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Offline am1ll3r

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2008, 05:08:00 AM »
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In fact in at least one of Teslas patents Tesla states that if the voltage of the source is not high enough, the properties of a choking coil may be taken advantage of. Wish i could name the patent off the top of my head, guess I better read them more Wink

The circuit including the motor is of relatively high self-induction, and this property is imparted to it by the coils of the motor, or when these are not sufficient, by the addition of suitable choking-coils, so that at each break of the motor-circuit a current of high electromotive force will be developed for charging the condenser, which may therefore be small and inexpensive.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2008, 05:08:00 AM »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2008, 05:25:33 AM »
@am1ll3r

Thanks, but i knew the answer to my own question. At least you were cordial so thanks. I just wanted to see if armagdn03  would see the similarity and difference from his previous vid and discuss it.


Instead i got
 "The best advice I can give any person pondering the mysteries of...............whatever, would be,     Understand the physical aspects (physics, kinematics, etc.) of the components and interaction with other components.  A complete understanding of interactions, physical properties, etc, will answer all of your questions, Why ask questions, when the most qualified person to ask is yourself?"

@armagdn03 
There is this thing in life that humans do, they gather here and discuss topics of interest for a common good.  Now if you want to leave those kind of answers .. spare me the time man i'm not stupid, you could use one of these answers.. Hey im busy maybe some other time...  I'm too caught up in what I'm doing right now.....  I don't want to discuss this with you..... any of those things seems to be a bit more to the point than what you left.  Thanks for repeating yourself and IS. I have read the bio many of times and however clever it was a bit insulting .
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2008, 05:35:31 AM »
@Localjoe

I like your circuit set-up. Your 300uf cap maybe be the reason the relay is going very slow. Try under 100uf like we are doing here.

@AC

Thanks so much for your post and yes, you just confused the issue. Serious. Don't know were to start rambling on about this. Holly crap. What a post. So relevant.

Also, I'm puzzled, please see on your post the second figure diode seems to be in backwards given the direction of flow. I could be wrong but in wikipedia the diode current is shown going the other way.

@armagdn03

You're right but you are describing the ultimate goal. It's like saying why can't you just think about playing Mozart enough to just sit down and play it. The ideal is great but unfortunately, we're only human. Yes, creations must come from inspiration, but such can only happen when one has integrated all the knowledge, but part of that knowledge can only be attained by practice. Like I said, we're only human. I can't believe Tesla did not practice. And don't forget that Tesla had a mental disorder (or hyper order) that gave him the ability to see his creations as if they were real working devices. This had plagued him and anointed him, all his life.

Geez sometimes these threads move fast. Just saw @am1ll3r post. Well, redundancy never hurt anyone.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2008, 05:35:31 AM »
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Offline armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2008, 06:12:14 AM »
@am1ll3r

Thanks, but i knew the answer to my own question. At least you were cordial so thanks. I just wanted to see if armagdn03  would see the similarity and difference from his previous vid and discuss it.


Instead i got
 "The best advice I can give any person pondering the mysteries of...............whatever, would be,     Understand the physical aspects (physics, kinematics, etc.) of the components and interaction with other components.  A complete understanding of interactions, physical properties, etc, will answer all of your questions, Why ask questions, when the most qualified person to ask is yourself?"

@armagdn03 
There is this thing in life that humans do, they gather here and discuss topics of interest for a common good.  Now if you want to leave those kind of answers .. spare me the time man i'm not stupid, you could use one of these answers.. Hey im busy maybe some other time...  I'm too caught up in what I'm doing right now.....  I don't want to discuss this with you..... any of those things seems to be a bit more to the point than what you left.  Thanks for repeating yourself and IS. I have read the bio many of times and however clever it was a bit insulting .
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Never claimed you were stupid my friend, I am hardly here to play games.

You posed a question, I answered. Take it or leave it.

I have known and know people who could have given me the answer, and Looking back, I would have considered it, looked it up, googled it, etc.......and I would have moved on to the next thing that caught my attention. And would I have gained ground? a bit perhaps, but not only would I have not understood what was given to me, I would have taken for granted the little I learned.

A small nudge in the right direction can be inspiring. I am no better than you nor anybody else, what I realize is the joy of Figuring out something for myself!

If you do not wish to discuss, please do not leave messages requesting my answer.

@ all

Im not talking about "a mental disorder" or anything of the like! I am simply saying, if you dont understand it, think about it! long and hard, look things up, develop your own ideas, look to yourself, nobody will answer your questions better than you can, Im not saying anybody here is right or wrong, im just asking you to think about YOUR world!

I wish you all the best.

Offline Localjoe

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2008, 06:15:25 AM »
@Wattsup

Thanks, The cap has no visible effect on the circuit,It wasn't added till later with the diode in an effort to capture some of that little blue spark  :). Thats why i thought it to be a little different.  Gotta keep playing with it tho and get a better brush or contact so i don't have to hold the thing. It sound like it wants to wind up.
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2008, 06:15:25 AM »
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2008, 07:33:44 AM »
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Also, I'm puzzled, please see on your post the second figure diode seems to be in backwards given the direction of flow. I could be wrong but in wikipedia the diode current is shown going the other way.

If you look at the circuit "current" flow in my last post you can see if the diode was reversed all current would flow around the inductor --- a short circuit. The diode direction depends on the circuit and whether the inductor is allowed to "collapse" and reverse polarity or just act as a flywheel as in step-up buck boosters.
Here is the best site I have seen on buck-boosters or DC/DC converters, go to flyback converters near the end---- very cool.
http://www.powerdesigners.com/InfoWeb/design_center/articles/DC-DC/converter.shtm

I have attached a picture of localjoe's circuit, notice it is a boost converter step-up converter, with a low inductance coil (L2) in the switch leg, which is well....... very cool.  :)

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2008, 06:30:57 PM »
@armagdn03

Fair enough . Just wanted to make sure you weren't toying with me.

@AllCanadian

Thanks for the real circuit drawing  :) .
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« Last Edit: February 16, 2008, 06:52:29 PM by Localjoe »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2008, 06:44:36 PM »
@Localjoe

allcanadian is the one who put up that circuit.


@AC

Here's what I am trying to explain about the diode being backwards in the circuits. I pulled these gifs off of wiki. It shows current can only enter from the triangle side, pass the straight line and cannot come back. This is why I am so confused about those two circuits. Is wiki wrong (would not be the first time) on something so obvious.


Offline Charlie_V

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #83 on: February 17, 2008, 05:18:43 AM »
@wattsup,

The way wikipedia has drawn it is correct.  Current (which is conventionally drawn flowing positive to negative) will go in the direction that the diode arrow makes, the bar means that it cannot flow back the other way.  In the circuit, the battery will charge the capacitor until it reaches a point where it arcs (atleast it seems like the break in the top portion of the circuit is a spark gap).  Which will then allow current to flow from the battery into L2.  However, this circuit doesn't seem to allow the capacitor to discharge?

@AllCanadian,

I'm going to be conducting Tesla's power transfer experiment for one of my directed studies.  Since you've been experimenting with Tesla stuff, I wanted to ask you some questions.  One, do you know why he matches mass weight between his primary and secondary coils?  He says its for best results but never mentions why it gives best results, have you figured this out?  What frequencies do you use?  In Colorado Tesla used 90-400kHz, is this the range your using or is it lower/higher?  Are you reducing the internal capacitance of your coils? (aka are you using single layer coils with widely spaced windings so that the capacitance between the wires is as small as possible?)  Tesla mentions that a coil with high inductance and low internal capacitance will be able to freely oscillate for longer periods of time.  And lastly, have you tried the "extra coil" yet?  Apparently, since the coil is away from the inductive coupling of the primary, it doesn't get damped and can really resonate for a long period of time.  Tesla said that when he used his "extra coil" he only used the secondary as a normal step-up transformer (acting on only the turns ratio) where as the extra coil was used for the resonant rise magnification.  The thing that confuses me is that I think he was still making sure that the secondary was a quarter wavelength of the frequency.  Since the extra coil was also a quarter wavelength, this means there's 1/2 wavelength in the secondary circuit and the standing wave anti-nodes will be all messed up.  Have you figured this part out yet?

Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: The Tesla Project
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #84 on: February 17, 2008, 07:13:53 AM »
@Charlie_V

Sorry if I was not clear but the circuit diagram I am referring to is on this thread but on previous page here.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3972.msg77183.html#msg77183

For the mass matching, we had covered this with Erfinders first circuit where there were two primaries with their total mass equal to the total mass of the four secondaries. It has to do with the total electrons being moved from one to the other so one produces just enough for the other to handle, not more, no less, making it a perfect tunable pair. There is also a question of timing or frequency matching using Tesla speed of electricity calculations. But others here will have a better explanation I am sure.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #85 on: February 17, 2008, 09:14:58 AM »
@ wattsup
You are correct, the diode will conduct current (+) with the arrow of the diode pointing in the direction of the current----- it will also allow electron flow( - ) to travel in the opposite direction against the arrow--- there are always two flows, electron flow and current flow. It should be known however that electron flow is the "cause" of current flow, if no electrons move there can be no current which should raise questions as to what "electric current" really is. I believe Walter Russell left us a clue---
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"All things are one, but made to appear as two extensions of the centered one"
In our project we have current entering a high inductance, the current is transformed into high potential (voltage) by a rapid collapse of the magnetic field---- a large potential difference(voltage) is generated which means there are many electrons in one area (-) and very few in another(+). My point in all of this was to show that we have to get past our preoccupation with only "current" flow and consider the electric fields as well ie.. electrons.

@Charlie_V
Anything I can tell you I got from reading Tesla's literature, Tesla's "Colorado Springs Notes" would explain more than I ever could. In regards to Tesla's "extra coil", it is not well known but this may have been a resonant coil, I mean mechanically resonant. Both ends would be attached firmly and the coil itself would vibrate mechanically and electrically, the resonant relationship between the two is unknown. I got this information from a website which I never bookmarked so I have no idea where to find it. The prospect of mechanical resonance certainly adds another dimension to his apparatus, If the space between the windings was varied we could also consider this space a variable capacitance as well  ;)

P.S.--- the "spark gap" in the circuit I posted is a poor rendition of a switch  :D
« Last Edit: February 17, 2008, 10:34:32 AM by allcanadian »

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Offline Charlie_V

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #86 on: February 18, 2008, 04:12:58 AM »
The equal amount of electrons makes sense for the mass equality.  I wonder how much more of an improvement it makes in the system?  Have you guys tested this by making a primary/secondary thats mass matched and one that isn't? 

Now about the extra coil, although the extra coil may have been mechanically oscillating, in his Colorado Spring notes he only ever mentions electrical oscillation.  Since he gives dimensions and period/frequency of the electrical signal, the length of his extra coil always matches 1/4 wavelength of whatever his electrical frequency is (I did the calculations for all the extra coils).  But adding a mechanical oscillation to the system would be pretty neat. 

When he winds the coils, any of them on the secondary side, he winds them with about 1 inch between windings and 2-3 inches for the last 5 or so.  He's doing this because if you wound them like a regular transformer (packed tightly) each winding would be very close to the next and when energized would be storing a portion of the energy as charge like a capacitor - aka the distributed capacitance of the coil.  He says he doesn't want this - calling it evil - because the more energy stored as charge in the coil, the less energy is allowed to bounce between its terminals.

In one of the experiments he notices that the bottom connection of the secondary coil is arcing over the lighting arrestors to ground.  He finds that a water pipe (actually he had the whole system grounded to the water line) has a standing wave generated upon it.  He takes a coil he had on hand (one that was tightly wound, the windings packed together) and attaches it to the water pipe, 500 feet from the transmitter, and is able to get a 1 inch spark from the top of the coil.  Although the coil was a 1/4 wavelength (which I calculated from the length he gave) of the frequency in the main oscillator, the self capacitance of the coil was way to large and it gave a very crappy resonant rise.  Later on he repeats the experiment with a better coil, after attaching the "new coil" as he calls it,  to the metal water pipe 500 feet away, he can get a spark of about 5 inches from the top of the coil, the resonant rise greatly increased. 

The extra coil, he discovered, greatly improved the resonant rise because it was not magnetically coupled to the primary.  Apparently, the primary acts to dampen the electrical resonance of the secondary - this is just what he says, I've never tested to see.  When you have an extra coil in place, the extra coil is far away from the primary, does not share in the mutual flux, and can "freely oscillate", meaning the damping factor in the electrical oscillation is very low.  AllCanadian, your oscilloscope pictures in the beginning of this forum show the resonant oscillation he was talking about.  You can see the dampening effect, the less capacitance you can make in your secondary coil, the longer it should oscillate before it dies down. 

What is the frequency you are using in your setup?  This is the equation Tesla uses to determine his frequency (Atleast this is what he used in his notes):

T = (2Ï€/10?)*(L*C)^0.5

Where T is the period (in seconds), L is the inductance (in henries) , and C is the capacitance (in farads).  The frequency will be 1/T.  Its very clear that when he began his Colorado experiments he was trying to do something very different than what he ends up doing in the end.  I think he was trying to break down the air between the ionosphere and his transmitter in the beginning - his first patents describe this I think.  Then he discovered you can create ground currents and he switched directions of his research.  Imagine using one wire as both the positive and return - no loop as in conventional circuits.  Its all possible with standing waves, atleast that's what I will attempt to reprove. 

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #87 on: February 18, 2008, 05:28:37 AM »
@c Charlie_V

Thank you for your insightful and well written post! some things to think about. I am begining to go back through the springs notes and take note of his math, seems you are going down this road as we speak.

@all

I don't really recall Tesla using the word "electron" perhaps we should leave it out of our vocab for consistency. We need not talk about the water in waves to talk about the energy carried.

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« Reply #88 on: February 18, 2008, 05:35:00 AM »
@AC

Thanks for your explain. I am still iffy jiffy but hey, that's what a thick skull is for. lol

@Charlie_V

"Called it evil" - Roberto and Otto should read this as it  has bearing on the TPU 10 and even the ECD.

Regarding the formula, could you run an example calculation to show how to use this formula, so there are no misunderstandings.

Also, great post.

@all

OK here is the EC Trial #3, as far as I can best estimate, is how the primary side will work. Using a variety of caps with this scheme both on the primary and secondary side, the secondary output while running a 12 vdc bulb would light off the secondary and the voltage would hold steady at around 17 vdc. I did some 10 seconds starts-up without a load and voltages ranged from 34 to 81 vdc. Shit. All this is done and I'm only using some mA off the battery, and the battery when not used keeps going back up to around 12.6. I never recharged the battery through all my tests, I started at 12.8 and now I'm at 12.6.

Now for the secondary side relay...............

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #89 on: February 18, 2008, 10:07:08 AM »
@armagdn03
I agree, I have regrets I even mentioned the "e" word, it has no place here.

 

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