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Author Topic: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.  (Read 15456 times)

Offline nwman

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Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« on: January 21, 2008, 01:20:30 AM »
So I have been looking at some of these gaussian gun videos on youtube and have given then a quick thought of how they work and is there a way to loop this action? I know there probably isn't however I did have an idea that I need help disproving. Really I should just go out and buy the materials and test it but that's take time and money I don't want to spend.

Moving on, here is a link that explains how these work;
http://www.coolmagnetman.com/maglnch.htm

Here are a few videos of them in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZmCJ5eZlmo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7CyPtF0ChA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxkZaYYSHFs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Hj8NOk1I4

So the idea is instead of having the ball hit the bear side of the magnet to launch the ball on the other side you would have the ball travel through the magnet and hit the first ball on the other side . So now you may ask how do you think your going to make the ball travel through the magnet? Well, put a hole in it! What if instead of a solid magnet you had a ring magnet with a track running through it. This way the first "firing ball" would make direct contact with the first ball and the line and balls. This would give the ability for the firing ball to move to the launching side thus resetting the configuration. This is the part I haven't had enough experimentation with to predict what would happen. Of course the idea is to have the now launched ball return to the firing side and start the reaction over again and create a loop.

Ok, now here are the issues that I need help with. How would the row of ball configure themselves to the ring magnet? Would the line up on one side(pole) or would they try to balance in between the ring magnet show in the picture below?
« Last Edit: January 22, 2008, 06:17:12 AM by nwman »

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 01:47:24 AM »
It would be ideal if they wanted to only stay on one side. This would make it easy. The firing ball would be attracted to the ball in the middle of the ring and make contact launching the ball on the far right. Then if the forces wanted to keep the ball on one side it "should?" pull the firing ball into the center of the ring magnet closing the loop. This would be too easy though so it can't be the case.

Now if the balls wanted to balance between the pole this makes a neutral state which wouldn't allow the ball on the right to me launched. How I see possibly over coming this is by angling the track so that gravity comes into play (I thought I might as well add it to the equation). Now, I would think this would make the row of ball shift to the down side of the magnet which would create a potential opretunity for the gun affect to occur. The angle may even need to approach vertical to make the balls shift all the way to the other side. This would also cause a problem of having to lift the launched ball vertically back up to a high enough position to start over again. From the videos it seams like there would be enough power but that is just an assumption. Now that the far right one has left it whole row would theoretical want to hang lower thus pulling the firing ball into the center position of the ring.

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 01:56:19 AM »
Now there are things I probably over looked and or am assuming incorrectly so please point them out if they matter. This is just a problem I couldn't visualize in my head. I haven't played with metals inside of a ring magnet before. Also I don't think we need to talk about any why of pulling power off of it. My main endeavor is to make something that just runs continuously.

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Offline nwman

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 02:04:00 AM »
One more questions would be is if all the balls in the row would have to be on one side or if as long as there are more on the launching side then the firing side it would still retain the gun shot ability. This would be due to the fact that the point of firing impact would be greater force (attraction) then the forces holding the ball on the far right.

Tim

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 04:16:39 AM »
... Gaussian gun videos ... how they work

nwman,

One only needs the magnet and two steel balls to get the same effect.  This is the same concept described and used in the Muller Dynamo.

"Steel on Steel makes a frequency and that frequency pushed the Steel Ball away from the magnet; the frequency is stronger then the magnet holding force." - Bill Muller

A repulsion frequency (signal) intersecting the two steel balls is created, when sharp contact is made with the magnetic flux. (see pic)

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Offline nwman

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 04:37:45 AM »
Schpankme,

I'll have to look into that. I know I only need two on the one side but for my diagram more was better. Also, by adding more it might pull the row of balls more to one side if that is needed.
 
So what do you think about my idea of using a ring magnet?
Do you think it will have the same affect?
 Would you have any pictures like that last one expressing the fields at the moment of impact?
Do you think it might even work if the balls are centered in the ring magnet?

I thought it was the kenetic energy the launched the ball and not any kind of magnetic field fluctuation.

Tim

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2008, 05:12:20 AM »
Are you picturing newtons balls (oops a pun)

http://fas.harvard.edu/~scidemos/NewtonianMechanics/NewtonsCradle/NewtonsCradle.html

maybe I misunderstood, as is my tendency,

but it would be similar to newtons cradle but with more friction so would come to rest quicker

??
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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2008, 05:41:36 AM »
... what about my idea of using a ring magnet?

Hello Tim,

I have no experience with ring magnets and the mentioned device.  My first thought is; the ring magnet would have interfering poles; but you may rule that out with experimentation.

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 03:15:03 AM »
Are you picturing newtons balls (oops a pun)

http://fas.harvard.edu/~scidemos/NewtonianMechanics/NewtonsCradle/NewtonsCradle.html

maybe I misunderstood, as is my tendency,

but it would be similar to newtons cradle but with more friction so would come to rest quicker

??
phonicboom,
 
It is exactly like Newtons cradle when referring to how it launches the ball on the right. However my "idea" is that if you can make the firing ball(for the lack of a better description) pass through the magnet after launching the ball on the right(referring to my graphics) then there is a chance of acceleration in the system. Because.....

When you would start the action you would slowly push the firing ball close to the left side of the ring magnet which would then attract it. Once the firing ball makes contact with the row of ball the newtons cradle effect happens launching the ball on the right. And then "if" after launching, all the balls shift/hang to the right the row of balls then return to their original configuration. However you now have the "launched" ball traveling around a loop track (for simplicity) and circling around back to the start with forward kinetic energy.

So now when the ball comes around it "theoretically" has kinetic energy as it enters the field of the magnet and is attracted back to the magnet. This adds the same amount of force to the ball as before but now instead of starting at a stopped position the ball is rolling in with kinetic energy thus adding more energy to the kinetic energy in the Newton's cradle effect.

Hopefully the ball launched from this cycle will have more then the last firing and amplify the affect in the system instead of decelerating.

So what needs to happen for this to possibly work is the fallowing:

1) The Newton's cradle effect has to work with the configuration using a ring magnet.

2) After firing, the row of ball bearings need to re-configure to the previous arrangement by themselves. (Tilting the track idea)

3) The launched ball needs to have enough energy to travel around/up enough to re-enter the magnets field from the opposite side with positive kinetic energy. (From the videos this should happen)

I think if the above it possible then it should work. I am ordering the parts to test these ideas. Anyone have any thoughts or comments? Am I assuming too much here?

Tim

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 03:36:00 AM »
i love the idea,

i see how the shift to center of all the other balls is essential as that is where the magnet adds to the newtons cradle system..

unfortunately i have nothing useful above that;

i think its ingenious

i think friction is the main killer

i watch with great interest if you can develop this :)

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 04:07:27 AM »
Thanks phonicboom. I think I should have everything by this weekend but we'll see. I hate this part where I have to wait for days to test something that will only take a few minutes.

So does anyone else have any input? Anything?

Tim

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 04:26:44 AM »
it seems this would be simple for a number of people in and around this forum to do a simple test for you to clear up your questions.

seems they are all busy playing with stators  :P


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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 08:46:21 AM »
To reload the system, the same energy/force has to be applied, which shot away the ball before (+friction). No OU. Propably even with the ramp it will not work, because the ring-magnet has to be strong enough to catch a ball from left. Such a strong magnet will not release the same ball easily without additional power. Kinetic energy won out of the down-hill must be compensated with a stronger magnet to carry up the ball again. the thing will stick without external power input! But why not try and learn - always a good possibility.

Offline nwman

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Re: Gaussian Gun Theory - need input.
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 09:22:40 PM »
Well, I just realized I did have enough stuff already to test the theory. Had to pick up a few things but I got the test done. Sad but obvious news. It doesn't work. The ball bearings will line up on one side but they won't shift down after it launches. They just build up on the firing side until the system balances out and then it stops launching. Bummer.

Tim

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2008, 11:02:25 AM »
thank you for the info. experiments always teach a lot. so even a non-working device is worth for investigation. theres no other way to success!

 

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