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Author Topic: The Tesla Project  (Read 233823 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #360 on: October 02, 2008, 03:11:58 PM »
   We can use established physics to explain a highvoltage highfrequency gain of energy from the field.  Electrons as modeled by quantom physics are moving like a bat out of hell.  We influence their orbital or spin momentum enough to get loose of the neucleus and their velocity and mass is now free energy.  A short blast of voltage influences the electrons first because well their light and easy to push or pull.  The neucleus not the case.  It's frigging heavy and takes it's time getting moving.  Electrons are free at last to do what they do best.  Go fast and displace the aether.  This electron release is best accomplished when the neucleus is pinned down or aligned.  When a magnetic energy accompanies the electric field stress there is a huge increase in the #of electrons set free as  well as condensation and polarization of the electron flow path.   It is so simple.  You have a ball blasting around a pole tied to a string near the speed of light.  You cut the string and the ball smashes a windshield a thousand miles away.   You cut loose millions of balls at the same time you vaporize the car and the entire city block it's resting on a thousand miles away.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #361 on: October 02, 2008, 04:03:48 PM »
@Sparks
If you look at the electroscope model and what we call an atom we should see a similarity. A positive charge(proton) will produce a negative field around itself (electron) and inbetween the positive and negative fields will be a point of neutrality not unlike the bloch wall in a magnetic field. This neutral field could be called a neutron which may be just that ---- a field. It very well may be that most of what we consider an atom to be does not exist, they are simply the fields surrounding a charged body.The energy in these fields moves from place to place giving the illusion that something is there. Nobody has ever seen an atom nor an electron, proton and neutron, they have only measured the fields present so there has never been any real proof as to exactly what the atom is in my view.

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Hello all,
you all have to understand that we have 2 various kinds of energies, to say so.
1. our classical, we use it and its well understood
2. I will call it Aether energy
its working with high voltages and low currents and is "made" with kicks, as we say in the TPU thread.
Of course, this energy we can also convert into a usefull energy.
I have nothing more to say on this.
Otto
I think we need to de-mystify this technology, A kick is a sharp transient --a sharp potential gradient that is what it is, what is of more concern is the effects produced by this transient. As well I cannot concieve that there are two kinds of energies, there are an infinite number of energies because we are speaking of energy states namely magnitude of potential and frequency of oscillation. I agree with what you are saying but maybe not how you are saying it because it does not lead me to a better understanding of what it is we are dealing with.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2008, 04:40:44 PM by allcanadian »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #362 on: October 02, 2008, 05:10:25 PM »
@ allcanadian

Good explanation.

I have something to add that will turn this discussion on its head.

The current that charges the capacitor is not electron current.  It can not be.  It is a form of current which Maxwell termed "displacement current".  This current is "virtual", it is "massless".

The capacitor is a wonderful device.  It shows us what happens at the initial connection of a circuit - two traveling waves travel from the dipole (battery, capacitor, or other source of opposite potentials) to the opposite plates of the capacitor - which doesn't cost anything but the energy required to make the connection.  No electrons flow.  You can remove the plates of the capacitor and replace them with other plates and the charge remains because the energy will remain stored in the dielectric via an aetheric polarization which only requires potential and not electrons.

Then you connect this capacitor to a battery or lower potential such as another capacitor that is not charged, the capacitor releases this energy (it balances), again the only cost is the energy required to make the connection.  Again the displacement current is called into action to charge the battery.

What we are doing is moving potential energy around - much like taking gasoline from a tank in the ground and putting it into your automobile.

Now, if the balancing act is kinetic, and the balancing force is provided by Nature and therefore "free" - we can take some potential energy, increase this amount of energy for free by causing it to balance and become kinetic for an instant and hence "increase itself" - and there is our mechanism of "gain" - courtesy of Nature.

This was "tongue in cheak" - hope it makes sense.

Charging batteries is useful, but what we really need is direct conversion to classical EM electricity or motive force to power our devices - which is what Erfinder stated a few months ago in this thread.


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #363 on: October 02, 2008, 06:05:40 PM »
@Grumpy
I would agree completely ;D When I saw the model of the electroscope and how it works everything started to come together. As you said the capacitor is not charged by current, in my machine I only use one wire of the secondaries to ensure there can be no current only a changing potential. In fact charging with only potential seems to be the most difficult part of this technology.
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Now, if the balancing act is kinetic, and the balancing force is provided by Nature and therefore "free" - we can take some potential energy, increase this amount of energy for free by causing it to balance and become kinetic for an instant and hence "increase itself" - and there is our mechanism of "gain" - courtesy of Nature.
I think this explains it better than I did previously and gets to the heart of the matter, we provide only the conditions necessary for energy to enter the circuit. There is another concept I am still trying to get a handle on as well, If a charge seperation/potential difference is produced in a conductor then we can say something has been divided, but in dividing itself it has multiplied itself because the potential at each end of the conductor has the ability to induce an opposite potential in any nearby end of another wire or wires. One potential difference produces two more, If this is the case then one charged capacitor can charge two empty ones through electrostatic induction because nature has provided the other half of the potentials on the two empty capacitors---- and again there is no current involved. science tells us that the induced charge between two charged bodies is equal to the work reqired to seperate the charged bodies but nobody said that the charged bodies had to be moved, as you said why not discharge them with a switching mechanism. I am presently testing this theory and hope It will offer to insight into the process.
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Charging batteries is useful, but what we really need is direct conversion to classical EM electricity or motive force to power our devices - which is what Erfinder stated a few months ago in this thread.
I would agree that we need a simple device that converts directly, that would be the ultimate technology.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2008, 06:33:54 PM by allcanadian »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #364 on: October 02, 2008, 10:09:25 PM »
hi all

interesting discussion on the nature of charge transfer (thanks to Tak22 for the heads-up!)

as some of you know, i've been running some experiments with switching charge between capacitors, looking for OU obviously (and finding it), but also along the way discovering some things about the reality of charging capacitors

my initial energy calculations were partly based on the official text-book statement that in order to charge a capacitor you had to use as much energy in the work needed to overcome the increasing polarisation of the field between the plates as the final energy which got stored on the capacitor as a result

ie. to store 2 Joules of energy would take an extra 2 Joules from your source (4 total)

well, my initial energy calculations used that relationship to double the final energy i stored on my output caps to calculate the total energy i'd 'converted' in the whole process

my results showed total circuit energy quotient of around 1.2 (120% efficient)

the only measurements i took were DC readings of input & output cap voltages at start & finish

as a result of discussions following the posting of my findings earlier this year, i've re-run some tests, only this time measuring the runtime load dissipation for both charging & discharging the output cap

i was pleased to find that the results still come in overunity, at around the same efficiencies (depending on load values), - the most interesting thing was to discover that the charging function was NOT as claimed in the text-books - but NEITHER was it 'massless' !

i'm hoping i've posted the schematic & scope trace for my most recent results below - the (Blue) waveform for the resistive load clearly shows a definite supply of electrons for each charging transient and one larger negative pulse for the final discharge of the cap - the other (Red) waveform is the increasing charge voltage on the output cap (plus charging spikes)

the energy measurements show that the final potential energy stored on the output cap was 1.05mJoule and the measured dissipated energy was 1.04mJoule - good agreement of values and an indication that there are no significant losses in the measured part of the circuit

looking at the charging measurements shows that work was done, via the load, to charge the output cap, but it was only 77% of the stored charge (for a 10 ohm load)

repeating the experiment with a 1 ohm load produced an energy quotient of 1.35 - and the charging energy was down to 27% of the final stored energy

according to the text-books, the work done charging from cap to cap should NOT be load dependent!

how do these real-life results sit with your ideas above?

all the best
sandy
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #365 on: October 03, 2008, 12:00:38 AM »
@AC

Yes I agree with what you have said. It is so crazy that you guys are talking about this now and I have been mulling over this for the last few days (while the forum was down). I will put another post on a pretty radical idea about electricity, but not in this post.

I will also try the circuit you have shown. Question is where would you connect the coil of the output relay.

But first I would like to show something that is pretty neat and a very simple method of producing high voltage from a low voltage source and that may help answer your questions.

My pulsing device is just a reed switch and a magnet in a circuit with a microwave transformer. The source battery has 12.2 volts and in just a few seconds I get 870 volts inside my tank capacitor.

Lots of photos. The first photo shows the complete system. The second photo shows a close up of my magnet near the reed switch and the sparks. The third photo shows the scope shot taken when the reed sparks. The fourth is a basic diagram.

The scope shot is much more involved then shown. Actually the whole scope screen is full of vertical lines. The scope was set as follows

VARIABLE VOLT/DIV 5 (my scope maximum)
TIME DIV 5ms
PROBE WAS SET AT 10X (because at 1x the waves just shot way off the screen).

I am doing a few other reed tests with a microwave transformer but with the top removed so I have a great electromagnet with a secondary. I tried this with the above circuit and it produces about half the voltage rise as the one above in the same time frame, but it permits to use the electromagnet for other things such as motive force, relay latching, etc., that you cannot do with the closed armature of a normal transformer. I will use two cut microwave transformers and try my circuit entitled 3 Way Reed Flyback Tester that I put up on page 8 of this thread.

I will also try my FTPU build and a few other builds with this driven method and see what gives.

Lastly, I am now very convinced that any form of coil to coil coupling should be done via laminated metallic plates. I you have to cut up a regular transformer and retrieve the laminates, this will give you the best coupling possible and you can then apply many types of coiling configurations. Using solid iron rod or bunched iron wire is not good and a major waste of time. If you have a microwave transformer, just grind off one of the welds that holds the top (or bottom) and then break it off with a hammer. Takes 5 minutes. This will give you both a very powerful electromagnet plus secondary to recycle energy plus some great laminate material to wind test coils. I put up the two last photos to show how to cut the transformer.

I'll fill you guys in when I have more concrete results. lol

@nul-points

Good work there. I will have to look at this more closely when time permits.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #366 on: October 03, 2008, 12:29:35 AM »

Think what you want.   ;D

To know, one must shut down the sense faculty.  If and when you succeed, you will begin to comprehend nature, and no longer need to interpret, as she is fully capable and willing to tell you how she does what she does.  The question we should be asking at this point is, if the senses are shut down, with what faculty is one interacting with Nature?  LOL... ;D


Walter Russell quoted....

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #367 on: October 03, 2008, 01:04:01 AM »

how do these real-life results sit with your ideas above?

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Nice work.

I'm trying to get my mind around the essentials of it all, so that I can devise a better way than charging batteries.  We need something on the order of 20kw for home or auto use - this isn't small potatoes.

Lookng over Ivor Catt's work with Heaviside's "energy current" - interesting ideas presented.  He also brings up that a DC current is the resutls of two opposing traveling waves -  ;)

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #368 on: October 03, 2008, 01:33:34 AM »
thanks guys, hoped it would be relevant


Ivor Catt - yes, and not just DC in circuit wires - he suggests the charge on a cap is reflecting waves, too!

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #369 on: October 03, 2008, 02:30:21 AM »
@Amigo
My children have similar thoughts, all they know is that they want and when they get what they want then they want more. Personally I do not subscribe to that kind of nonsense, there is no satisfaction in a job well done, no insight nor understanding, no problem solving ability is developed and it does not build character nor independance, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty to succeed.

See, that's where we respectfully disagree. These are just steps on the path and there's absolutely no reason that we all have to go through them from the very beginning. Someone had already laid down the stones before us, and our job is to continue laying stones ahead. And that would work just fine if there weren't people of older generations (no disrespect to yourself) who believe that younger generations need to learn the lesson the "hard way", the way older generations did it because that's how *they* believe character is built.

I'm sorry but that's just totally backwards way of thinking and by the same analogy there are still people out there (not saying you) who still believe woman's place is in the house as a homemaker, or to raise the children, and not be an equal partner among men.

What I'm trying to say is this: The knowledge of the past experiences *is* available, but older generations do not share it outright because they want to teach the younger generations "a lesson" (or they do not wish to be surpassed by younger generations, but that is just plain ludicrous thinking).
Instead of letting the younger generations soar high freely with the knowledge the older generations could impart, they are making the younger generations crawl on the ground while at the same time enchanting them with stories of flight they might achieve one day *if* they follow in the same footsteps of the older generations.

That is a recipe for producing factory belt conventional thinkers which our academia has been seeding for decades now, endorsed by the governments, of course, because they don't want radical thinkers who think outside the box and could stir the pot by showing everyone how obsolete the governments and academia really are.

The ways of the old are not necessarily the ways of the new, nor should they be. And neither are good or bad ways. But minds are evolving and are faster to catch things than those before them. Why should anyone stand in the path of development because of their ego?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #370 on: October 03, 2008, 03:30:01 AM »
    Tangentially emitted from any migration of electrons are electromagnetic waves traveling at the speed of light.  These displacement waves are constantly being emitted even though the electrons are confined to neucleic dictated orbitals.  A neucleic exchange of electrons due to charge gradient results in the emitted displacement waves taking on a vectored radiation pattern.  Constructive wave interference.  This is our familiar mass migration produced electrical current.  A very small portion of the electron emwave emission constructively interfering.   What can be seen from this is that the atom is always radioactive as the electron travel continually displaces the magnetic aether.  A permanent magnet is a crystal lattice that ensures the electron travel is such that it's displacement waves interfere in a particular pattern.  Where I'm going with this is that any process that causes a constructive interference of this electronic wave energy will give us free energy.
     This still leaves us with the problem at hand.  What to do with high voltage high frequency energy.  I believe Mr. Tesla gave us the answer when he refers to his translatory machines.  By charging one of his capacitor coils and discharging the capacitor into a circuit designed to be resonant at a lower frequency than that charging the cap.  In other words pulse charging the cap and discharging the cap into a resonant circuit where the inductance of the circuit takes on the form of a motor or stepdown transformer primary.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2008, 03:55:48 AM by sparks »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #371 on: October 03, 2008, 02:12:34 PM »
Question:

If my transformer secondary can charge one huge 88mf 1200vdc capacitor to 870 volts in a few seconds, can I instead charge 10 capacitors to 87 volts each in the same few seconds and will this then transform my same high voltage low amperage output to a lower voltage higher amperage output. lol.

Meaning, instead of trying to take a high voltage low amperage output result and storing it in a large capacitor and only then look to re-transform this through one or several step down transformer methods, why not use a capacitor bank and spread out the initial output.

Then just use an isolation transformer to run a load or loop it back to source. Hmmm.

I remember there was this Menonite (our other) bearded guy that made a YouTube demo of a self running electric generator and behind the motor he had a large number of capacitors behind the motor. Can't remember where I saw it but having these capacitors in parallel and feeding them with a high voltage would have spread out the voltage/amperage.

So do parallel capacitors increase amperage.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #372 on: October 03, 2008, 03:04:37 PM »
First of all, thank you allcanadian for your treatise, I was missing the point all this time and now I got passed through another layer of understanding.


If my transformer secondary can charge one huge 88mf 1200vdc capacitor to 870 volts in a few seconds, can I instead charge 10 capacitors to 87 volts each in the same few seconds ...[snip]


Read allcanadian again, I think you missed the point.


So do parallel capacitors increase amperage.


Look at allcanadian's schematic. Can you say or calculate the rush-in current for C2?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #373 on: October 03, 2008, 03:48:01 PM »
    Parallel capacitors increase storage capacity but decrease efficiency.  So the parallel caps would be the same as your 88mfd cap.  AC's point as well as Grumpy's is that the charging of a capacitor can be accomplished using the energy of the opposing charged mass.  Conventional charging of a capacitor is because electrons are pumped into a plate making it negatively charged which attracts positively charged ions from an electrolyte that is in intimate contact with the plate but electrically insulated from it by an aluminum oxide layer.  AC is talking about charging the capacitor by setting up a field where migration of the electrons using their own energy towards the field charges a plate instead of pumping the electrons into or out of the plate.
     I believe this was accomplished by Tesla and Moray by using the grid capacitance in a vacuum tube as an ouput instead of a control.

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« Reply #374 on: October 03, 2008, 04:10:20 PM »
I have read all the pages of this thread and been following it since. At first I thought I'd like to actively participate but I've noticed that some people really have "a problem". As a result of that I chose to write the following to those with "a problem":

Are you looking for a public acknowledgment that you *know* something because you will not get one until everyone had verified your claims of knowing by also knowing themselves. Tossing around puzzles, cryptic words, sentences and free energy folklore to spice up what you are saying or make it more "mystical" is probably an oldest game in town. Rulers of the world had been doing it for eons to their populaces. Knowledge is power and I feel you are abusing it, if you really know something others don't. Even if you do not know, it is pretty pathetic to pretend you do and deceive others, just for your own amusement or some because you want and feed on attention of others.

Or is it that you are trying to create urban legends of yourself, just like like Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann have become household names in the free energy circles. Is the branding really important to you, will your value (stock?) go up because of it, or is there some monetary or other compensation involved that you are not willing to set us straight?

Either way, I do not care if you never ever post a single word on this forum or anywhere else, because that only shows how inflated your ego really is. So please cut with the threats of leaving or never posting again, if you want to leave - leave and be done with. Those who left at least had the decency of doing so (but never the less they still think of themselves as if they are legends - in their own mind, of course). Someone else will come and take your place and they might be truly altruistic because you have shown you are not.

Your ideas and findings can have a life of their own if they are true and honest, there's no need for puzzles and enigmatic misdirections. People here are hungry for truth and knowledge not lies and deceptions, else they would not be here to begin with.

Therefore, I'm calling your bluff - come out and put your cards on the table. Lets' see the working principles of what you are preaching here, or falsely trying to teach, because methods of your teaching are terrible. But I can not solely fault you for it for you are the product of the system you were brought in, an example of a failed education experiments we all have been trapped with for decades now

This was my open letter to this thread, take it as you wish.


Message received. I am sorry for my outburst, why call it by any other name. I am particularly frustrated with several things that do not concern this forum, and so frustration got the best of me.  Wont happen again.
To that end, I realize not all have been fortunate enough to have read or had access to the things I have had access too. I have been compiling lessons to share information at my leisure to anybody interested. I am by no means an expert, but have much to share which seems to have slipped past the watching eyes of most.
If there is anyone who would like to provide web hosting for this information, I would greatly like to speak to you. I have the know how, but not the time. I am trying to balance schooling, with my continued study in this area, documenting my knowledge to share, and of course, there’s always a woman in the picture, which takes up considerable time ;)  If content, pictures, video and layout were provided, would there be an individual who would be willing to take care of its presentation on the web design side of things?
This would not be a place of discussion, merely presentation……. and discussion may follow wherever the readers wish it to. A good portion of information has already been created for this purpose, and will be delivered to the reader in chapters, so that I may prepare more for the next chapter, and so that readers can fully explore and understand what’s happening before they move on.
If anybody has interest, please message me, and we can talk it over.
Sorry again, and thanks!