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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 481781 times)

Offline capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2008, 08:37:08 AM »

Offline icanbeatbob

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2008, 09:13:26 AM »
My hat is off too you.

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Offline resonanceman

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #182 on: June 21, 2008, 03:03:37 PM »

Offline Super God

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #183 on: June 21, 2008, 05:57:19 PM »
Sweet.  Try warming up the block if have not done so already with gasoline and switch over to water.  Just an idea.  Keep up the excellent work!

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #184 on: June 21, 2008, 07:32:29 PM »
Excellent ;D

you are not far off to having it run. I think SG is right, the motor would need to be at full operating temperature. How about you start it on gas and when it gets hot you use your spray bottle and spray hot water directly in the carburetor and see what it does. If it accelerates then it will work. I recommend to have a long pipe on the exhaust and wrap a copper pipe around it to have the water heated by the exhaust and turn to super heated steam and the pipe goes to the intake of the carburetor. So start on gas and once the steam kick in cut the gas feed.
Have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czoxOqZ8rxk

Also the GEET system was able to use 50% to 70% water with the gas mix but they could not go over that. However they did not modify the spark. I think if they did they could have it run 100% on water.
Have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeWbzYxRrgI

You now have it all.

Luc

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #185 on: June 21, 2008, 09:18:25 PM »
Great work capacitor70,  this is starting to look a lot more promising!

One question and at the risk of going OT, but since someone already mentioned it earlier - has anyone here tried re-creating the "Firestorm" sparkplugs?  There is a huge amount of work gone into increasing mileage with HHO, whereas just by using spark-plugs of this design you proportedly get a 20-40% increase in mileage, with zero other modifications!  Even the developer created his prototypes in the crudest of fashions:

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I took a brand new plug and filed it down to make it look like a dome and fired it and noticed it worked a little better. But I still had a problem with the ground side. So, I whacked the ground off and started putting different configurations of grounding electrodes on it. I held that together with toothpicks to make it easy to change them. And I put a half a loop on and it seemed to fire a little bit better.

Then I took the head off a screw and bashed it with a hammer until it took a dome shape. Then I took the other side and dimpled it creating a concave... an inverted dome really. I sat that dome very carefully on top of the electrode of the new plug that I had filed to accommodate it, then I put a half a ring over it for the negative electrode. I held all that together with toothpicks. And it started firing like crazy and I said, 'Hey! I've really got something here...'

http://www.shoutgreen.com/feature-Make_your_own_Krupa_Firestorm_Spark_Plug.html

Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #186 on: June 21, 2008, 10:01:42 PM »
Sprocket : here is  some animation i made about a year ago on how i think someone could make a firestorm plug.... it s just a thought!!

http://members.aol.com/billman311/firestorm.html

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #187 on: June 22, 2008, 02:14:04 AM »
Hey, i just made a animation for a dual anode spark plug! So the HV in keep separate then the LV, untill the  tip of the plug, and no need to worry about the cars ground.

This is not my idea, it comes from ATHAL on the waterfuel1978 yahoo group. In the files you can see his PDF. I just went a different way with the insulation material. Carbon fiber should be a lot stronger than broken glass.

http://designstudioexpress.com/dual.html

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #188 on: June 22, 2008, 02:53:00 AM »
Sprocket : here is  some animation i made about a year ago on how i think someone could make a firestorm plug.... it s just a thought!!

http://members.aol.com/billman311/firestorm.html

xbox, nice animation!  I have bought sparkplugs with one of the two Firestorm-type side-to-side ground electrodes in the past, except it did not extend all the say - it was cut in the center, right over the center electrode. (if any of that makes sense!)  It may be possible to 'complete the loop' by brazing in a piece of metal to fill the gap.  You would still need to add another ground loop somehow though...

It's fustrating to see 'simple' solutions to better fuel economy like this neglected - it's now definely on my 'to-do/try' list...

Offline resonanceman

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #189 on: June 22, 2008, 02:56:01 AM »
Hey, i just made a animation for a dual anode spark plug! So the HV in keep separate then the LV, untill the  tip of the plug, and no need to worry about the cars ground.

This is not my idea, it comes from ATHAL on the waterfuel1978 yahoo group. In the files you can see his PDF. I just went a different way with the insulation material. Carbon fiber should be a lot stronger than broken glass.

http://designstudioexpress.com/dual.html

Xbox

cool  idea  .............but  carbon fiber is a  pretty good conductor .
I think that   ceramic tubes would be required .   



gary

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #190 on: June 22, 2008, 03:04:04 AM »
Hey, i just made a animation for a dual anode spark plug! So the HV in keep separate then the LV, untill the  tip of the plug, and no need to worry about the cars ground.

This is not my idea, it comes from ATHAL on the waterfuel1978 yahoo group. In the files you can see his PDF. I just went a different way with the insulation material. Carbon fiber should be a lot stronger than broken glass.

http://designstudioexpress.com/dual.html

Xbox

have  you  tried  to break the  ceramic  out of a sparkplug?

If it is practical  to break the   ceramic out and a  practical way to  replace it with something else can be found  you may have given me   one of the answers I  have been looking for .


gary.   

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #191 on: June 22, 2008, 04:08:08 AM »
Sprocket: dont try it with "multi electrode" plugs, cause you will need to add you own "bird cage" electrode. So dont waste you money, buy cheap-o's!

resonanceman: DOH!!!!!! your right!!!! Please disregard the carbon fiber dual anode plug!  :-\
also...yes i have broken out the insulator in a normal plug... and had just a hollow body... still havent gotten around to even begin to make a dual anode plug yet.... Just a bunch of broken plugs...LOL

as i mentioned...its not my idea! I want to make it fully clear that its ATHAL's idea from waterfuel1978 group! He has already made a prototype for it, its all in the PDF in his folder in the files section. I just thought it would be better to presss tubing in to the body rather than make the insulator out of used bulbs, like ATHAL had done.

EDIT: Sprocket...here is a idea for the "bird cage" ground electrode.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #192 on: June 22, 2008, 04:34:48 AM »
resonanceman: i was also looking into "cold-casting porcelain" ... it would seem that you take 1/3 epoxy, 1/3 hardener, and 1/3 porcelain dust (by weight). I am looking for a epoxy that will withstand the heat and the pressure.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #193 on: June 22, 2008, 04:50:32 AM »
resonanceman: i was also looking into "cold-casting porcelain" ... it would seem that you take 1/3 epoxy, 1/3 hardener, and 1/3 porcelain dust (by weight). I am looking for a epoxy that will withstand the heat and the pressure.

Xbox

I am thinking  of  procelain   or  a similar  ceramic    .

Anyone here  have any  experience   with a  HHO torch?
I have heard that they can  burn a hole in  firebrick ........and  weld  metal to things like brick .
It seems to me that  with a jig  that spins  the  plug at a few RPM    a water   torch  could   seal  the  ends of  the plug  pretty efficently   if the  right materials  are used .   

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resonanceman: DOH!!!!!! your right!!!! Please disregard the carbon fiber dual anode plug!


I think it is  a great concept .....just  needs a little work  on the  materials .   

gary

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #194 on: June 22, 2008, 05:01:59 AM »
resonanceman: i was also looking into "cold-casting porcelain" ... it would seem that you take 1/3 epoxy, 1/3 hardener, and 1/3 porcelain dust (by weight). I am looking for a epoxy that will withstand the heat and the pressure.

Unless there has been some pretty big advances in  epoxy  I don't think you  will find  one that  can take that kind of heat . 


I  am wondering  about  using something  like  ( if  I remember right )   sodium  silacate ...... it  used to be called waterglass
It  used to  be used for sealing packages .  I   also  read how it could be used to repair  chips in  glassware
Repairing chipped  glass   required a torch .......but not near enough heat to  melt the glass


gary