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Offline wattsup

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #330 on: September 24, 2008, 09:15:10 PM »
@clone477

Are you talking about the rotary switch on the Ozone Patent or are you referring to another patent and if so, which one.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #331 on: September 24, 2008, 09:19:31 PM »
  Tesla used a motorized spark gap just like the old points set on a car.  You are quite right that once you see the light and corona discharge it's too late.
Plazma formation in the spark gap has to be controlled for as soon as it bridges the gap the current flow from the scource will result in emwave energy conversion directly from the scource.  If the electron cloud stays within the influence of the neucleus an energy void is created between the neucleus and electron field.
It's cold in there and re travels toward this void.  The abrupt cessation of the voltage results in the energy that is heading for this field to smackup against a wall of atomic energy.  This vibration of space results in emwave propogation powered by the ambient instead of the scource.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #332 on: September 25, 2008, 01:00:47 AM »
wattsup, Its been in front of our eyes the whole time in these 8 patents
609251
609245
611719
609246
609247
609248
609249
613735

These are all labeled under electric circuit controller.  THIS IS HOW THE CONTROLLER MUST BE BUILT, or we wont see the full benifit of the ozone patent, AND  WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HIGH NUMBER OF MAKE AND BREAK POINTS PER SECOND.

Im aware of the rotary spark gap that is usually used, but I dont think this applies to the ozone patent.  I remember reading an interview and Tesla said a spark gap is a different device than he controllers.  Im alittle dissapointed now because I see that it will not be easy to build the controller the way Tesla says works best.  Im open to some feedback.  Fern

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #333 on: September 25, 2008, 03:25:08 AM »
@clone477
It is not the controller that stops the arcing of the contacts, it is the timing at which the contacts open and close. Like pushing a swing at the right time needs little effort, if the the timing is correct there will be no sparks.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #334 on: September 25, 2008, 03:33:57 AM »
F the controller,

blinded you are (to be read in Yoda voice)

This is nutz, i don't even know why I bother posting at all anymore (probably wont), if you read over the posts of the people in the know you will know where to go, who did they read to know what they know? Why do you think ol Erf has dropped of the face of the planet (as far as this place is concerned) because this is wack, nobody makes any progress even tho they were given almost step by step instructions. Even IF someone were to pull this thing off, all you would have is a fancy tesla coil, this was just step one, and nobody has even gotten that far.

Peace out people,
« Last Edit: September 25, 2008, 03:57:16 AM by armagdn03 »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #335 on: September 25, 2008, 03:48:51 AM »
Allcanadian,
I totally understand the timing of all the different parts of the circuit..
1.  Primary transformer and capacitor tuned circuit TIMED to Secondary bifilar or Secondary coil and capacitor AND frequency of make and break(RPM or motor) TIMED to the two other circuits.

Im pretty sure this is correct, but I try to read everything you teach Allcanadian, so if Im wrong let me know.

Now isnt there always going to be arching when the inductor coil collopses??

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #336 on: September 25, 2008, 04:06:28 AM »
What is the point of that post??  After reading this thread many times all I ever seen was talk about using relays in replacement for the motor armatures and field coils to provide the collapse to charge the condenser.  This was the original challenge from Erfinder.

If you read all the controller patents Tesla spells out that the controller is to be used in the exact circuit as the ozone patent one. 

I've spend the last 3 weeks, everynight reading through the patents, and building, all while being self taught in electronics.  So instead of posting a email that is deconstructive, help and teach if you have the knowledge.  I'm not asking for handouts, because Ive done so much research on this patent and have built the experiment.  Im trying to learn all I can along with everyone else.   Im willing to learn.   Fern 

F the controller,

blinded you are (to be read in Yoda voice)

This is nutz, i don't even know why I bother posting at all anymore, if you read over the posts of the people in the know you will know where to go, who did they read to know what they know? Why do you think ol Erf has dropped of the face of the planet (as far as this place is concerned) because this is wack, nobody makes any progress even tho they were given almost step by step instructions.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #337 on: September 25, 2008, 08:50:54 AM »
Hello all,

@wattsup

nice work. I dont have the time to read all posts but youre good. Your "TPU" looks good.

Otto

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #338 on: September 25, 2008, 02:56:07 PM »
F the controller,

blinded you are (to be read in Yoda voice)

This is nutz, i don't even know why I bother posting at all anymore (probably wont), if you read over the posts of the people in the know you will know where to go, who did they read to know what they know? Why do you think ol Erf has dropped of the face of the planet (as far as this place is concerned) because this is wack, nobody makes any progress even tho they were given almost step by step instructions. Even IF someone were to pull this thing off, all you would have is a fancy tesla coil, this was just step one, and nobody has even gotten that far.

Peace out people,

As helpful as usual...

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #339 on: September 25, 2008, 03:04:35 PM »
@armagdn03

I have tested this circuit in many ways. Relay contacts (burn up and don't always connect to the N/O), mosfets (burn up if you start playing around with the pulse settings), manually pulsing of two wires (very tiring lol), reed contacts (burn up), my pulse wheel is about the best method so far that I have found. I will add another contact to mine and try my Erfinder Challenge circuit since it requires DPDT contacts and I think this will be the best so far because I am getting complete connection of the common side to the NO and NC sides. Relays can flutter between these points if the capacitance is not high enough on the circuit.

As per @clone477s observation of the same, it is only normal to try and look elsewhere and his looking into other Tesla patents is not a bad thing in itself when you consider his or my knowledge of the subject may not be as expansive as yours.

@all

Case in point is Tesla Patent 609245 -

As @clone477 used the terms, Tesla calls it "make or break".

Tesla gives a great secret or perspective on discharges that I have never thought of before or should I say never have equated as being so obvious. An inductor will spark when you unplug it. A capacitor will spark when you plug it in. He says this in so simple words. Disjunction and conjunction. Disconnection and connection. Every time you connect, the cap discharges, every time you disconnect, the inductor discharges. When the inductor discharges, it spikes the primary and charges the cap, when the cap discharges, it goes in either straight or in "reverse polarity" through the transformer primary and returns to source while charging the inductor. This is because of their inherent method of holding and releasing their energy. And I always wondered how the hell the cap and coil new when to discharge with a simple shorting or unshorting and the answer is so simple. So for me, this one aspect was worth looking over that patent. Hmmm.

Then he goes on a lengthy discussion of the relationship between contact methods, spark production all relative to the wasting of important energy and he has devised his controllers to minimize this effect to the maximum level possible.

@clone477

The patents you are referring are using a conducting liquid to initiate the contacts so as to minimize or eliminate the sparks and therefore increase contact efficiency. But to tell you the truth, I doubt if I can build such a device as it will require major machining and building skills that go above and beyond my own abilities. I think you will agree.

Since @armagdn03 probably knows of all these controller patents, he is naturally wondering why the hell one would fuss about such patents, and based on that, I would agree with him.

Now the part he says about guys in the know, well, let me think about that one. Some have already tried spark gap quenching with magnets. Hmmmm.  But magnets would then modify the relay function. Hmmm again. I'm stumped.

So back to the pulsing then and it's relationship to the values of your components. You should maybe provide a good diagram of what you are doing and also a list of all the components and their values with the ohms value when applicable. I have found that, yes, changing the capacitor value will change the sparking of the relay, but it will also change the power output of the working circuit. So there has to be a comfortable midway point where you can maximize the working circuit output while reducing sparks. This is all relative to the other components. Remember the capacitor will discharge "preceeding conjunction" or before the contacts actually physically touch each other, and the inductor will discharge as the contact opens. This is not happening right at contact or at opening but before contact and as opening.

When you tested the spark gap with an outer coil and found there is energy imparted to the coil on every spark, maybe this is a way of managing both worlds. Make your contact with sparks, but capture back as much of that energy for reuse. I will have to think about that one more carefully as this is another part of the "waste not want not" required to achieve any nearness to OU.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #340 on: September 25, 2008, 04:46:55 PM »
    I believe Tesla abandoned his motorized spark gaps upon the perfection of Deforest's vacuum tube.  The vacuum tube's capacitance coupling with the ambient energy fields alot cleaner and precise which must have delited Tesla.
When the electron field is stretched  the space between the proton and electron cloud is voided of charge carriers.  In a vacuum tube this seperation can be maximized because there isn't much matter for the electron field to run into.  Electron cloud seperation now able to be measured in millimeters without ionization occuring.  Space between the electron cloud and the neucleus is now really messed with.   This space is way down on the Kelvin scale.  A cavitation of the spacetime continuom ?  Then a pulse hits the grid.  This cavity collapses under the force of both the ambient wave energy and the pulse supplied energy.  Talk about stopping the current fast.  We're talking fractions of a nanosecond.  This produces a highly disruptive electromagnetic shock wave.  Which leads us to the position of the "disruptor" in relationship to the observer coils or capacitors.   Tesla just didn't put his disruptor any old place and wire her in.  He made sure he optimized the distribution of his shockwaves into his mass fields.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #341 on: September 26, 2008, 01:36:47 AM »
Well great, I just received my first DC pulse generator that I purchased from ebay. It is a maximum 5vdc unit that can go up to 10mHz. I wanted this one to pulse small coils without having to deal with all the circuitry stuff. My second generator is due in a few days. I purchased it as "lights up but non-working" for 50 bucks. Once fixed, it can pulse up to 200 watts at up to 50mHz. I will get it fixed by my local EE guy. I already have the schematics and he says it is no problem for him to fix. I am in the process of buying a third one.

I figure instead of using a mosfets driven by my frequency generators with a dc power supply on the source, why not just use a pulse generator with all the proper controls. Now to see how long they will last. This will let me experiment with so many variations, quicker. Should have done this a year ago. lol

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #342 on: September 26, 2008, 02:00:57 AM »
DONT use mosfets with powered by sig gen to mess with LC circuits, you will blow your sig gen at resonance. Your second generator sounds like a gem, you will enjoy that.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #343 on: September 26, 2008, 02:39:01 AM »
so a PWM circuit driving a mosfet is no good for this purpose?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #344 on: September 26, 2008, 03:31:48 AM »
I have read all the pages of this thread and been following it since. At first I thought I'd like to actively participate but I've noticed that some people really have "a problem". As a result of that I chose to write the following to those with "a problem":

Are you looking for a public acknowledgment that you *know* something because you will not get one until everyone had verified your claims of knowing by also knowing themselves. Tossing around puzzles, cryptic words, sentences and free energy folklore to spice up what you are saying or make it more "mystical" is probably an oldest game in town. Rulers of the world had been doing it for eons to their populaces. Knowledge is power and I feel you are abusing it, if you really know something others don't. Even if you do not know, it is pretty pathetic to pretend you do and deceive others, just for your own amusement or some because you want and feed on attention of others.

Or is it that you are trying to create urban legends of yourself, just like like Bedini, Bearden and Lindemann have become household names in the free energy circles. Is the branding really important to you, will your value (stock?) go up because of it, or is there some monetary or other compensation involved that you are not willing to set us straight?

Either way, I do not care if you never ever post a single word on this forum or anywhere else, because that only shows how inflated your ego really is. So please cut with the threats of leaving or never posting again, if you want to leave - leave and be done with. Those who left at least had the decency of doing so (but never the less they still think of themselves as if they are legends - in their own mind, of course). Someone else will come and take your place and they might be truly altruistic because you have shown you are not.

Your ideas and findings can have a life of their own if they are true and honest, there's no need for puzzles and enigmatic misdirections. People here are hungry for truth and knowledge not lies and deceptions, else they would not be here to begin with.

Therefore, I'm calling your bluff - come out and put your cards on the table. Lets' see the working principles of what you are preaching here, or falsely trying to teach, because methods of your teaching are terrible. But I can not solely fault you for it for you are the product of the system you were brought in, an example of a failed education experiments we all have been trapped with for decades now

This was my open letter to this thread, take it as you wish.