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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 463863 times)

Offline capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #720 on: August 08, 2008, 06:48:19 AM »
Try it at your own risk, This circuit makes plasma spark without discharging capacitor (may be little discharge can be observed)
It is not tested I don't have same rating capacitors, USE ALL THREE CAPACITOR OF SAME RATING. KEEP VOLTAGE RATING DOUBLE THAN THE CHARGE VOLTAGE. relays can be used to change the position of capacitor.

I have taken test with 1000uF 25V capacitors,
during test capacitors are charged at 12V, after first step I measured voltage across each capacitors
capacitor 1 and 2 voltages are 5V and capacitor 3 is having 10V

as per Q=CV
initially I am having total charge of Q=24m
after step 1 total charge is Q=20m  :o (this gives me little arc also and consider self discharge of capacitor It menace that it is possible to get plasma at very low current or without discharging capacitors)

Offline capacitor70

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #721 on: August 08, 2008, 06:52:16 AM »
Those who have electric bike  :D, I don't know how to switch four batteries to get this effect. If any one want to discuss more PM me. don't think bottom sentence written by me I born in 1985.

Offline rfsimoes

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #722 on: August 08, 2008, 10:49:04 PM »
Hi all,

I thought that I was late on replicating cap70 idling engine on pure tap water. But I still don't see any successful replication yet. 8)

I'm writing today because I need help from a mechanic.
I have a B&S 3HP 127CC engine and i have it set up with and external car HV coil.
Since this engine has dry contacts, I think it is called points and condenser ignition, I used them to set the timing to my HV car coil and then used a 12V battery to feed the coil.
Today I fired up my engine on pure gas and it idle quite easy, has always! :P
But!........ it just idles and it doesn't rev up like this guy here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAlGfIzbfc8
Could it be that since I don't use the original HV coil, the timing has changed and now is offset?

Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #723 on: August 09, 2008, 12:18:51 AM »
More Test Data!

Gettinwet had sent me some plugs for marine engines. WOW!!!!! They work great!!! Nice plasma flame shoots straight out of the top!  ;D ;D

So here is a test i did, i put the gettinwet's plug in the jig i made, with NO pressure and a small amount of water...plug on one end and the gauge on the other. Completely sealed! I started firing it... the gauge didnt really move too much at first a few psi...but over time (about 10mins of firing, total test time) The pressure started building up...a little at a time. I got the thing up to 40PSI!!!!!!! JUST WITH THE PLASMA FIRING!!!! The more the pressure in the tube the higher the gain when the plasma fires! Then it started leaking air  :P

But the gauge still goes up on fire and back down after, but somehow i was able o make the pressure stay just enough to add more to it on the next fire. Rapid fire is still not close, but this plug fires 3 times faster then the last vid i did!

Now i had tried this setup in the jig with a normal plug and 2 bolt electrode setup and it didnt even come close to these results....

SO...who wants me to make a vid of it...LOL

@HV:
you said they were on sale at walmart for $1 ...BUY THEM ALL......lol ;D

Offline tiltfulll

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #724 on: August 09, 2008, 12:22:13 AM »
Hi all,

I thought that I was late on replicating cap70 idling engine on pure tap water. But I still don't see any successful replication yet. 8)

I'm writing today because I need help from a mechanic.
I have a B&S 3HP 127CC engine and i have it set up with and external car HV coil.
Since this engine has dry contacts, I think it is called points and condenser ignition, I used them to set the timing to my HV car coil and then used a 12V battery to feed the coil.
Today I fired up my engine on pure gas and it idle quite easy, has always! :P
But!........ it just idles and it doesn't rev up like this guy here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAlGfIzbfc8
Could it be that since I don't use the original HV coil, the timing has changed and now is offset?

I not familiar with that engine but if you just using a different coil I don't see how would be your timing off.
Unless you loosened up the "dry contacts" or the plate that the contacts are mounted.
Usually the plate that holds the contacts are turnable, that is how you adjust the timing.

Offline vlindos

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #725 on: August 09, 2008, 12:24:35 AM »
about the "pressure" topic:
Here http://mb-soft.com/public2/engine.html is written that in normal internal combustion engines the pressure is arised 5 times during the explosion. So from 120 psi (at TDC) the piston driving force goes up to 500 psi. And that is for let say 2l engine, 4 stroke -> 0.5l cylinder chamber.

@cap70,xbox:
would you reveal little more details about the latest circuits that you are using (about the coil based).
what is the toroid size? does the coil needs to be toroid (i saw pictures from xbox using PVC :)? what is the capacitance of the capacitors included after the coil 2200, 3900, 7000 - nanofarads ? what is the purpose of the first spark plug and how the electricity goes through the gap, because the voltage after the inverter seems to be no more than 315 V? How ofter you successed "plasma sparks" in second?

@xbox:
I remember you'd said that you achieved pressure 160 psi from 40 psi - 4x times pressure increase. This is a good sign, isn't it? The thing is how to constant and make happens more often? what is the size of your pvc chamber?

@cap70:
about your latest invention: from the schema you'd posted it isn't clear what and where is destined, is this schema intented to fire a plasma spark at all  ;D ? how do you charge discharge the capacitors ?

 
thanks!

Offline happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #726 on: August 09, 2008, 12:49:00 AM »
@Xbox,

This is great news , i knew when i saw these plugs they were special. I hope they work in a motor.....WE WANT MORE VIDEO'S !!!!!!!!   

@All,

These are "Champion" marine  plugs # L76V

Aloha,

HV

Offline gettinwet

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #727 on: August 09, 2008, 12:51:58 AM »
@ Xbox

Glad they got there!!! Can't wait to see the video!

Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #728 on: August 09, 2008, 01:08:33 AM »
@vlindos:
The schematic is here.....
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3977.0;attach=25503

The size if the toroidal does not matter, i use a linear ferrite rod! I am useing  500pF @ 6000V cap onthe primary side. Cap70 siad the primary spark gap is like a switch, and the secondary gets its HV from the inductance of the  transformer. I have many images, i dont know what one you are looking at that has PVC, but if you tell me what one i will tell you what it is....

@everyone:
I made a vid, and it is prossising now....but i FUCK UP...the camera died and i didnt know!!!!! LOL so i kept testing, then i figured it out, and started rolling again, but the data is off because the laps of time... :-\ But it still shows what i was talking about...AND THEN IT LEAKED AGAIN....LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

I have to run to Lowes to get new PVC...

Offline vlindos

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #729 on: August 09, 2008, 01:29:35 AM »
The size if the toroidal does not matter, i use a linear ferrite rod! I am useing  500pF @ 6000V cap onthe primary side. Cap70 siad the primary spark gap is like a switch, and the secondary gets its HV from the inductance of the  transformer.
Thanks for the explanation (silly me). So the new capacitors are just for the raising the switch on and the lesser capacitance lesser jaules be stolen from the HV spark. Wondering how much farads would be enough to raise switch enough to discharge the big cap.

I have many images, i dont know what one you are looking at that has PVC, but if you tell me what one i will tell you what it is....
 
The one that you've claimed you having 160 psi (i think no video was posted about that).


BTW you didn't mentioned how much is the current rate of successefuly "plasma sparks" per second (or period if not possible to count ;D )
Thank you again.


Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #730 on: August 09, 2008, 02:26:02 AM »
@vlindos:
The PVC thing is a pressure testing jig i made.......

@Everyone!!!!!
I completely encourage everyone to make one of Cap70s coil plasma sparker!!! Try to make it to specs and then experiment and try new things!!!!!

Offline gettinwet

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #731 on: August 09, 2008, 03:29:04 AM »
@Xbox
Where's the vid dude... I wanna see my plugs in action!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #732 on: August 09, 2008, 03:42:18 AM »
OK...new move is up...here it is....


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hXLvjL_ZY

Sorry it took so long, i had to paste 2 movies together.

It seems that the more pressure the better the plasma pressure!! BUT i have to do some more tests!!!!


Please let me know you thoughts and observations...THANX!!!

Offline happyvalley808

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #733 on: August 09, 2008, 03:53:05 AM »
@Xbox,

I'm lovin it! Can we please see a close up of the plug firing out side the chamber ?....Does it miss-fire like the normal plugs?

Thank you,

HV

Offline xbox hacker

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #734 on: August 09, 2008, 04:01:37 AM »
@Xbox,

I'm lovin it! Can we please see a close up of the plug firing out side the chamber ?....Does it miss-fire like the normal plugs?

Thank you,

HV
NO YOU CAN NOT!!!!! NOT EVER!!!!!!!!!.....lol

But really, i cant catch the plasma flame with my camera....if anyone wants to lend me a high speed camera..... ::)  ;D ;D ;D ;D

But i will say the flame is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!

I will try to catch it and see what it looks like. And i will make sure the camera is charged!!!!! LOL