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Grumpy

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #225 on: March 20, 2008, 09:47:56 PM »

(battery) (inductance)  (capacitor)  (primary)  (secondary)

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Yes, this is understood.

armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #226 on: March 20, 2008, 10:34:45 PM »
Also standing out on the limb... This will probally need some correcting but have a look.


The genius of this circuit is the gain in from the occilations that are formed simply by turning it off. (Make and break of the circuit controller).
So far this is my understanding of it...

-am1ll3r

What program do you use to create these?

am1ll3r

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #227 on: March 20, 2008, 10:38:44 PM »

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What program do you use to create these?

A program called snagit.

http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp?CMP=KgoogleStmhome

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #228 on: March 21, 2008, 04:36:23 AM »
@am1ll3r

Nice work with the graphics.

You did this with Snagit. Geez must have taken you ages. I use it to grab video images. Pretty snazzy work indeed.

But there are so many graphics that trying to make heads or tales would take some time to see if there are any mistakes, but this would be a major task because you have lots of things going on there. I am not completely fluent enough, well more like confident enough to explain.

Plus guys like @AC or @Erfinder would need so much time to review each graphic that I think it will not be feasible to clarify each one. Just identifying locations on each graphic for each correction, etc., would take a long time.

So don't get mad if there is not much comment because the task is tremendous. The lack of comment has no bearing on the level of appreciation people will have for the actual work you put into this. Good on ya.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #229 on: March 21, 2008, 02:37:55 PM »
This is what I have learned so far working with the parts Erfinder gave us.  The L/R of both inductors is important.  My first L2 (primary)inductor had too small of resistance (2.3 ohms) which gave it too long of charge time.   My relay contacts arced too much so that I would lose a lot of the "self-induced current" back through the battery instead of through L2 and C1. I found that a 23 ohm primary helped everything run better.  My contacts still arc, but not as bad.  I found that Tesla wrote many patents about his circuit controller to try and prevent this loss of "self-induced current".

Bocas

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #230 on: March 21, 2008, 04:07:20 PM »
OK.  I agree.

Do you care to talk about these opposites?

hi grumpy

i do have something to make you think about that pattend

what is G? in the pattend

hummm

kinda looks important.....  in fact i think i have seen that symble .....    many places  no? 

ist

allcanadian

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #231 on: March 21, 2008, 05:00:53 PM »
@all
Here is something interesting ;D, In the picture below is an electricity map borrowed from bill beaty's website. As we can see what we call "static"electricity is just electricity at a high potential---nothing more. But it should be remembered that while all are electricity, each rise in potential changes the properties or qualities of the electricity, how it interacts----or rather the level of interaction.
from erfinder:
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The primary is inductively related to the secondary of the transformer, which should be constructed as Tesla specifies in patent no 512,340 Coils For Electro Magnets, then the secondary becomes a capacitor.

-------Then the secondary become a capacitor  ;D
Tesla stated in his lectures that he saw no difference between his discharges from the secondaries and the discharges from a Vandegraff (static)generator, because there is no difference. If you look up "electrostatic induction" you will find a charged body can charge another body in an opposite sense with NO reduction in charge on the original body. So we can say the primary will charge the secondary in the exact same way as a capacitor is charged, but we have a problem--- the secondaries are one plate of a capacitor so BOTH ends of the secondaries are charged equally---- there is no potential difference between them---- only to "other" things.
The ordinary capacitor has a very special secret you have never heard before ;D that is you can charge a "shorted" capacitor( It's terminals tied together) as ONE plate of a capacitor with no effects on the source of the charging action(for free). You then seperate the capacitor terminals and place it in a circuit so it can discharge itself to a lower potential like --- ground,  through an inductance thus it can perform work or maintain oscillations in a circuit. ;)
This Electricity in our circuits "IS" the same stuff that makes your hair stand on end, we have no need to label it as something else. This high potential is what is required for "electrostatic induction", electrostatic induction will charge any body to high potential for free, charging a body was never the problem--- producing a way to discharge it to perform work was.
Now you know what the secondaries are for ;D
 

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #232 on: March 21, 2008, 05:10:07 PM »
OK.  I agree.

Do you care to talk about these opposites?

hi grumpy

i do have something to make you think about that pattend

what is G? in the pattend

hummm

kinda looks important.....  in fact i think i have seen that symble .....    many places  no? 

ist

Id have to say the motor is pretty important seeing its obviouslly the timing mechanism/and used in his circuits as a source of high inductance.as well the motor  windings are hooked to the primary transmitting coil.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #233 on: March 21, 2008, 05:12:45 PM »
The ordinary capacitor has a very special secret you have never heard before ;D that is you can charge a "shorted" capacitor( It's terminals tied together) as ONE plate of a capacitor with no effects on the source of the charging action(for free). You then seperate the capacitor terminals and place it in a circuit so it can discharge itself to a lower potential like --- ground,
Wooo, wait a minute....
Are you, in other words, saying that
- short a capacitor
- give it a charge (both plates will be equally charged)
- undo the short (both plates still have the same charge)
- Because the plates are equally charged, the charges will repell, trying to get away from the plates
- Connect one terminal, through a circuit, to ground and a current will flow

edit: I wonder if undoing the short is needed...

allcanadian

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #234 on: March 21, 2008, 05:39:38 PM »
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Charge both sides of a capacitor equally with the same potential at the same time, then disconnect one side of the cap and discharge it to ground, you now have one plate of the cap charged and one discharged  (a potential difference). Connect the "charged" cap back in a circuit and discharge it to perform work. If BOTH plates of the capacitor are charged together it is One plate of a capacitor, there is no current flow persay, we are talking about Electrostatic induction.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #235 on: March 21, 2008, 05:58:00 PM »
But, but, but, but geez I'm stutering.

If you put a shorted cap across a battery, are'nt you shorting the battery also and this in itself would waste much more battery power then what has charged the cap?

Now, I am so confused.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #236 on: March 21, 2008, 06:50:16 PM »
The ordinary capacitor has a very special secret you have never heard before ;D that is you can charge a "shorted" capacitor( It's terminals tied together) as ONE plate of a capacitor with no effects on the source of the charging action(for free).

Not for free. You did have to bring the source close enough to the shorted wires. That takes work. The capacitor itself has two plates separated by a dielectric and you're trying to force like charges onto both plates. Like charges repel each other, so you will be doing work pushing the equal charge on both plates. Using the spring analogy, you're compressing two springs together.

You then seperate the capacitor terminals and place it in a circuit so it can discharge itself to a lower potential like --- ground,  through an inductance thus it can perform work or maintain oscillations in a circuit. ;)

You unlatch one of the springs and it goes 'sproing'. The work you're getting out is half the work you put in when you compressed it (i.e. charged it.) You'll get the other half out when you unlatch the other spring. For the analogy to apply, each spring has to have a separate latch.

I could be out to lunch since I'm coming into topic in the middle. Someone just asked me to look at you're posting because they didn't fully understand it and vaguely thought it might be useful for my own work.
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allcanadian

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #237 on: March 21, 2008, 08:24:14 PM »
@wattsup
Not across the source battery --across the terminals of the secondaries N in teslas patent.

@Steven Dufresne
If I rub a red balloon in my hair and bring this charged red balloon near another blue balloon then this blue balloon will be charged in an opposite sense to the red one-- electrostatic induction.
The red balloon is then attracted to the blue balloon as they have opposite charges.
In patent 568177 the primary M charges the secondaries N, this is through HV/HF current--- we could say the higher the frequency of this current the more it would resemble DC as the alternations are closer together. This DC just so happens to change polarity, it alternates, I wonder what might happen if as the the primary M potential started to rise and peak the secondary was disconnected? In this case we could say the secondaries M as they are connected with a shorted capacitor would be charged as a whole representing one plate of a capacitor as a whole, the primary N is the other plate. We are speaking of electrostatic induction like the balloons, we are not trying to seperate the capacitor nor the balloons so there can be no work involved. The capacitor and secondaries are now charged equally as one capacitor plate would be, we disconnect one wire from the secondaries connected to the capacitor, unshort  the capacitor and we now have two equally charged charged bodies--- a capacitor with high potential on both plates(is it charged or discharged?) and the secondaries. If we ground one plate of the capacitor we are discharging a charged body not unlike any other charged object but this action must produce a potential difference across the capacitor, we have charged the capacitor by discharging it ---one plate.Once you have a charged capacitor it should be obvious what we should do with it.

The primaries are one charged plate-- the secondaries the other.
The capacitor on the secondaries is one charged plate-- the secondaries the other.
The capacitor has one charged plate and one discharged

It is a capacitor within a capacitor within a capacitor, we disconnect to divide, we divide and discharge to have energy reproduce itself. Reproduction through division Im sure I have heard that somwhere before. :) Remember we are not speaking of electric currents we are speaking of charged bodies, only when charged bodies are discharged does the electric current manifest itself.


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #238 on: March 21, 2008, 09:08:48 PM »
@ allcanadian

Do you use a apark-gap like Tesla did it in some of his projects ?

In "A pratical guido to "Free Energy" Devices" they mention, that the key to OU is a disruptive discharge...

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D3.pdf


In the link in this quote  there is  a  Ed Grey  power tube   the diagram is on   page 6.

The  diagram  shows   a carbon  section   in the  electrode .   
Can  someone  explain to me the  function  of this   carbon  piece

Thanks 

gary

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #239 on: March 21, 2008, 09:37:47 PM »
@marcel
Charge both sides of a capacitor equally with the same potential at the same time, then disconnect one side of the cap and discharge it to ground, you now have one plate of the cap charged and one discharged  (a potential difference). Connect the "charged" cap back in a circuit and discharge it to perform work. If BOTH plates of the capacitor are charged together it is One plate of a capacitor, there is no current flow persay, we are talking about Electrostatic induction.

An interesting idea, but unfortunately in the world of physics it does not work like this. both sides of a capacitor are trying to neutralize with one another, if you were to connect one side to ground, it would not discharge into it, rather it would stay the same. Try it for yourself, think about the physics of a capacitor, and why this would be so.

Your line of thought in this area is flawed, what you are inducing in other objects through electrostatic induction is a polarity, that once brought out of the field will neutralize itself.