hi,

Good to hear that your test engine is back again for testing.  Looking forward to your new design research results.

Possible test for "Charging water"

Water is different worldwide in the natural concentrations of the electric charge of the calcium and magnesium ions present in nearly all sources of drinking water.

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From: peterfallenbach over at WaterFuel1978@yahoogroups.com:

...You can "charge" the water prior to letting it into the cylinder, or you can do it right before the firing.

If the water will see just one side of the HV prior to the firing it will become ionized. Surely not as strong as if one could outside, but better than nothing.

This would also mean, that it could be a good improvement to fire the HV again and again during the combustion, so that more and more electrons get sucked away from the plasma, and so the explosion would
be even stronger.

There would also be other ways. E.g. like Stan did it by making a circuit which blocks the introduction of the electrons in the water a bit and therefore it starts to get this charge imbalance.

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Regards,
Michael Randall

Gearhead

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #489 on: July 21, 2008, 07:15:13 PM »
If you want charged water find someone with a water ionizer.  These things plug into the wall and can easily change the pH down tp 2.5 or up to 9.5 just by the charge.  You can find an ionizer like enagic or jupiter on ebay.

vrand

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #490 on: July 21, 2008, 07:33:38 PM »
If you want charged water find someone with a water ionizer.  These things plug into the wall and can easily change the pH down tp 2.5 or up to 9.5 just by the charge.  You can find an ionizer like enagic or jupiter on ebay.

Hi,

Yes, a separate water ionizer unit is the way to go for personal drinking water and maybe for fueling a small car, but they are expensive and need to change out the filter cartridges after so many gallons.

The method proposed by peterfallenbach was a simple cheap way to "charging water on demand" going into the engine. 

The idea being that maybe charged water, by ionizing it, might improve our plasma spark ignition efficiency to fuel an engine.

Regards,
Michael Randall

magneto_DC

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #491 on: July 21, 2008, 08:22:37 PM »
You are not reading my all posts, It is already there in forum and working with less number of components...


Yes, missed too.

Some more info, please.

Increasing LV voltage?
Not increasing LV capacitor from 330uF up to 470uF, but decreasing down to....?

Thanks
magneto_DC


The woodward is not what we look for. HV discharge lasts for 40 us, but plasma only the first 2us.

Super God

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #492 on: July 21, 2008, 08:35:10 PM »
Where can I learn more about charging the water?  You can burn charged water cant you?

vrand

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #493 on: July 21, 2008, 09:12:36 PM »
Where can I learn more about charging the water?  You can burn charged water cant you?

Hi,
Charging water here is called ionizing water to a range of pH 2 to 12 from a average water pH of 7, with the idea of not adding additional minerial ions.  Drinking water already has mineral ions included that can be further ionized.

From Wiki:
A water ionizer separates water into an alkaline fraction and an acid fraction. It does this by exploiting the electric charge of the calcium and magnesium ions present in nearly all sources of drinking water. When a source of water lacks mineral ions -- such as distilled water or water filtered via reverse osmosis -- a water ionizer has negligible effect.

Here is a comparison of Water Ionizers on the market:
http://www.jupiterionizers.com/catalog/compare-technos-Marvello.htm

An Introduction to Dissolved Ions
http://drake.marin.k12.ca.us/stuwork/ROCKwater/Dissolved%20Ions/an%20introduction%20to%20dissolved%20ions.html

Regards,
Michael Randall

rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #494 on: July 21, 2008, 10:19:35 PM »
Hi guys,

I'm tired of puling that engine cord. >:(
Sometimes I get one single explosion but that's it.
I'm still using gasoline.

When I use a direct connection between the HV coil and the plug it starts right away.

When I use the circuit It just won't start. with  or without the power supply on.
I have good HV sparks outside de engine but they are no good to ignite that gas.

Another interesting result. When I try to use the power supply which is a computer UPS:
http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BK650MI
400W 230VAC... well 170VAC measured. :-\
outside the engine first spark is loud, and the following are much weaker...
INSIDE the engine the UPS just can't stand the pain... it shuts down by overload.

Overload? why? 400W to charge a 330uF capacitor passing throw a 75W bulb????
If I exchange the polarity of the capacitor70 coil in one end the UPS overloads every time.

By the way! after building a coil just like capacitor70 did, I confirmed the sparking between the windings of the magnetic wire used. So today I picked up a HV coil from a 9" monitor, removed the core and did the same coil but with 2,5mm section insulated wire has secondary. Did not notice any sparks at the coil any more and the result was also good.

I'm starting to think that leave the diode arrangement was not viable idea. But it is very economic thow! ;)


I hope these results help capacitor70 and every one else.