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wattsup

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #210 on: March 19, 2008, 02:36:24 AM »
@Guys

Well it seems Erfinder just split from the board and he says its for good.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4299.msg83602.html#msg83602

He had put up a real great photo of a system (I think Hendershot) showing two dual high inductance coils going to two toroid type coils, two sets of caps. Shit, I should have saved the image. Now it's gone and so is he.

Man, I am so tired of people just taking off and for what? I can't figure out why.

I wonder if Tesla had "taken off" every time someone rubbed him the wrong way, were would we be today. The irony of this is that on that same thread I had said Erfinder was right. Tesla is the way. But I guess to teach Tesla and survive, one has to be very well grounded to not get overshot by all the human flyback.

This is getting to be a sad day indeed.

Added:

For what it's worth, my EC project is going great. My second relay is now clicking and clicking. Now to optimize and use it. hehe
« Last Edit: March 19, 2008, 03:24:58 AM by wattsup »


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #212 on: March 19, 2008, 07:56:25 AM »
@Erfinder

"Friends I am tired of people saying things that make absolutely no sense!"


Just a word of advice-  or life lesson in the making have it as you wish.
 

--  Human Stupidity is infinite and as you grow older in life you just see more of it, the difference is taking the time to interact with those that have the potential or else your doing yourself the disadvantage. No one person has all the answers there are too many variables to equate, yet when they work together many points of view can be seen combined and solidified.

So to in response to your statement, trust me man were all tired of stupid shit but do you think the folks saying those things are doing it with male intent.  I think not , there are many places in life no matter which one a person falls in, they have a talent or gift to share whether developed or not, dont discount anyone because they make a few comments that seem ignorant to you.

 I could go on but what do you think of Velcro shoes? pretty stylish in this day in age.. ehh well it happens one of the smartest electronics engineers ive ever met wears them daily .  No tennis shoe or anything normal weird freaking Velcro.  People aren't always as they seem so be it beneficial to not judge them as such.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #213 on: March 19, 2008, 08:22:32 AM »
The posts on the backemf are in conflict with each other. after reviewing what I saw from erfinder post link, i'm starting to believe that method is correct and not the above link posted by nightlife. sorry, this is conventional theory, i'm starting to see flaws in it. I can't decide which is right.

@erfinder, you mention passion and that you have only met one person with the same amount of passion. I state to you now, that there are many of us that eat, drink, smoke and dream of this stuff 24-7,365 for more then 30 years. we are possessed. The brain never stops. devotion to electronics and electrical like my friends and myself is never ending, this devotion comes from deep within. This breed of technician builds anything and everything with no hesitation of cost or time and with whatever is at hand. if it interests them, they will build it.

Thus, you can't put all your capacitors, resistors and coils all in one bundle and expect them to get it or making it work. they might or might not get lucky, and you can bet that someone will always disagree or agree to disagree, but this is the point of learning. this is how we learn. we communicate. oh, and i might mention that your communicating with less then 10% of the population of visitors on this site, that means 90% or so that your not taking into account and are roaming and reading but not interacting. this also means that a very few are actually building and doing experiments and sharing. so be happy, since your making the other >90% happy!!! LOL -->> that means only less then 2% or so are going to disagree with you and make your life miserable.

so to answer your questions:  and perhaps answer some of mine.

->? would love to share my findings, as I have found many many things, but who cares if theres no device attached to the text. -->> "pictures are worth a thousand words, text description of working device is worth more", thus i do care, but you have to be as clear as possible in your definitions, look at Tesla's definitions, very clear and precise.

->Tesla converted alternating currents into impulse currents. -->>This is a new term for me, what is impulse currents. is this a Tesla longitudinal compression wave? switched dc or something else?

->In Tesla's mechanical circuits you can have AC, DC, and impulse currents all operating in the same conductor!!! -->>Yes, but is this the secret or has it to do more with timing when these different events will occur?   

-> you say that self induced currents are a source of power, ok, I agree on this but i require a little bit more input please, or direct us via links, leaving us hang in the wind is rude.

OK, well thats about it. I could suggest one other thing. rather then leave, create another profile and use it. no one will know who you are. stick around and have some fun.

Thanks and Good Luck!


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #214 on: March 19, 2008, 04:24:33 PM »

SELF-INDUCED CURRENTS ARE A SOURCE OF POWER!!!


This is the most important quote, the most important truth, that any of you will read in this decade - perhaps even in your entire life.

In Tesla's mechanical circuits you can have AC, DC, and impulse currents all operating in the same conductor!!!

Yes, and there properties are very different.



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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #215 on: March 19, 2008, 05:45:09 PM »
@grumpy
nice post as usual :)
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In Tesla's mechanical circuits you can have AC, DC, and impulse currents all operating in the same conductor!!!
It is hard to argue with this statement because all of this happens in teslas patent 568177, I have built teslas patent and measured all of these currents in action in a single length of conductor.
Some of you may have realized that when erfinder said---
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Who ever says Tesla abandoned alternating currents is IGNORANT!!!
, he was probably refering to myself as I made this statement in an earlier post to localjoe. I know I should have clarified this statement, what I meant was that I think tesla did abondon low frequency (60Hz) AC because of the limitations of low frequency currents. I have based this belief on measured results from machines I have built and tested and the fact that tesla was producing new patents that utilized his "method of conversion"and HF/HV rather than his conventional low frequency AC machines.
I think many of you here are getting very close to understanding how this circuit works, everyone including myself are learning new things every day. I think we should stay focused and stay on topic if we are going to keep moving forward.

armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #216 on: March 20, 2008, 02:41:26 AM »
Been on vecation for a few days, cought some rays, some green beer, all in all a good time! I see people have been buisy, and a bit of progress has been made also! I also see some nice circuits that are brilliant in and of themselves, but what I havent seen is a working model (thoretically speeking) of the circuit on which the thread is based!

I would be most impressed if someone would stand on a limb, and walk through the basic opperation of the circuit in more than one cycle, point out where the different features can be found (types of current, "BEMF" oscillatory frequencies with respect to other parts, etc.......).


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #217 on: March 20, 2008, 05:21:55 AM »
I'll stand on the limb....

Below is a modified version of my circuit that appears to be working properly.  I would link to the videos, but You Tube has been updating all night, and I can't upload.

Anyway, my theory:

The "choke coils" in my diagram are my Cooks Coils primaries (small wires) and coupled with the coil in the relay provide my areas of high self-inductance.  I believe if I ran my source voltage through my Cook Coil "secondaries" I would have enough "self inductance" in the primaries to destroy every component in my circuit, and melt some stuff....

The circuit is basically 12v DC through the entire circuit (initially).  Once the current makes its way around to the "NC" side of the relay, it has charged both sides of the 47uf cap with full 12v load, full potential of all the self-inductance coils.

As soon as the relay powers on, and the switch moves to "NO" the circuit breaks, and causes a "pulse / kick" from the BEMF to flow through the entire circuit and radiate out through the "0-Turn primary" (and the Cook coils, and the battery).  Since both sides of the cap are connected through the "0-Turn primary", it allows the cap to discharge in an oscillatory manner - as discharging caps will do.  This oscillation too is discharged through all parts of the circuit.  Since we have an area of high self-inductance, and the BEMF is now the dominate force in the circuit, it causes the coils to allow the "resistive force" to flow into the circuit, since EMF is not dominating.  This too flows through the entire circuit, including the cap and "0-Turn primary".  At the speed at which all of this is happening is almost simultaneous, I believe the cap and "0-Turn primary" are receiving a "charge" - which we perceive as the BEMF "kick".  This too probably causes another oscillating discharge of the cap.

Since the "0-turn primary" is the main reason for our entire circuit, it is continually receiving an onslaught of charges to inductively pass through to the secondary.  Although it has little to no "self-induction" it is receiving a continual barrage of varying currents.  From 12V source, to BEMF radiant kicks, to oscillating discharges of the cap.  Now as all these currents are induced into the 24-Turn secondary, it too is undergoing it's own cycles of charges and discharges due to the 4700uf caps in the working circuit.  Even in the original patent, the discharging plates will act like an air-core cap.  This will cause the working circuit to experience it's own oscillations, BEMF kicks, and oscillatory discharges, completely separate from the inductive circuit and main voltage.  On top of all of this, the inductive nature of the transformer (M / N in the patent) is raising the potential in the working circuit with every form of induction.

About this time the relay causes the "NC" switch to re-close, and the cycle begins again.  In my real-world circuit, the relay squeals - akin to a vibration, there are no clicks - it oscillates WAAAAY to fast.  Only through heavier resistance can I slow the squeals and vibrations to clicks  The speed at which the source voltage is pulsing through the circuit is unmeasurable.  Likewise, the current in the working circuit across the 4700uf caps is indeterminable weather it is in the process of charging or discharging.  It is just continual electrical flow. 

So, once the circuit is running, at any given point in the circuit, at any given time, the circuit is AC, DC and pulsed, from source, BEMF and inductance.  Interestingly my meter will read with only on lead attached as two leads across the working circuit will discharge it.

Anyway, it is late, and I may not have explained it very clearly, and I may be wrong, but that is how I see it at present.  Also, as a side note, when I say "current" or "voltage" I don't mean necessarily amps or volts int he "traditional" sense - I mean basically electrical flow.


EDIT:  I forgot to add, this is more akin to 568,176 then 568,177, but the principles are basically the same - including my "0-Turn primary".

armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #218 on: March 20, 2008, 08:01:07 AM »
Thanks for putting yourself out there, hopefully more will follow suit, and a conversation will ensue.

One suggestion, draw out the basic operation of the patent, then recheck your setup, I think you will notice something amiss.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #219 on: March 20, 2008, 12:59:33 PM »
@armagdn03

Will do.  One thing that has bothered me is not getting a difference of potential across the cap.  I am not getting measurable results with the circuit below, but I do feel it is more inline with the 568177 patent.  Maybe therein will lie my answers....

EDIT:  Let me try that circuit again - I am a little more awake now and realize that wasn't the correct one.  This one is not much better, as I am still not getting measurable results, but I feel this one is a close approximation of 568177.  I still may be missing something, but...well...that wouldn't be a first...
« Last Edit: March 20, 2008, 01:49:30 PM by Maximumgravity1 »

am1ll3r

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #220 on: March 20, 2008, 02:13:42 PM »
Try moving your choke coil like this...

Grumpy

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #221 on: March 20, 2008, 06:24:43 PM »
Just as every cause has an effect, you have to look at Tesla's circuits as a whole - both ends at the same time.

If you have compression - you have expansion.

In this image, the transmiter and reciever make up the circuit - they are not separate.  When compression occurs at the transmitter, expansion must occur at the receiver - simultaniously.

I added some of Walter Russel's images to help visualize this.

Notice the lower image in the center - these forces can be unbalanced - what does this mean in the physical world?

EDIT: So, how does circuit of "Erfinder's Challenge" work when looking at it from both ends?

EDIT: anyone dobting the existence of these two forces can consult the works of Francis Nipher and Henry Wheatstone who both proved it.  Nipher went on to show that the two are not different things but are opposites of the same.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #222 on: March 20, 2008, 07:07:07 PM »
OK.  I agree.

Do you care to talk about these opposites?

Grumpy

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #223 on: March 20, 2008, 07:34:45 PM »
The silence is almost unbearable...LOL!

Come on Erfinder! 

Can we connect compression/expansion together with self-induced currents?


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #224 on: March 20, 2008, 08:04:50 PM »
Also standing out on the limb... This will probally need some correcting but have a look.

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The genius of this circuit is the gain in from the occilations that are formed simply by turning it off. (Make and break of the circuit controller).
So far this is my understanding of it...

-am1ll3r