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Author Topic: DEBATE THREAD  (Read 106966 times)

Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #195 on: January 30, 2008, 05:23:50 AM »
The goofy dude here:


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Stephen_Hawking.StarChild.jpg/200px-Stephen_Hawking.StarChild.jpg)

wrote a runaway popular science bestseller A Brief History of Time.  I think he has sold over 10,000,000 copies so far.  I'm real certain a book written around the theme of a violation of the 1st Law would outstrip his sales.  He might have made 2 or 3 dollars per copy.

I personally could bring a book to market so fast your head would spin, Omni.  We could work on a 10-90 split unless you would prefer not to be soiled by filthy lucre.  Then we could do a 50-50 split and if you like you could donate you're 1/2 to charity.


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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #195 on: January 30, 2008, 05:23:50 AM »

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #196 on: January 30, 2008, 05:25:22 AM »
This is an absolute fact that everyone reading should be apprised of.  There is no proof of a violation of the 1st Law offered in any fashion by any degreed physicist in any peer-reviewed publication in the world at a level visible with the naked eye.  Not one.

Here is another fact.  Any physicist that had a cogent argument supporting any violation of CoE would (upon publishing such a proof) become a world renown physicist.

One final fact.  Any physicist claiming to have a proof yet refusing to publish is a liar.  There are a few corollaries to these facts.


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Nice "facts" that you've just established. You say "Any physicist" would become a world renown physicist in showing a violation of CoE. I disagree. Even if a physicist does discover a violation he will most likely stay quiet about it, releasing it would seriously risk his career and reputation, he will likely become a "crackpot".

"Any physicist claiming to have a proof yet refusing to publish is a liar"

You have already made the assumption that violation of CoE is completely impossible, since you are saying an actual proof is not possible.

You are clearly implying that a violation of CoE is absolutely impossible.  :o

Stop treating mainstream science as a religion.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #197 on: January 30, 2008, 05:27:12 AM »
Mathematics is derived from Phyicis or from the real world. Pure Maths basically contemplates theoretical posibilities.




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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #197 on: January 30, 2008, 05:27:12 AM »
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Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #198 on: January 30, 2008, 05:32:09 AM »
any point you want to make, make it, but don't give me reading assignments.  I have things to do.


Bessler007


Things are much more complicated than you present them. You should speak, for instance, with @Demosthenes fro Steorn forum to learn more.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #199 on: January 30, 2008, 05:36:08 AM »
I have things to do.

For the past two days you've consistently been trying to debunk the smot, without any evidence whatsoever(other than witty posts with pictures of disabled people).

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #199 on: January 30, 2008, 05:36:08 AM »
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Offline Bessler007

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #200 on: January 30, 2008, 06:15:41 AM »
I see I've made my point.  There should come a time in everyone's life when they face very hard decisions.  I don't deny those decisions exist.  It's next to impossible to make the right choice if you're gazing back to Egypt.  If you expect to make the right choice you need to focus on what should be rather than what was.

They say you shouldn't bet the farm.  Hell, I'll burn the mother down if I think it's the right thing to do.


Bessler007

edit:  anyone that would like to claim more than the inventor of the SIMPLE MAGNET OVER UNITY TOY is attempting to debunk the originator's claim.  The burden of proof is on them.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #201 on: January 30, 2008, 07:01:54 AM »
@Bessler,

I see that you are ignoring my earlier replies to your posts, you also don't seem to know what "over unity" means.

You are mistaken, the burden of proof is on you, because if you look carefully I haven't claimed anything. However, you have made countless claims, such as the impossibility of violation of CoE, and your holy "facts".

Look carefully, I have neither said that the smot is definitely provides free energy, nor did I say a looped smot was possible. The only point that I've made is that you cannot say a violation of CoE is impossible without proof. Of course I'm not saying that just because you have no proof that a smot is a free energy machine, I'm saying that such claims require proof.

So the burden of proof is not on me, it is on you

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #201 on: January 30, 2008, 07:01:54 AM »
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Offline PolyMatrix

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #202 on: January 30, 2008, 07:03:13 AM »
Talking of 'Any' physicist and proof we only need to look at the example of the announcement of 'Cold Fusion' reference: http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia:Cold_fusion and what happened historically there.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2008, 07:41:07 AM by PolyMatrix »

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #203 on: January 30, 2008, 07:18:05 AM »
Talking of 'Any' physicist and proof we only need to look at the example of the announcement of 'Cold Fusion' reference: http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia: Cold_fusion and what happened historically there.

Great find  8). That article is a perfect example of what I meant.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #203 on: January 30, 2008, 07:18:05 AM »
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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #204 on: January 30, 2008, 07:34:23 AM »
Hello Poly,

I don't mind addressing your comment.  Here is something you should realize.  The geeks that examine the world have quite a bit of fiscal clout.  In addition to that individual clout, they network with an incredible power.  Also, if you assess your personal ability to investigate, you have to admit it's no where near the ability of someone with a job at the jet propulsion lab or Cal Tech or MIT or any other research facility around the world.

Now I know for a fact people at those facilities bleed just like you do.  A very big difference is they have access to resources you most likely don't; not the lest of these being personal capital.  Now if there were anything to cold fusion don't you suppose these geeks would have capitalized on it?

Since I know some of those geeks I'd suggest they would.

Bessler007


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Talking of 'Any' physicist and proof we only need to look at the example of the announcement of 'Cold Fusion' reference: http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia: Cold_fusion and what happened historically there.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #205 on: January 30, 2008, 07:36:27 AM »
Hello Poly,

I don't mind addressing your comment.  Here is something you should realize.  The geeks that examine the world have quite a bit of fiscal clout.  In addition to that individual clout, they network with an incredible power.  Also, if you assess your personal ability to investigate, you have to admit it's no where near the ability of someone with a job at the jet propulsion lab or Cal Tech or MIT or any other research facility around the world.

Now I know for a fact people at those facilities bleed just like you do.  A very big difference is they have access to resources you most likely don't; not the lest of these being personal capital.  Now if there were anything to cold fusion don't you suppose these geeks would have capitalized on it?

Since I know some of those geeks I'd suggest they would.

Bessler007


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Talking of 'Any' physicist and proof we only need to look at the example of the announcement of 'Cold Fusion' reference: http://peswiki.com/energy/PowerPedia: Cold_fusion and what happened historically there.
Again, you're expressing a very naive view regarding the real situation in science.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #205 on: January 30, 2008, 07:36:27 AM »
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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #206 on: January 30, 2008, 07:53:08 AM »
@Bessler007

I just thought that it was common background noise to any discussion that prejudice and money affect the development of technology. Tessla v Westinghouse. Transputer v 8086 v 68000 microchips, VHS v Betamax, the technological best does not always win what is sold to the market.

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #207 on: January 30, 2008, 07:57:53 AM »
Hello Omni,

I do understand.  My understanding isn't naive.  Just like anyone else I have to pay to be here.  There really aren't any exceptions to that fact.

I am willing to bless you if you're willing.

PM me.


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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #208 on: January 30, 2008, 08:16:08 AM »
@Bessler007

Not that you are going to bother looking at the link but here is the news from January 2008 conference on Cold Fusion

http://www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm

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Re: DEBATE THREAD
« Reply #209 on: January 30, 2008, 08:26:59 AM »
Hello Poly,

I don't mind addressing your comment.  Here is something you should realize.  The geeks that examine the world have quite a bit of fiscal clout.  In addition to that individual clout, they network with an incredible power.  Also, if you assess your personal ability to investigate, you have to admit it's no where near the ability of someone with a job at the jet propulsion lab or Cal Tech or MIT or any other research facility around the world.

Now I know for a fact people at those facilities bleed just like you do.  A very big difference is they have access to resources you most likely don't; not the lest of these being personal capital.  Now if there were anything to cold fusion don't you suppose these geeks would have capitalized on it?

Since I know some of those geeks I'd suggest they would.

Bessler007

I find it amusing to read that you've been "in search of the supernatural mechanics that might cause perpetual motion for about 4 years" and then to read your posts here. If you are so convinced that mainstream science is so perfect, what are you doing here?

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you have to admit it's no where near the ability of someone with a job at the jet propulsion lab or Cal Tech or MIT or any other research facility around the world.

These people don't research free energy, if they did, perhaps they might find it.

 

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