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Offline allcanadian

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The Tesla Project
« on: January 22, 2008, 11:56:53 PM »
Here are some neat scopeshots of a similar LC circuit, input is a single 12v impulse.
Picture 1 is a single wire from the oscilloscope attached to the (-) side of the cap, set at 10v/div- 100 microseconds.
Picture 2 is a single wire from the oscilloscope attached to the (+) side of the cap, set at 10v/div-100 microseconds.
Pictue 3 is both oscilloscope leads attached to the cap, set at 50v/div-100 microseconds.

In picture 1 and 2 we can see one waveform as it is transformed into another waveform, what I found odd is not the fact that the impulse was transformed, but the underlying frequency inherent in the oscillation. In picture 3 we see what appears to be two waveforms superimposed on one another, but it should be understood that we have two wires connected across the cap. One waveform, an inductive discharge current is incoming another waveform unlike the first is leaving. What is odd is that we are dealing with a single 12v impulse, why is a 50v waveform heading back to the source battery? Why is there an oscillating current from a single inductive discharge moving in one direction ---- into the cap. Why is this oscillation inherent in the conventional current leaving the cap for the source battery?. I don't believe they taught THIS in science class   ;D

I would like to expand on the scopeshot #3 I posted above, considering what we see and what must happen.
-- If the (+) oscilloscope probe is connected to the (+) post of a battery, the (-) probe to the (-) battery post we will see a (+) voltage on the scope above the zero boundary.
-- If we reverse the probe connections, that is (+) probe to (-) battery terminal we see a negative voltage on the scope below the zero boundary, but this is not "negative" electricity ---- only the voltage polarity has changed.
-- If we measure an alternating current we see the "sine" waveform, again there is NO "negative" electricity here the current has only changed direction, it alternates back and forth as does the polarity of the voltage.

Now concerning scopeshot #3, the inductive discharge (250+v) is alternating, we see this in scopeshot #1 and #2 as well using only 1 wire from the scope. But this is supposedly a single inductive discharge from a single 12v impulse? the inductive discharge waveform is in oscillation BEFORE it enters the capacitor, that is changing direction --- alternating, but with what?

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The Tesla Project
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 09:00:01 AM »
What is the relationship between voltage readings (as you indicate with your o'scope pics) and magnetic fields in four dimensional time/space geometry?


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 10:38:22 AM »
. . .
The answer to this question is actually quite simple.  Unfortunately you will have to leave the path paved by conventional science if it is truly your desire to comprehend it, as the scientific community (humanity as a whole) are not prepared (yet) to accept the reality of an underlying fundamental mechanism which is beyond the reaches of the five senses.. . .

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Hello Erfinder,

Your point above is so absurd I almost didn't respond but then I thought, "what the heck."  Now my suspicion is conventional science attempts to go well beyond the 5 senses in looking at (for instance) red shift to understand the expansion of the universe or at the other end using magnetic resonance imaging to "see" the structure of human anatomy to an incredible level of resolution.  There are other examples of the extension of the human senses.

What underlying fundamental mechanism are you talking about?  What do you imagine the "path paved by conventional science" to be?


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ps:  don't make me sic the black helicopters on you.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 10:38:22 AM »
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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 04:38:44 PM »
I've been waiting all these long years holding my breath for your permission.  Thanks so much.  You have no idea how much this means to me.


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edit:  At some point in time your imagination should touch down in reality.  That scientific path you suggest abandoning attempts to correlate the imagination to reality.  I wouldn't recommend abandoning it.  Since I've been given permission to think what I want, I think I'll continue to think your proposition of "leaving that paved path of conventional science" as an absurd idea.  You might try and differentiate between yourself and your ideas.  I've insulted your idea but you take it personally.

Now I'll insult you.  You are a small minded person by reason of your inability to distinguish between yourself and your ideas.  See the difference?

Enjoy your stroll into absurdity.  Drop bread crumbs so you can find your way back to reality.

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Think what you want.   ;D
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Regards

Heck, since I've already dispatched the black helicopters I only feel it right to explain how you can avoid their tracking system.  You need to take two tin foil hats and a long extension cord.  Wrap one stripped bare wire around one hat clock-wise and the other end counter clock-wise on the other hat.  Now insert one hat inside the other and plug it in.

The old boys at HQ are a little frustrated with this new technique of what they jokingly refer to as the aluminum naughty.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2008, 05:08:23 PM by Bessler007 »

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 04:57:36 PM »
@Erfinder
I have come to see many things differently in the last week, more than anything the role of capacitance. Also as you had mentioned the roles of Inductance and Capacitance as they relate to one another, there special relationship. The most exciting prospect to date however came from a most unlikely place, a 12 inch - single turn of 1/4" Diameter copper tubing as my primary coil  ;D.
When I see this in action I understand the absolute genius in teslas coil, and nobody seems to have a clue just how far Tesla had mastered his art of electrostatic induction or the secrets it holds.

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Offline AhuraMazda

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 05:16:52 PM »
Also as you had mentioned the roles of Inductance and Capacitance as they relate to one another, there special relationship.

@allcanadian,
A few posts back, I came to conclusion that a capacitor is very much the inverse of an inductor.
This was confirmed by another member. Please share your finding in this respect.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 05:47:03 PM »
I just finished reading everything you've ever posted here.  I feel so alive now with this new found freedom to "think what ever I want to."

You're an even smaller minded person than I first imagined by reason of an inability to distinguish your ideas from those of others; parading around like some ascended master cloaked in a tank circuit of a scant capacity and induced understanding of other's ideas resisted by the BS of your very essence.

Truth is if you actually knew what you were talking about you'd build something and prove it.  Smiley faces don't prove squat.  I think my search for the truth of  you has ended.

You know who you are.


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Re: The Tesla Project
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Offline Bessler007

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 06:02:17 PM »
allcanadian,

How did you measure electrostatic induction?


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. . .
When I see this in action I understand the absolute genius in teslas coil, and nobody seems to have a clue just how far Tesla had mastered his art of electrostatic induction or the secrets it holds.
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 06:06:59 PM »
@AhuraMazda
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A few posts back, I came to conclusion that a capacitor is very much the inverse of an inductor.
This was confirmed by another member. Please share your finding in this respect.

I would call them complementary components, like brother and sister, one (L) stores energy outward -- the other (C) inward. Together they do what each alone cannot, so they have a special relationship. I think we have not given capacitance and the electric field the consideration it deserves which is what much of this thread will probably cover.

I have a few more pictures ;D
Pic 1 is QC, (Quicky coil) I know it is a monstrosity but it performs its function marginally well.
Pic 2 is a close-up of the coil windings which are not truely bi-filiar as Tesla prescribes and the wire is too large and too little of it in the secondary --- but it is a coil, just not a very good one.
Pic 3 is interesting, this is a scope shot using one wire of the secondary to one wire of the oscilloscope, the thick primary is shorted with a jumper across, and is fed from one wire attached to the LC circuit. Everything is open circuit (one wire) or shorted with a jumper but still produces the interesting waveform on the scope. Keep in mind this is done with a single short duration 12v impulse into the inductor of the LC circuit. The settings are 10v/div @ 100 microseconds, so at this point we could assume there is an electric field at work which needs more study. Next we will attach an oscillator in resonance with the primary LC circuit to produce a continuous series of oscillations, I will be using the method Tesla originally used consisting of a set of contacts above the inductance actuated by the magnetic field.

« Last Edit: January 23, 2008, 06:37:03 PM by allcanadian »

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Offline Bessler007

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 10:08:16 PM »
It well could be you are referencing what you imagine to be an inductive discharge to the rf (10kHz) broadcasting from your coil and being picked up by the antenna of your other probe.  You think  you're only using one wire but you're using both.  That sneaky rf is totally fm, dude.  That's a sort of magic.

It also well could be that the induction you imagine to be electrostatic is neither that or magnetic induction.


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. . .
Now concerning scopeshot #3, the inductive discharge (250+v) is alternating, we see this in scopeshot #1 and #2 as well using only 1 wire from the scope. But this is supposedly a single inductive discharge from a single 12v impulse? the inductive discharge waveform is in oscillation BEFORE it enters the capacitor, that is changing direction --- alternating, but with what?

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 10:51:11 PM »
@ allcanadian

Do you use a apark-gap like Tesla did it in some of his projects ?

In "A pratical guido to "Free Energy" Devices" they mention, that the key to OU is a disruptive discharge...

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D3.pdf

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 06:24:54 PM »
@ bessler007

I thought it was necessary to know what Im dealing with and in that respect I have built Bill Beatys rediculously sensitive charge detector, I have tied an opto-isolator to my mosfet with an open base wire, the opto feeds an LED for visual reference and feeds an opamp to convert the signal for a frequency generator and interface with my computer microphone. This signal can then be used in a spectrum analyser program to measure electrostatic pulses and only electrostatic pulses as magnetic fields and EM have no effect on the open base of the mosfet. I can detect a person dragging there feet on the carpet 3 feet away! now thats cool. I still need to mount the circuit in a metal insulated case to reduce all interference then I can post some pictures.

@Frederic2k1
I use a disruptive discharge from an inductor but have not used spark gaps persay, the arcing contacts of my relay could however act as a spark gap, once resonance is acieved this arcing should stop which is more effecient.


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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 07:05:46 PM »
electrostatic induction! thats a good word. Ill have to use that more often,

@AhuraMazda

Your assumptions about the capacitors role vs the inductor are spot on. I would suggest looking up the formulas for capacitive reactance, and inductive reactance, you will be interested to note that they are exact inverses to each other, perfect mirror opposites. If you do not know what reactance is, it is the resistance to charge with relation to frequency applied.

Capacitors offer less reactance or also called impedance (measured in good old ohms) in higher frequency situations, while inductors

Offer more reactance, or impedance (measured in ohms) in higher frequency situations.

You will also be interested to note that when used in combination, they oscillate energy between them if given a push.

This is teslas secret, how he achieved frequencies many many times higher than mechanical convenience would allow.

I suggest reading up on the very basics of these two devices, on impedance, on LC circuits, both parallel, and in series, absorb all you can.

@bessler007
Yay! another interesting character in the OU soap opera! Keep up the good work, always need conflict, the spice of life really.

@allcanadian
The spark gap is a circuit controller nothing more, it makes and breaks the connection. The gap itself is not necessary.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »
@armagdn03
I am very sure you know much more about this than you are willing to tell us, I just put 2 and 2 together in the thread next to this one Patent 512340. HV/HF and the LC relationship is the answer I have been looking for and Tesla has been telling us this all along, we just haven't been listening.

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Re: The Tesla Project
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 07:43:03 PM »
:)  Conflict might spice life but it also has a more practical function.  It causes growth.

Tesla's capacitive inductor is interesting.

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@bessler007
Yay! another interesting character in the OU soap opera! Keep up the good work, always need conflict, the spice of life really.
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