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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 409270 times)

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2008, 06:47:09 PM »
Running bike on water

I have tried my 14 tube HHO generator with four different Engines.
1. 2 stroke 80 CC bike engine works fine. Uncontrolled accelleration.
2. 2 Stroke 35 CC Engine. could not start at same gas production.
3. 4 Stroke Engine 80CC Engine not working at all.
4. 4 Stroke 125CC Bike every time back fire could not strat.

I have modified spark plug for 4 stroke engine, Its not working please give me suggestion
Photos of spark plug

Brass on the side is NRV (Non return valve)

Please run my 4 stroke engine ???

My observation with two strke bike runs becouse of exhaust gas mix with hydrogen
and due to this slow burning may be. ???

With 35 CC engine we have not used gasoline at all so there may be no cabon inside

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2008, 06:47:09 PM »

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2008, 07:06:20 PM »
Running bike on water

I have tried my 14 tube HHO generator with four different Engines.
1. 2 stroke 80 CC bike engine works fine. Uncontrolled accelleration.
2. 2 Stroke 35 CC Engine. could not start at same gas production.
3. 4 Stroke Engine 80CC Engine not working at all.
4. 4 Stroke 125CC Bike every time back fire could not strat.

I have modified spark plug for 4 stroke engine, Its not working please give me suggestion
Photos of spark plug

Brass on the side is NRV (Non return valve)

UPDATE!!!

I understand what that piece is.  It is a plug saver.  Designed to keep plugs from fouling in engines that are burning oil.  Is that right??

Please run my 4 stroke engine ???

My observation with two strke bike runs becouse of exhaust gas mix with hydrogen
and due to this slow burning may be. ???

With 35 CC engine we have not used gasoline at all so there may be no cabon inside


That's quite a nice bit of engineering.  Did you machine that yourself?

how are you metering the HHO supply to that device?

What shape of spark are you getting in that tip?  I don't understand how that tip generates a spark.

Can you do a quick video of that unit connected to a running car (out of the engine) and show us how it is firing?

What is going on with your intake track on these engines, when you are running your fuel into this unit?

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UPDATE!!

I understand what that is.  It is a plug saver, designed to keep plugs from fouling in oil burning engines.  Very clever.

You might consider machining off that end cap, as you don't need to shield the plug end from oil.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2008, 07:20:44 PM »
My though is that you need some sort of solenoid to inject your gas.  Just allowing it to leak in is too inconsistent.

Did you retard the timing on your 4 strokes?

How much gas is you cell producing?


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Offline Creativity

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2008, 07:37:56 PM »
Running bike on water

I have tried my 14 tube HHO generator with four different Engines.
1. 2 stroke 80 CC bike engine works fine. Uncontrolled accelleration.
2. 2 Stroke 35 CC Engine. could not start at same gas production.
3. 4 Stroke Engine 80CC Engine not working at all.
4. 4 Stroke 125CC Bike every time back fire could not strat.

I have modified spark plug for 4 stroke engine, Its not working please give me suggestion
Photos of spark plug

Brass on the side is NRV (Non return valve)

Please run my 4 stroke engine ???

My observation with two strke bike runs becouse of exhaust gas mix with hydrogen
and due to this slow burning may be. ???

With 35 CC engine we have not used gasoline at all so there may be no cabon inside


can u explain how u use this setup? do u inject water with this plug?or is is used to draw HHO?
I would strongly not recommend using water drawn with fuel in 2 stroker.In 2 stroker charge (air fuel) travels through the crank case,if u add water here ,corrosion of ball bearings is sure and engine will need rebuild(i was working before with 2 stroker cross motorbikes,if they stay outside too long,water condensation in crank case is sure...for winter i runned them first with very much of oil so to assure the crank case will have enough oil to prevent from rusting). If u use this spark plug to inject water with it (and also generate spark) it is a cool idea! In your shoes i would first run engine without any additions,when it is hot start injecting what u want.In that case u give enough thermal energy to evaporate water.Try with a spark that is hotter(smaller number rating),it will be cooled by water anyhow.I guess u get just the water cloaging the spark and loosing the spark.
4 stroker runs cooler than 2 stroker,so again i guess u have not enough heat to evaporate water u r introducing(try hotter spark plug!)

I am preatty sure u draw not enough HHO through this tiny holes if its just by piston suction only.Back fire is a signal of lean mixture or maybe u have waste spark?(what engine r u testing)

i wait for ur response on the working of ur system so i can give some possible causes of problems.

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« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2008, 07:40:32 PM »
That's quite a nice bit of engineering.  Did you machine that yourself?
No, I have only designed it.
how are you metering the HHO supply to that device?
HHO supply is given from NRV, so that high temprature spark can be used to burn lean mixture of HHO and air.
No gasoline or other fuel. Air intake is in controle. The reson for this spark plug is When I mix little air with HHO engine spark
plug is inefficient. See my WFC and Engine Fundamental Video on Youtube "Capacitor70"


What shape of spark are you getting in that tip?  I don't understand how that tip generates a spark.
Its not generating spark it generated HHO flame 3000 Deg. C like HHO torch for very short period 

Can you do a quick video of that unit connected to a running car (out of the engine) and show us how it is firing?
It gives flame like four HHO torch

What is going on with your intake track on these engines, when you are running your fuel into this unit?
I am not inserting fuel at all, Intetake is only air. in the piston chamber lean mixture of HHO+air and at spark plug tip it is pure HHO

My though is that you need some sort of solenoid to inject your gas.  Just allowing it to leak in is too inconsistent.
Same thing i will try when I get some budget. See HAJI system (Hydrogen jet ignition)

Did you retard the timing on your 4 strokes?
Yes, See WFC and Engine fundamentals for simple circuit of engine timing modification, this circuit can be adjested at
any possition and very very simple works nice


How much gas is you cell producing?
I have not measured it, But it is sufficient to run bike at 10Km/Hr, conclusion from running 2 Stroke 80CC bike (uncontrolled acceleration)

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2008, 07:40:32 PM »
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2008, 07:46:31 PM »
use ngk or plasma plugs. 

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2008, 07:55:20 PM »
That's quite a nice bit of engineering.  Did you machine that yourself?
No, I have only designed

how are you metering the HHO supply to that device?
No mesurement,

What shape of spark are you getting in that tip?  I don't understand how that tip generates a spark.
Like hydrogen torch in four directions

Can you do a quick video of that unit connected to a running car (out of the engine) and show us how it is firing?
Ok, I will make it soon,

What is going on with your intake track on these engines, when you are running your fuel into this unit?
Intake is only air, No fuel at all, I want to make complete water powered, NO GASOLINE

My though is that you need some sort of solenoid to inject your gas.  Just allowing it to leak in is too inconsistent.
Same thought is in my mind but I am makeing it at low cost, budget is over

Did you retard the timing on your 4 strokes?
Yes, See WFC and Engine Fundamental video on youtube "Capacitor70" for simple circuit, it can set timing to any position

How much gas is you cell producing?
Not measured but enough to run 2 Stroke 80CC bike at 10Km/Hr, conclution from some practical results

can u explain how u use this setup?
During intake cycle it sucks the HHO from Spark Plug and some air from intake, At spak plug chamber it is reach mixture,
In Main Chamber(piston) lean mixture, when reach mixture is ignited easyly, See WFC and Engine Fundamental video on youtube "Capacitor70" Autoignition temprature and other hydrogen properties are given in that presentaion.


do u inject water with this plug?or is is used to draw HHO?
No water injection, used for draw HHO from Sprk plug to maintain reach mixture at spark plug tip

I would strongly not recommend using water drawn with fuel in 2 stroker.In 2 stroker charge (air fuel) travels through the crank case,if u add water here ,corrosion of ball bearings is sure and engine will need rebuild(i was working before with 2 stroker cross motorbikes,if they stay outside too long,water condensation in crank case is sure...for winter i runned them first with very much of oil so to assure the crank case will have enough oil to prevent from rusting). If u use this spark plug to inject water with it (and also generate spark) it is a cool idea! In your shoes i would first run engine without any additions,when it is hot start injecting what u want.In that case u give enough thermal energy to evaporate water.Try with a spark that is hotter(smaller number rating),it will be cooled by water anyhow.I guess u get just the water cloaging the spark and loosing the spark.
4 stroker runs cooler than 2 stroker,so again i guess u have not enough heat to evaporate water u r introducing(try hotter spark plug!)

i wait for ur response on the working of ur system so i can give some possible causes of problems.
I am not running 2 stroke engine for long time, only for experiment, after experiment hevy oil mixed petrol is given for some time to prevent engine damage



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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2008, 07:59:58 PM »
Can you do a quick video of that unit connected to a running car (out of the engine) and show us how it is firing?
It gives flame like four HHO torch


ok, i think that this is your problem.

first of all, excuse my ignorance, but can you explain what an NRV is?

If you're gas flow in continuous you are doing just what you are saying above.  You are making a torch.

In a combustion chamber, the fuel air mixture has to circulate around the chamber, before it is ignited.  If you fire the gas, the first time, you might have residual burn going on after the power stroke. I think that you are depending on the ball bearing to halt the gas flow into the cylinder on the compression stroke, but if you get any detonation (lean hot burning) you are still burning on the intake stroke.  Also, I don't know if that plug cap is harboring some residue burn.

There are just a lot of variables going on here.  I think that if you are going to design an injector system, you need a solenoid to "inject"  Depending on cell HHO generation pressure is too random.

These are all just novice theory.

Offline Creativity

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2008, 09:17:03 PM »
capacitor i like ur approach :) Very wisely u separated lean from rich,kind of prechamber as in old Diesels mixed with concept of direct injection to create layered charge densities.Nice i will use this in a regular car to test how it goes to economy(u made it from a scrach?or u bought a halfproduct somewhere?).If designed well it should make some nice swirl inside of the chamber when it ignites and fast flame spreading through the chamber=> more rapid burning and allows to run leaner.Good both for economy and high rpm's power with very little HHO needed.
It has a potential as an easy add on system for a standard gasoline ICE.If used only as a ignition helper for gasoline combustion it could run on tiny HHO required and give some real numbers of improvement.

Some brainstorming from me:

The problem could be to get the right temperature rating of the plug.Face of the prechamber will be probably running cold(unfortunately u use no gasoline so i can not say by the look of the surface...)because it is very compact and has a lot of metal to conduct the heat to the cylinder head.Removing some of the metal would make it hotter and allow of self cleaning.

Spark inside will probably also run cold as it is not in contact with a flame for the most of the work cycle as a normal spark plug does(face of the prechamber work as a fire shield here).Hotter spark plug than standard one would be a simple solution here.

Prechamber volume and holes sizing will play a role in a time it needs to stop flaming(at high rpm's it may flame too long if holes are too small and chamber is too big in volume) what would cause a problem with 2 strokers(ignition would overlap the fresh charge induction into cilinder).

4 stroker has a nasty turbulences close to the intake valve seat,with reversing gases and it creates almost no vacuum figures.That is why u have not enough vacuum to draw ur HHO inside.Spark plug is very close to the valves seats and in a region of relatevely high pressure.That could hold if u are not using any pressurization of HHO.Giving some pressure to ur setup may make it work.Also a spring tension in ur reverse valve plays a major role if u see my point.I would suggest to pressurise HHO aspecially when starting the engine(low rpm's in that case gives a lot of time for air to fill cilinder,and there would be almost no vacuum at all to draw any HHO).OR close butterfly to create low pressure inside of the chamber and suck HHO.

2 stroker depends highly on wave phases in the exhaust,there is no pure induction phase in engine cycle.Vacuum in cilinder exists very shortly and is created by escaping exhaust gases mass momentum+ wave tuning.Charge is sucked by under piston chamber(crank case chamber) and also pressurised under the piston to aid introduction of the fresh charge into the cilinder.Spark plug is here far away from turbulent induction ports and exhaust ports,may have some advantage in allowing for vacuum around the spark plug.

Still i suppose u are aware of amounts of HHo needed to run an engine?First step,calculate how much u need(roughly) then assure u actually draw it into ur engine.Still those small holes there looks very tiny for engine needs.Suppy additional HHO through the intake system.


Some tip: if u have a vacuum indicator,like used for motorbikes carburator synchronisation,u can easily read the vacuum on ur spark plug.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2008, 09:17:03 PM »
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2008, 11:32:39 PM »
Has any one thought to use a CVCC engine?

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2008, 11:49:23 PM »
Has any one thought to use a CVCC engine?

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nice   ;D i knew i saw the concept somewhere :) thx! i guess honda had that time too much problems with this extra valve.but yeah it would be really nice to feed this prechamber with HHO .

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2008, 04:23:58 AM »
Nice i will use this in a regular car to test how it goes to economy(u made it from a scrach?or u bought a halfproduct somewhere?).
Use of gasoline in prechamber helps much you can achive 20:1 AF ratio with only gasoline, More can be achived with hydrogen.

If used only as a ignition helper for gasoline combustion it could run on tiny HHO required and give some real numbers of improvement.
This is true thats what I am trying. Use of firestrom sprk plug increases 40% mpg, then this may double it

2 stroker depends highly on wave phases in the exhaust,there is no pure induction phase in engine cycle.Vacuum in cilinder exists very shortly and is created by escaping exhaust gases mass momentum+ wave tuning.Charge is sucked by under piston chamber(crank case chamber) and also pressurised under the piston to aid introduction of the fresh charge into the cilinder.Spark plug is here far away from turbulent induction ports and exhaust ports,may have some advantage in allowing for vacuum around the spark plug.
That may be reson. I am getting result only with 2 stroke.

Still i suppose u are aware of amounts of HHo needed to run an engine?First step,calculate how much u need(roughly) then assure u actually draw it into ur engine.Still those small holes there looks very tiny for engine needs.Suppy additional HHO through the intake system.
I am having too much leaks in the HHO generater nearly 50% goes into air. I have to solve this problem before I take more test.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2008, 05:40:33 AM »
Nice i will use this in a regular car to test how it goes to economy(u made it from a scrach?or u bought a halfproduct somewhere?).
Use of gasoline in prechamber helps much you can achive 20:1 AF ratio with only gasoline, More can be achived with hydrogen.

If used only as a ignition helper for gasoline combustion it could run on tiny HHO required and give some real numbers of improvement.
This is true thats what I am trying. Use of firestrom sprk plug increases 40% mpg, then this may double it

2 stroker depends highly on wave phases in the exhaust,there is no pure induction phase in engine cycle.Vacuum in cilinder exists very shortly and is created by escaping exhaust gases mass momentum+ wave tuning.Charge is sucked by under piston chamber(crank case chamber) and also pressurised under the piston to aid introduction of the fresh charge into the cilinder.Spark plug is here far away from turbulent induction ports and exhaust ports,may have some advantage in allowing for vacuum around the spark plug.
That may be reson. I am getting result only with 2 stroke.

Still i suppose u are aware of amounts of HHo needed to run an engine?First step,calculate how much u need(roughly) then assure u actually draw it into ur engine.Still those small holes there looks very tiny for engine needs.Suppy additional HHO through the intake system.
I am having too much leaks in the HHO generater nearly 50% goes into air. I have to solve this problem before I take more test.

How much HHO do you think you are generating?


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2008, 05:51:37 AM »
Yeah all this mechanics stuff is bogging me down.  I'm contemplating on going to a one cylinder engine until I get my stuff straightened out.  Yes I do have a diagram:

(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg114/SuperGodlyGodz/NewCircuit.gif)

So where you able to get your plasma spark generating?  Did you engine fire before it was hydrolocked?  What did you break in the hydrolock?  Just curious, haven't seen any updates in a while.  Did you end up purchasing the Direct Hits or the Pulse Stars?

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #89 on: June 07, 2008, 08:57:57 AM »
Can any one please tell me the system of s1r9a9m9 water car.

is it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Uk511S_I ?

Please given me steps involve in replication of s1r9a9m9 so that I can strat work on it.

 

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