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Author Topic: The Tesla Project  (Read 234041 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #390 on: October 07, 2008, 05:37:01 AM »
I'm having a problem uploading an attachment of a circuit and have tried to describe this circuit in a thread on electrinium to resonanceman.  So I'm gonna try it again here. 

 @Armegedon:  looks good.

  My idea was to set up an Lc network but use a Tesla cap/coil in series on each leg between the inductor and the main cap.  As the main circuit oscillates these thrucurrrent capacitors should alternately charge and discharge without effecting the oscillator.  The electrostatic field produced between these two caps would be interesting to monitor.  Bonus energy? I was going to use a small motor as the inductor in this circuit. 

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #391 on: October 08, 2008, 03:13:38 AM »
The first two pages of the talk are up...

Thank you armagdn03 for putting effort on this presentations and to Erfinder for hosting them.

armagdn03, I was watching these commonly known facts and reading your comments and I have to say you have the gift of highlighting simple things that escape to our interpretation.
And if you allow me, I'll try to make a small correction and I hope to take it as an interchange.
In your presentation you said:

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This means that while one is at max, the other is at min and vice versa.
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These could easily be labeled Voltage and Amperage, noting that while one is at min, the other is at max.

I'm sure you didn't meant exactly that but rather "when one is at its apex the other is at zero".
I attach here a snip from that picture taken from www.allaboutcircuits.com for reference. I would say that this particular little mistake made me reflect. It is at the apex of one wave when we have to notice the seed of the other. While one is "decaying" the other is "growing" and so forth.

I can't wait for your next material. Thus far I found your presentation very inspirational.

Regards.

Offline armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #392 on: October 08, 2008, 09:32:20 PM »
Keey eye, im glad people are paying attention.

Actually i mean exactly what I wrote. Max = apex, min = zero. if you would rather apply those words then do so.

f you were to view min as the negative apex at the other half of the cycle, then my statement would be incorrect. But the negative half of the cycle is really just a reversed copy of the first and its peak is another max,  and the same rules apply.
Try to equate it to something more familiar, thats why I told of the pendulum.

When it is on the up swing and changing direction, it stops for a fraction, at its higest point, or its max of potential, then as it hits dead center, its moving its fastest, or max kinetic, then the cycle happens again in reverse as it swings back up to its high potential position on the opposite side.

for further understading it is important to realise that the conditions all revolve around zero, and zero is min.

You can post here if you like, but i have also set up a new thread specifically for this in the tesla tech part of the forum, ill put up a link, but its easy to find

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #393 on: October 09, 2008, 04:42:40 PM »
@armagdn03

I would like to also thank you for your great web page and three videos. Very well explained and demonstrated effects of how resonance will modify or "vary" the resitance hence the energy flow through a circuit. This is giving me some great new avenues to explore and experiment.

As these demos have used an AC sine wave, do you think the same effect is possible with straight dc pulsing, or would there be required some type of DC sweep up and sweep down pulsing to create a similiar effet as the max-0-max, or does it absolutely require a DC sweep pulse/sweep reverse polarity pulse, etc.

In essence, if you have a signal generator that can switch between two pre-set sine wave frequencies
that are each a resonance of two different valued coil/capacitor pairs, your demonstration could be doubled in its effect. With three it could be tripled. Hmmmm.

Your method of explaining is both comprehensive and attainable and I would put this as a prerequisite to anyone potantial OUer. Thanks again and hope to one day see a page two.

Offline armagdn03

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #394 on: October 09, 2008, 06:09:04 PM »
The next episode will contain DC pulsing. Here is a hint DC pulsing works just the same except with harmonics.

Also dont try to double this effect, don't heterodyne etc, don't worry about any of that, MAYBE it could be done, but its not worth your time at this point. maybe try to build a motor off of it?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #395 on: October 30, 2008, 02:47:53 AM »
This is what Tesla describes when he states a 25,000 fold increase in the energy stored in his bifilar coil/capacitor.

I have read that patent, and in thinking the old way, that a coil need several layers to be "useful" ... I know this is probably not true when this type of coil-winding is used, but IF one want to wind a coil using this method and wire it multilayered, how should that be done without reducing the energy storage capacity?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #396 on: October 30, 2008, 02:58:09 AM »
@All
... When the capacitor C2 has equalized its charge on both plates the DPDT relay switches over and the high potential on C2 charges the battery (B2) again
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AC

I cant see how the relay is operated in the schematics. Is there a electrostatically operated? Ie the relay-switches free-floating and switched over by the difference of electrostatic charge on the relay-contacts?
If so, it seems like a interesting way. Probably something not that is easy to do in a circuit simluator I guess.
Btw. Is exprimenting using circuit-simlation useful for this type of electronics?
Is it possible to obtain such simulator-examples to expriment with?
I think that would be a great way to all of us to be given readmade fully working virtual "proof-of-concept" machine(s), at no cost. And we have as a group the ability to test using exactly the same setup. No need to get building errors or different results due to different equipment etc. You can then test for things like exotic vaules without having to spend money and time finding them.

Regards Johnnyfg

Offline wattsup

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #397 on: November 05, 2008, 04:10:54 PM »
Well, I will have to find a metal shop to build a winding jig to wind my 3 lb coil since I have found nothing useful to use in my home. While that is being made, I have been mulling over an idea for another build I will do as follows.

Since @armangdn03 has been showing us resonant LC using capacitor and coil, I have been thinking that the same thing could be made with a bifilar coil to replace the capacitor. Putting this on a toroid core and adding two output coils should be interesting to see what happens when the bifilar coil and the standard coil are fed a frequency to reach resonance, what will be the output of the two output coils.

I have made a diagram below.

Any ideas to add to this would be appreciated. I know the A and B wires coming from the LC may have to be crossed to keep the directionality on the toroid.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #398 on: November 06, 2008, 08:44:36 PM »
The next installment has been made on erfinders site www.forgotten-genius.com

@wattsup

Any use of the energy off of your output coils will depleat the resonant rise of your bifilar driving coil. This is why I say you cannot just "tap" into this energy in conventional ways.  Also, there is no need for a seperate coil to add to your "cap" since the bifilar is made to have both inductance and capacitance you only need it to resonate.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #399 on: November 09, 2008, 08:28:50 PM »
@armagdn03

Thanks for your comment. I will consider this when making this build. I have a nice 4" #26 ferrite core that will be just perfect for this experiment.

@all

While is was working on the above design, I got to thinking about something that I think not many have looked into, even doing a Google search, so I made a diagram of the idea and attached it below again as open source.

The basic idea is that when considering testing with the Ozone patent components, the transformers that I am using are the standard type with straight thin laminates going from the primary to the secondary, and given the different wire sizes and turns of each side will determine the overall input to output ratios of any given transformer. Since the laminates are the same going from the primary to the secondary, the laminates, which are the actual conveying medium are required to act as a 1:1 coupling ratio and the coils are the ones that have to compensate for any input/output ration requirements or differentials in potentials.

So........ what if the laminates where not straight and uniform. What if they were thicker on one end and get thinner on the other end as shown in the rough diagram below. What is really happening inside the laminates since they are the actual ones doing all the transfer from one coil to the other. This would provide a triangular laminated core with a wide end and a thin end. Either side could be the primary or secondary. You could even have three coils or more on this design.

The question is if this was produced, what would be the actual end result. If the wide end was the primary that received good capacitor discharges, since the laminate is getting thinner, is the amount of transfer entering the wide side all being transferred to the thin side at a higher compression level.

If the thin side was the primary and received very high frequency pulsing, would the thicker side impart more of an amperage to that coil?

The basic idea is that we have been using coil turns and wire sizes to make coupling over any given core. What if the core can also be designed to assist in this. Why not intervene at the core level.

This could also be used in toroidal cores.

In  honor of the brave men and women of the armies that are fighting in many countries, both from USA and Canada and others, and given this actual design reminds be of a trumpet, I would like to call this core idea a "Bugle Core". Now to figure out how to get these laminates or it could be oriented steel cut in triangles. Hmmmmmm.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #400 on: November 11, 2008, 01:37:27 AM »
   @armagdn
   Many thanks for putting things in a way I could understand. That was the key to
make all the parts start to form together. I have had quite a time with the AC aspect
of coils and such. Something kept nagging at me and you finally led me to it.  Q
   I happen to have a copy of the 1959 ARRL and it has starting on page 56 a great
put it in plain text copy of what you are doing. Even does the harmonics. If I didn't
know better, I would say "LC Tank" and more than one.  And darn if it doesn't talk
of Q being the multiplier for the circulating power in the tank. A tank with 50ma at
100 Q is circulating 5amps in there! True the secondary would drag that down but...
Has to be heavy wire in there also to handle it, can we say lamp cord?
   This is just too much in the right direction to pass up trying. So I know where I
will be for a while. Get 11 days off from work thanksgiving holliday.   ;D

   Now to find that freq calculator site that also gives the q of the circuit input.

thaelin

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #401 on: November 11, 2008, 07:14:52 PM »
@ Thaelin

"This is just too much in the right direction to pass up trying."

 ;)

Here is a quote from a leading tesla expert speaking at an AERO conference.
"When you start using reflective kilowatts which is what were talking about here, it constitutes a new form of reactive power. And the reason why its so exciting is, because the same grid, that is in place today, carrying kilowatts, if it were carrying reactive power could service 1000 times more customers without increasing the size of the generating facility. Its just the nature of the beast. Its actually dictated by the terms of the maximum power transfer theorem. Which very clearly shows you , that you maxed uot on your transmission capabilities while the source impedance is equal to the conjugate of load impedance. So if you are doing that game resistively you’re immediately restricted by very severe limitations. But if you switch it to an impedance that is primarily reactive, and reduce resistance way down, which means your Q is going to go way up, then all of a sudden you are dealing with monstrous amount of power for the same input. This is the whole idea of Tesla’s concept, but nobody is using it. And its in every engineering book around, just gotta understand what it really means."


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« Reply #402 on: November 12, 2008, 01:13:15 AM »
   And to think, I just read that in the '59 ARRL manual. I have to confess tho,
I was really dense on the aspect of AC. The more I study it, the more it shows
me. Not just 60hz but RF in general. Owe you a beer or two.

thaelin

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #403 on: November 13, 2008, 05:05:55 AM »
@armagdn03

I got some questions. 

Firstly, has anyone repeated Tesla's Colorado Springs experiment where he powered an incandescent light bulb?  Is this what the Tesla experts are doing right now?  If so, where can I get this information?  I have looked and cannot find anything!  Just alot of bogus misconceptions on how his system is suppose to work - none of them are correct.  armagdn03, yours is the closest but I haven't fully read everything - don't have alot of time these days.


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This is the whole idea of Tesla’s concept, but nobody is using it.

I am doing it! 

As of this Monday I was able to transmit about 30 Watts to power a 25 Watt incandescent light bulb through the ground plane - would be more efficient but I kept the ground plane separated from earth ground for safety reasons, so the transmitter had a slightly different frequency than the receiver.  If the ground plane is removed the light bulb turns off.  Its purely reactive power transfer.  Actually, you convert real power to reactive, send it down the ground plane as reactive, then transform it back to real power for usage.  So basically, I successfully reproduced Tesla's Colorado Springs experiment.  My next goal, for this Friday, is to test to see how well it works in an earth ground.  Then to eventually see how far I can take the receiver from the transmitter - this is not radio transmission either - its a weird reactive power ground wave which everyone seems to ignore.  My frequency is way too high (750kHz) for the earth though so I don't think I'll get very far. 

Again, I wanted to know if I'm the only one doing this since I can find no where on the internet where people have repeated this.  Tesla's work has been around for a while so I doubt I'm the first.  On these very forms people are using single wire transmission to power LEDs, but I haven't seen anyone take it to the higher scale.  The max my transmitter will send is 300 Watts but this is because of my power supply.  My input is only 3kV - I haven't taken it up to full power either because I'm scared of the repercussions - resonance of high Q coils is a scary thing.  But luckily I haven't made any large arcs, other than the noise from the spark gap (and the glow of the bulb) you wouldn't know its on.  I can 100% back Tesla's claims, his method works and is way better than the present mode of power transmission. 

Please, if you can give me more information as to what people have done that would help.  I am presenting my work at a conference in two weeks.  Would be nice to be the first, but I doubt it.

Thanks,
Charlie

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #404 on: November 13, 2008, 05:34:14 AM »
One more thing:

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True the secondary would drag that down but...

Actually, you can get around the damping effect the primary has on the secondary.  Its quite easy.  The secondary only acts as a regular transformer with high coupling to input energy into the system.  You use an "extra coil" as the main high Q resonator and keep it as far from the primary/secondary as possible.  Mine is only 4 feet away but I didn't want to make it any higher since the top of my transmitter is about 15 feet.  The wire length connecting the bottom of the extra coil does not factor in.  It seems these coils are quite impervious to what is applied to them on the bottom - the magic seems to happen at the top. 

In fact, this was rather confusing to me when I first read Tesla's colorado spring notes.  He never tells you that hes using the secondary as a regular transformer - I've heard it referred to as "the driver" setup.  But when you start doing the calculations of his secondary, it is not tuned to anything and has nothing to do with the extra coil.  He only uses it to input energy (and he never tells you, he just starts doing it out of no where).  He changes directions very rapidly in the notes and you can almost miss it.  Then if you look at his 1915 patent, the latest Tesla coil patent, you will notice that the bottom of the coil is actually a regular transformer, the primary wound tightly around a secondary.  The "Extra coil" is cleverly drawn above it but if you don't pay attention you would never notice that fact since the extra coil is drawn without separation between it and the secondary.  If you follow that patent you will not build the proper device to transmit energy.  The top toroid is way too large, the coils are too tightly wound, and the "extra coil" is too close to the secondary.  I'm almost positive Tesla did this on purpose because he didn't want to give away the secret of his transmission method.  Following that patent would only give you a device to generate large sparks - if that, nothing more.  Oddly enough, he writes his notes as if he knew someone would be reading them - someone other than him.  And because of that I feel he purposely left things out. 

I am still learning things, its an on going process, haha!