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Author Topic: My s1r9a9m9 replication!  (Read 417403 times)

Offline Super God

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #105 on: June 08, 2008, 11:53:23 PM »
Very very nice!!  This is exactly what I'm aiming to do!  You are ahead of me!  Haha, I can't wait to get caught back up with this replication, I have fallen behind it seems.  Keep up the excellent work!

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #106 on: June 09, 2008, 04:08:27 AM »
1. I have 4 microwave 1mf 2,000 volt capacitors. Could I not use them in parallel with 2 of the hight voltage diodes from the microwaves to do the same as your schematic or is there a reason to use so many capacitors and must they need to be polarized?
You can use 1micro fared capacitor,Insted of 4 steps use only two steps of voltage multiplier(requires 4 caps), use 4007 two diode in series insted of single to make it workable with higher voltage. go for higher voltage use both 12V transformer to get more voltage. Higher the capacitance(mfd) higher current discharge
2. did you measure the amps (or better watts) consumed at the 220v input to do one explosion?
No, It is transient current difficult to measure
3. how much water is on the sparkplug before explosion?
I use pen cap on the spark plug top it contains 1 CC of water, It takes two blast to through out complete water
Remove resistance from spark plug(If present). I use meco spark plug No internal resistance present in it. Make sure diode sustane high current discharge, some times it gets shorted.

more experiments can be done with
use TYN612 600V 12 Amps SCR in series 3 nos (1800Volts@12Amps) as switch for discharge. Insted of relay, to prevent pre arcking in relay
high frequency ferrite core transformer can be used for fast charging of capacitor

YOU CAN TRY WITH MOSQUITO KILLER BAT, IT WORKS NICE, it takes very less current and gives very high plasma out

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2008, 04:28:32 AM »
1. I have 4 microwave 1mf 2,000 volt capacitors. Could I not use them in parallel with 2 of the hight voltage diodes from the microwaves to do the same as your schematic or is there a reason to use so many capacitors and must they need to be polarized?
You can use 1micro fared capacitor,Insted of 4 steps use only two steps of voltage multiplier(requires 4 caps), use 4007 two diode in series insted of single to make it workable with higher voltage. go for higher voltage use both 12V transformer to get more voltage. Higher the capacitance(mfd) higher current discharge
2. did you measure the amps (or better watts) consumed at the 220v input to do one explosion?
No, It is transient current difficult to measure
3. how much water is on the sparkplug before explosion?
I use pen cap on the spark plug top it contains 1 CC of water, It takes two blast to through out complete water
Remove resistance from spark plug(If present). I use meco spark plug No internal resistance present in it. Make sure diode sustane high current discharge, some times it gets shorted.

more experiments can be done with
use TYN612 600V 12 Amps SCR in series 3 nos (1800Volts@12Amps) as switch for discharge. Insted of relay, to prevent pre arcking in relay
high frequency ferrite core transformer can be used for fast charging of capacitor

YOU CAN TRY WITH MOSQUITO KILLER BAT, IT WORKS NICE, it takes very less current and gives very high plasma out
Hello and Namaste capacitor70. I am sending you a personal message. Please look for it

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #107 on: June 09, 2008, 04:28:32 AM »
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #108 on: June 09, 2008, 03:58:45 PM »
1. I have 4 microwave 1mf 2,000 volt capacitors....
...remember that they usually have a built in 1megohm resistor across their terminals
 (to stop repair men getting a shock).
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #109 on: June 09, 2008, 04:16:34 PM »
In order to control the intensity of the discharge, would it be better to replace the coil with a hv power supply and just piggyback 110 or maybe even 220 onto that for the output?  The distributor could trigger the hv power supply via relay (across the source 12v).  Sounds like a good route to travel, as the coil is very inconsistent in it's spark output.  I think it would be better to use something more constant.  What do you guys think?

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #110 on: June 09, 2008, 05:06:37 PM »
In order to control the intensity of the discharge, would it be better to replace the coil with a hv power supply and just piggyback 110 or maybe even 220 onto that for the output?  The distributor could trigger the hv power supply via relay (across the source 12v).  Sounds like a good route to travel, as the coil is very inconsistent in it's spark output.  I think it would be better to use something more constant.  What do you guys think?

I think   a combination  of  controling  the amount  of water and the  amount of the  low voltage  current . 
If   you  replace the coil   with a HV power supply  you have to find another way to  time the spark


Think  of the  original  ignition system as   the timing  control circuit



 

There should be  some combination  of   water and  current  that  will  provide  the  right horse power and  temp .   

The  water  would not all need to be   applied the same way .
It  may not  be practical to inject enough  water  at  the spark plug ......     mist  into the  manifold , HHO   or both  could fill the gap 

gary

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #111 on: June 09, 2008, 05:38:07 PM »
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High voltage generation and controled discharge,

Use SCR TYN612M
Do not use triac use SCR TYN612M
All Capacitors  2.2ufd(micro fared) 400 Volts

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #112 on: June 10, 2008, 03:32:34 AM »
I think   a combination  of  controling  the amount  of water and the  amount of the  low voltage  current . 
If   you  replace the coil   with a HV power supply  you have to find another way to  time the spark


Think  of the  original  ignition system as   the timing  control circuit



 

There should be  some combination  of   water and  current  that  will  provide  the  right horse power and  temp .   

The  water  would not all need to be   applied the same way .
It  may not  be practical to inject enough  water  at  the spark plug ......     mist  into the  manifold , HHO   or both  could fill the gap 

gary


You could just replace the spark plugs with triggers to control when the hv fires, it wouldn't be hard to change over.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2008, 05:59:11 AM »
You could just replace the spark plugs with triggers to control when the hv fires, it wouldn't be hard to change over.


yes    but  you  still  will have to get the  spark into the  cylinder  .....  a  spark plug is  simple and  proven  way to  do that .

I do    think that  working on ways to  get  longer  sparks  is a good  idea .......   I am  pretty sure that a wider  spark  gap  translates to more   plasma  once   you  get it  going .



gary



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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #113 on: June 10, 2008, 05:59:11 AM »
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #114 on: June 10, 2008, 07:24:38 AM »
Wow, you guys are all going so well.  I have been working on this for a while-   I have built a basic jacobs ladder via a kit sourced from jaycar here in australia, it powers the ignition coil so all i have to do now is plug in some Low voltage AC (220-240v here in aus), only question is what kind of diodes do i need?  what are you using Super God?

Note:  bigger spark gaps will work great in a bench test however HV low amps doesnt seem to like heat, so once in an engine you may find the breakdown of spark is immense and a smaller gap is required.  If you want some good info on hydrocarbons for supplementing fuel, google search bingofuel.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #115 on: June 10, 2008, 08:47:28 AM »


Note:  bigger spark gaps will work great in a bench test however HV low amps doesnt seem to like heat, so once in an engine you may find the breakdown of spark is immense and a smaller gap is required.  If you want some good info on hydrocarbons for supplementing fuel, google search bingofuel.

I  agree that  it might  work much  different in an engine than it does on a bench ............some  expermenting  will be required  ......

I still think that   the   high  voltage should be used for  timing  control and  plasma  channel  formation .
It seems to me that if  the   arc is to unstable   one way to   fix it would  be to raise  the  low  voltage
A 220 V inverter should not  be to hard to find .......   





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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #116 on: June 10, 2008, 04:37:50 PM »
test,I just wanted a direct connection back to this thread.Triffid

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #117 on: June 10, 2008, 04:46:14 PM »
I  agree that  it might  work much  different in an engine than it does on a bench ............some  expermenting  will be required  ......

I still think that   the   high  voltage should be used for  timing  control and  plasma  channel  formation .
It seems to me that if  the   arc is to unstable   one way to   fix it would  be to raise  the  low  voltage
A 220 V inverter should not  be to hard to find .......   





gary

The hv is still the trigger, the only thing I'm changing is the coil to a power supply so I can control how much voltage gets to the plugs.

The diodes I'm using are 1n4007's in series to block with hv part from going back into the inverter and one 1n4007 to block the 110 from shorting out the coil.

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #118 on: June 10, 2008, 07:34:27 PM »
The hv is still the trigger, the only thing I'm changing is the coil to a power supply so I can control how much voltage gets to the plugs.

The diodes I'm using are 1n4007's in series to block with hv part from going back into the inverter and one 1n4007 to block the 110 from shorting out the coil.


Sorry .........I am starting to  sound  like a broken record .

In my opinion  the  high voltage  from the  ignition  should  be used  for  forming  a plasma  channel and for  timing ......

In  my opinion   if you  decrease  the  high  voltage  you will very  quickly  get an unstable  arc .   

In  my  opinion  the   current  from the  inverter  is  what needs to be controled .
In my  opinion   the  high  voltage   determines  how  wide  the plug gap  can be .
In my opinion   the  current  from the inverter   determines   how  wide the plasma   channel is .
In my opinion   more  current   means more plasma .........more plasma means more  heat . ...... more heat  means  more horse power .
I   am  assuming  that  the  prosess  we are  dealing with is  using  plasma  to flash water into steam .   



In my opinion  I could be wrong about  any of this ............but I  am pretty sure I am right .


gary

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Re: My s1r9a9m9 replication!
« Reply #119 on: June 10, 2008, 07:54:41 PM »
Isn't it cheaper and easier to  control  relatively  low voltage  current than it is  to control  high voltage current?

It seems to me that  lower is  better .   .......  It might  be worth  testing to see if 12 V  is enough voltage to  cross the  plasma channel . 


gary

 

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