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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 434031 times)

Offline Sprocket

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2008, 05:54:00 AM »
Wow, spectacular pics capacitor70!!! - excellent workmanship as well :D

Question, given that it is taking 5secs to recharge, and assuming you would eventually generate your HV using an ordinary inverter, would a 'typical' inverter be up to the job of charging a cap bank fast enough to run an engine?

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2008, 06:06:25 AM »
I think this is a really good idea, doing it like that, to merge the HV and LV part in the same cicuit! (doing it serially with a lot of small caps which are responsible for the HV and one big for the long LV)
The only problem could be, like you saw, that all of the elements have to withstand quite a strong current and surges.
If one would make the same circuit, but in a MARX-Generator layout, one could get rid of the diodes, just as a remark...

And as I calculated above, if your discharge with your current circuit (around 340uF) gets the same amount of bang as some gaz in a cylinder would, then it would be possible to make an easy engine conversion...
Hi Shanti,

I like your name :) it sounds so peacefull ;)

Here is a link to buy 6A10 1000V 6A Power Diode for $3.00 for 10 (ten) plus $6.00 for shipping from Hong Kong for as many sets
of 10 that you want (each extra set is free to ship). http://cgi.ebay.com/6A10-1000V-6A-Power-Diode-10-pieces_W0QQitemZ200209858953QQihZ010QQcategoryZ7287QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247  At this price I don't see a problem, unless you know that the MARX-Generator would work better in this application?

About how many watts do you figure it would take to run a 6 cylinder at 2,000 RPM

@capacitor70, great work ;) thank you for testing and for sharing.

Luc

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2008, 06:17:16 AM »
It takes 4 to 5 sec for charging, isolation transformer have less current rating this is main reson for larger charging time

6 Stages of multiplier are used
LV Cap = 330uF 400V
HV Cap = 2.2uF 400V
Diodes = 6A4 (400V 6Amps)

See the effect Without cap and with cap

I have put injection on top of spark plug, to check what happen if I give pressure to water
I dont see any pressure which push injection upward.

Pressure is important to drive engine ? I made any mistake.. ???
 ??? Its only huge light No heating

You are right no pressure when it's COLD.  When the engine block is hot, it will expand and the piston will be driven downwards.  Otherwsie, it will all condense much like a flash steam explosion in a cold engine.  Good work.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2008, 06:17:16 AM »
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Offline gotoluc

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2008, 06:21:55 AM »
I have put injection on top of spark plug, to check what happen if I give pressure to water
I dont see any pressure which push injection upward.

Pressure is important to drive engine ? I made any mistake.. ???
 ??? Its only huge light No heating

What if it is an implosion! :o did you check that???

That could be good!... suck the piston up and no heat ;D


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2008, 06:54:43 AM »
It takes 4 to 5 sec for charging, isolation transformer have less current rating this is main reson for larger charging time

6 Stages of multiplier are used
LV Cap = 330uF 400V
HV Cap = 2.2uF 400V
Diodes = 6A4 (400V 6Amps)

See the effect Without cap and with cap

I have put injection on top of spark plug, to check what happen if I give pressure to water
I dont see any pressure which push injection upward.

Pressure is important to drive engine ? I made any mistake.. ???
 ??? Its only huge light No heating

Capicator

I  would not   worry about the   heat at this point

 You  are  making  plasma in a  open  space. .......  it will  be  mostly flash and noise . 
Think   of  a firecracker ....... if you hold your hand   open    you can light  a firecracker  and   let it  explode in your hand .
It  stings .....

Now ........if you  light a firecracker   and   hold it tightly   in a closed fist  you may  loose a  finger or 2 .

putting  the  plasma   in  a pressurized   cylinder   is like  closing  your fist aroiund  a firecracker .
If that  does not make  enough power ......then add more water .  .

It is hard  to  judge    how  much  plasma  you  have  by the pictures  ...........but  judging  by the  difference in the pictures you my have more  plasma than you need ........ if I was  you  I would  scale it back a bit for the first   in  motor  tests



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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2008, 06:54:43 AM »
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2008, 11:52:04 AM »
Hi

What if it is an implosion!  did you check that???

That could be good!... suck the piston up and no heat

I am sure its not implosion, upward pressure is there, but not much

Addining more water or compressing of water dosent make any differance

No pressure at all >:(
Its just a huge light, very very small rise in temprature

Duration of plasma ?? may be it is important, In my tests it is only 100msec  ???
 >:( >:( >:(

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #141 on: June 16, 2008, 02:09:49 PM »
Hi

What if it is an implosion!  did you check that???

That could be good!... suck the piston up and no heat

I am sure its not implosion, upward pressure is there, but not much

Addining more water or compressing of water dosent make any differance

No pressure at all >:(
Its just a huge light, very very small rise in temprature

Duration of plasma ?? may be it is important, In my tests it is only 100msec  ???
 >:( >:( >:(


I would think that if  it was an implosion   there would  have been some  talk about  that in the   original chat log .

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #142 on: June 16, 2008, 05:36:05 PM »
Important points from D13.pdf
1. s1r9a's spark: Bright blue with a white flash up to 1/4 inch around the tip and gap.
2. Tero says : The engine must be warmed up first by running it on gasoline or by heating the cylinder
block otherwise all the produced steam will condense immediatly on the cold cylinder walls.
This happens in my syringe test. I don't get any pressure rise and the inside walls of the transparent syringe are covered
with tiny droplets of condensed water.(Same with me)
3. Tero says: I then proceeded to take a small propane torch and heat the block and cylinder head of the 11hp briggs and Stratton engine.
First I heated it to 180 F and set up the experinent the same as before and dischrged the injector. This time it worked. The engine kiked over
740 Degree of rotaion. At 212 F the results were almost twice as good.
4. The hotter the engine block the better the performance.
5. Tero says: why s1r9a's diodes inside the relay don't break as they were spec'd at 600V, while the ignition coil produces a lot higher voltages (10-30KV)
Ans: the spark plug does not allow the voltage to rise to very high levels, as the air in the gap breaks down well before the ignition coil reaches is highest
open circuit voltage.
The electrical breakdown voltage of air is about 1-3KV/mm at atmosphere. The pressure inside the cylinder increases this somewhat.(Same observation lower voltage is
enough to spark in cylender during pressure)

Now problem is fast charging of capacitor and major problem is water injection in to the carb engine
 ??? ??? ???

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2008, 06:41:35 PM »
You might try the inverter directly to the capacitor through a load to limit the current to the desired amount.  The higher the voltage the faster it should charge.  Also, try a water fogger first so you don't do what I did and put too much water in.  We could have several capacitor circuits for each cylinder that could alternate chargings.  Great job, and keep up the good work.  I have some supplies coming in the mail too, then I'll be able to help out again.  Don't worry, we can work out all the details! =D

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2008, 05:08:16 AM »
How is your new setup wired, is it the same as the old one, only with the 330 uf capacitor?  You mentioned 6 stages of multipliers.
Yes it is same as previous, two stages of multiplier added and 330uF capacitor parallel with first 2.2uf capacitor.
I am having problem with this it is running at its peek rating all capacitor charged at 410V. use higher voltage rating capacitor
or add more stages. Second problem is some times its not fire, When air is compressed no problem, this is advantage at TDC automatically
it triggers spark.


 I think from the pictures thats what you were using, are they all lined up the same as the 330 uf cap?  How are they hooked up polarity wise?
I am using only one electrolytic 330uF 400V capacitor, all other capacitors are 2.2uF 400V AC capacitors. Polarity of 330uF cap is important.
It is shown in previous circuit diagram

Dont use resistor with cap, I put it for further trials, it reduced plasma glow


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2008, 06:35:16 AM »
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE CAPACITOR BASED PLASMA CIRCUIT.

I am taking trials with coil based circuit results are good soon i will give you details
fast charging of 330uF cap is possible with coil based circuit and better control over discharge
so please do not wast money on capacitor based circuit

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2008, 07:21:03 AM »
PLEASE DO NOT MAKE CAPACITOR BASED PLASMA CIRCUIT.

I am taking trials with coil based circuit results are good soon i will give you details
fast charging of 330uF cap is possible with coil based circuit and better control over discharge
so please do not wast money on capacitor based circuit
Great work ;D

All the best to you

Luc

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2008, 07:54:28 AM »
Coil based plasma spark plug is ready for use

12V Oscillator 300Hz >>Transistor TIP122 >> Step up transformer (12V xmer)>> Bridge rectifier >> 400V 330uF cap >> Diodes inseries >> Spark Plug << Diodes << Coil same as s1r9a9's circuit

Pulse to coil is given through switch, thats why you see random trigger

Results on youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvWd_ncd2Qo

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2008, 04:21:33 PM »
Coil based plasma spark plug is ready for use

12V Oscillator 300Hz >>Transistor TIP122 >> Step up transformer (12V xmer)>> Bridge rectifier >> 400V 330uF cap >> Diodes inseries >> Spark Plug << Diodes << Coil same as s1r9a9's circuit

Pulse to coil is given through switch, thats why you see random trigger

Results on youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvWd_ncd2Qo

Capacitor

Looks   good  ... 


Can you post a diagram  of the  circuit ?   

From  the parts you mention  in your post I   have most of the  stuff to   make this ....... except  the oscillator.


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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2008, 04:34:05 PM »
capacitor70 looks like you are making some great headway!!

 

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